does any one think the pro gains 100 pounds of snow after a ride

[Oregonsledder]

I find this topic very funny. When you can't find any real problems with the clear leader in the mountain market, you claim the top dog carries snow weight. Too funny!! Those boys are very desperate to find something to talk about other than their sled problems.

 

[RoffRider]

duct tape and a hair dryer...

 

[mt.aero]

12 gals of water is about 144 cubic ft of fluffy snow and close to 13.5 cubic ft of ice.

Think about these #s. Does anybody still really think the pro holds 100lbs of weight?

I won't claim to be a math wiz, but I don't think that math is right.

If someone can dispute my math, please do.

One cubic foot of water equals roughly 7.5 gallons of water and a gallon weighs 7.34 pounds. That means 100 lbs is equal to roughly 13.6 gallons which makes 1.8 cubic ft. Water only expands about 4% when its frozen, so thats only about 1.9 cubic ft of ice. Freshly fallen snow typically ranges from 5-20% water per given depth according to the USDA. So thats only 36-9 cubic ft of snow respectively. Spring snow is 20-40% water which is more like the stuff that is stuck to the sled. Thats down to about 4.5 cubic ft of snow. Its not quite as convincing as the other totals, but the sled would need to be pack to the brim

The short of it, 100 lbs = 13.6 gallons of water = 1.9 cubic ft of ice = 9 to 36 cubic ft. of powder snow = 4.5 to 9 cubic ft of spring snow

 

[stormrider3]

Any specific measures you could suggest? Thanks.

Spray the major collection areas with silicon spray before you leave home. Lasts about one good ride, and it's easy to do..

 

[mtncat1]

I find this topic very funny. When you can't find any real problems with the clear leader in the mountain market, you claim the top dog carries snow weight. Too funny!! Those boys are very desperate to find something to talk about other than their sled problems.

you hit the nail right on the head

 

[2Quickrides]

Average weight of damp snow is around 15 lbs per cubic foot.

So the question is, can you see a pro holding onto roughly 7 cubic feet of snow? Or better yet, can you see one holding an extra 3.5 cubic feet over the cat?

On the wettest day last year I had a TON of snow and ice buildup on my 03 RMK 159 that I chipped at for half an hour (no floor drain in the garage), there was probably 50 lbs there, but I'd have a hard time even imagining double that being possible on any sled.....

 

[prorideupper800]

Snow Build up on Pro's

This is my second Pro 155 I would say more like 20lbs depending on snow conditions.

 

[Bocephus]

I won't claim to be a math wiz, but I don't think that math is right.

If someone can dispute my math, please do.

One cubic foot of water equals roughly 7.5 gallons of water and a gallon weighs 7.34 pounds. That means 100 lbs is equal to roughly 13.6 gallons which makes 1.8 cubic ft. Water only expands about 4% when its frozen, so thats only about 1.9 cubic ft of ice. Freshly fallen snow typically ranges from 5-20% water per given depth according to the USDA. So thats only 36-9 cubic ft of snow respectively. Spring snow is 20-40% water which is more like the stuff that is stuck to the sled. Thats down to about 4.5 cubic ft of snow. Its not quite as convincing as the other totals, but the sled would need to be pack to the brim

The short of it, 100 lbs = 13.6 gallons of water = 1.9 cubic ft of ice = 9 to 36 cubic ft. of powder snow = 4.5 to 9 cubic ft of spring snow

redo your math. the general weight used for a gallon of water is 8.34 pounds

 

[LoudHandle]

I came up with slight variations using Siri to search for the data and conversions

One cubic foot of water equals roughly 7.48 gallons of water and a gallon weighs 8.35 pounds. That means 100 lbs is equal to roughly 11.97 gallons which makes 1.6 cubic ft. Water only expands about 9-10% when its frozen, so thats only about 1.76 cubic ft of ice. Spring snow is 20-40% water which is more like the stuff that is stuck to the sled. Thats 3.872 cubic ft of snow at 40% water content. Its not quite as convincing as the other totals, but the sled would need to be packed to the brim

The short of it, 100 lbs = 11.97 gallons of water = 1.6 cubic ft of ice =3.872 cubic ft of the wettest spring snow

Which may well happen if the rear suspension was full, if the PRO's rear suspension is full then so are the other three brands, so bull sh!t is called on the Cat video. As it was not spring time and the only way for that kind of disparity to occur is to fill the rear suspension with snow and then park it in a creek for a few seconds to fully saturate the snow. Again if they did this to the PRO and not the others then it is not an apples to apples test and the results are rigged and bogus.

They all can benefit from some thought and keeping the snow from sticking, melting, and freezing anywhere. No manufacture has the magic bullet in this arena.

