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Diesel nears the $5.00 dollar mark and most likely a way of life

if you didn't have salesmen pushing morgages on people who couldn't afford it our economy wouldn't be in the dumps right now-

Ok...I have a 760+ credit score...all bills are current..have $100,000+ equity in home/property....I can go buy a BRAND NEW F-450 KING RANCH all BLACK add a lift kit..$5000 in 22" wheels and tires..new exhaust...intake system...bomb it...tint the windows....AMP retracting step bars...etc..in other words about a $70,000 truck...trade my MEGA cab in (paid for) as a down payment and drive off the lot with a $40,000 truck payment for my NEW KICK A$$ TRUCK....

NOW for the whiners in the group....

I default on the loan and it gets REPO'd...my credit gets hit...I lose my ride..I have NO wheels now...ITS that DARN salesman..its HIS fault for PUSHING that truck on ME..he should have know I couldnt pay for it...

NOW for the SMART people in the group...

I keep my PAID FOR TRUCK and dont have ANY problems...

SORRY Darko..I used common sense too..LOL-BJ
 
payed $4.64 for Diesel and $4.09 for super, filled the truck and one sled and it came to just under $200 bucks,,, not including oil and food for the day,

most people with a family of four wont be riding much next winter at these prices!!!!!
 
nope, family of four here :(

anyone wanna buy a slightly used never abused never wrecked 07 M8 with a few goodies on it?

let it go pretty reasonable.

Might be seeing lots of these posts. Or lots a guys car pooling and cramming the truck full.
 
What have I done because of fuel prices.

Bought a bike 3 years ago for summer time commuting.
Slowed from 75+ to 60ish
Ditched the 7mpg gasser for a 14mpg diesel
Sold the trailer and bought a sled deck
Countless hours of time spent on the computer researching WMO, WVO and biodiesel.
Bought a Mercedes benz turbo diesel
Starting to build a biodiesel processor and find sources for WVO

So in the time span of 4 years in this sport, I am still spending more on fuel than I used to even though I have made lots of positive changes in consumption.

I have evolved. I used to have to drive something with more than normal horsepower. I have owned more big block V-8's than any other engine all combined. No more. The only big block I have left is in the shop on the floor.


I sure like the looks of CNG. A purpose built(not converted) engine running CNG will make lots of HP. Any one remember the Charger concept vehicle?:D
 
I sure like the looks of CNG. A purpose built(not converted) engine running CNG will make lots of HP. Any one remember the Charger concept vehicle?:D[/QUOTE]

You just can't stay away can you! What would cause the conversion for CNG not make as much HP, would that be the only draw back?
 
Ok...I have a 760+ credit score...all bills are current..have $100,000+ equity in home/property....I can go buy a BRAND NEW F-450 KING RANCH all BLACK add a lift kit..$5000 in 22" wheels and tires..new exhaust...intake system...bomb it...tint the windows....AMP retracting step bars...etc..in other words about a $70,000 truck...trade my MEGA cab in (paid for) as a down payment and drive off the lot with a $40,000 truck payment for my NEW KICK A$$ TRUCK....

NOW for the whiners in the group....

I default on the loan and it gets REPO'd...my credit gets hit...I lose my ride..I have NO wheels now...ITS that DARN salesman..its HIS fault for PUSHING that truck on ME..he should have know I couldnt pay for it...

NOW for the SMART people in the group...

I keep my PAID FOR TRUCK and dont have ANY problems...

SORRY Darko..I used common sense too..LOL-BJ

That is a great argument, only problem is we are on the same ship as all those who are defaulting. Our money is tied up in the same institutions. So when they go down we all go down.... We get the shaft no matter what happens.

Oh, and comparing a 5 year loan on a 40k truck to a 30 year mortgage on a 300k house? Quite a stretch, same principles yes, but the effect of messing up the load on the house is much more troublesome than on the truck.....
 
cost of energy

i paid 4.29 for diesel yesterday. sucks watching the meter spin up to 140$ in a flash. its really easy to hate the oil companies on this. there are several things causing what we are all seeing right now. the futures market determines the price. its just that simple. causes of what we are seeing are:

-current energy policy
-devaluation of the dollar, oil is traded in USD. part of the problem is that our money is buying less.
-food for fuel, i.e. corn ethanol
-current monetary policy
-the information age
-investment, investment, investment.
-deficit

corn ethanol and monetary policy are the main culprits. there are several factors at work here. it actually gets very complex when you think about all of it.

lets start with monetary policy from the federal reserve. they want to keep things rolling. so interest stays very low. too low. they are trying to prevent a market collapse. why is this important? if anyone followed what happenend with the bear stearns implosion, the company essentally had 8 billiion dollars in a week evaporate because of a rumor and everyone pulled out. they took some very risky positions on derivatives. they were bought for 200-300 million if i remeber right.............. just the skyscraper that they reside in is worth 1 billion