 

[Solby]

I call BS on that video. Last two seasons were on an AC PCM8. I rode a friends 13 pro and buried it really deep going up a hill. I easily lifted it up and rolled it over, way easier than expected and that sled was completely covered in snow. It felt 100 lbs lighter than my cat.

 

[snomac]

Well I think this is awesome news. We all know how awesome the Pro is already. So now if we put a little effort into shedding a little snow, it's going to be even that much better. SWEET!

 

[waxer]

12 gals of water is about 144 cubic ft of fluffy snow and close to 13.5 cubic ft of ice.

Think about these #s. Does anybody still really think the pro holds 100lbs of weight?

No!!!!!!!!

 

[nuggetau]

spray inside of tunnel with good ol john deere graphite, bam snow no stick

https://jdparts.deere.com/partsmkt/document/english/pmac/6454_fb_GraphiteLubricants.htm

Can you see this product (visible) after application? I would love to see this product applied to one side of the tunnel (outside) and one side left untreated, do a days ride and then take photos....... hint, hint

 

[nuggetau]

Go buy a product called Never Wet from Home Depot. Water will not stick to it at all. It is hydrophobic. Look it up on Youtube. Its cool stuff. It does dry with a light frosty color but on bare aluminum who cares right. It will rub off with time and use but might be a good cure to the snow build up.

If you or anyone has some of this please post a pic showing it applied to aluminum. Thanks

 

[Reg2view]

Jeez guys, it's called negative marketing, the source of this spin is AC, for god's sake. You can keep your plan, too, if you like it. Period.

Cat's not gonna say that the $10M invested in a single universal chassis originally designed for trail 4 strokes made the new M 50lbs heavier than a Pro. Scales only lie when marketing or lawyers are looking at them.

 

[meathooker]

i'd like to try this stuff:

http://betweenthelinesdesigns.com/?page_id=480


seems like spraying inside of the tunnel would be the ticket

 

[CO 2.0]

Here are some previous posts of mine on SW:

To those thinking of using Never Wet... I have Never Wet AND Ultra ever dry. By using both on stuff it seems they are a VERY similar product. The ultra ever dry goes on more even than the Never Wet because you spray it out of a gun not a rattle can. After a few rides and a few times shoveling the driveway, the stuff didn't work hardly at all, but the ugly white haze still remained (plastic and aluminum). Works great on water and such, but not on snow/ice and the abrasive nature of it.

Another...
I wasn't as impressed with the Ultra Ever Dry on my sled. All the metal parts on my M8 I sprayed still got ice to stick to them. Took longer, and ice didn't stick as hard to it as my buddies M1000, but still iced up and held it. Under the tunnel, top of the tunnel, airframes, steering, suspension, rails, all still got ice buildup. It actually worked much better on plastic parts. Maybe cause they weren't as cold as the metal parts? Who knows. It held up and shed snow pretty well off the rear flap, the front nose cone inside the front bumper, the whole area I sprayed behind the windshield by the steering post. Didn't do too much for the tops of the skis, but they were under snow all day.

So is this stuff a miracle for us sledders? No, at least not what we all had hoped for.

 

[nuggetau]

i'd like to try this stuff:

http://betweenthelinesdesigns.com/?page_id=480


seems like spraying inside of the tunnel would be the ticket

Maybe the guys at BTL can chime in to tell us if this is simply a hydrophobic application or something else.

 

[nuggetau]

Here are some previous posts of mine on SW:

To those thinking of using Never Wet... I have Never Wet AND Ultra ever dry. By using both on stuff it seems they are a VERY similar product. The ultra ever dry goes on more even than the Never Wet because you spray it out of a gun not a rattle can. After a few rides and a few times shoveling the driveway, the stuff didn't work hardly at all, but the ugly white haze still remained (plastic and aluminum). Works great on water and such, but not on snow/ice and the abrasive nature of it.

Another...
I wasn't as impressed with the Ultra Ever Dry on my sled. All the metal parts on my M8 I sprayed still got ice to stick to them. Took longer, and ice didn't stick as hard to it as my buddies M1000, but still iced up and held it. Under the tunnel, top of the tunnel, airframes, steering, suspension, rails, all still got ice buildup. It actually worked much better on plastic parts. Maybe cause they weren't as cold as the metal parts? Who knows. It held up and shed snow pretty well off the rear flap, the front nose cone inside the front bumper, the whole area I sprayed behind the windshield by the steering post. Didn't do too much for the tops of the skis, but they were under snow all day.

So is this stuff a miracle for us sledders? No, at least not what we all had hoped for.

Thanks, that is the first hand experience I was looking for!

 

[cateye5312]

12 gals of water is about 144 cubic ft of fluffy snow and close to 13.5 cubic ft of ice.

Think about these #s. Does anybody still really think the pro holds 100lbs of weight?

NOPE

'nuff said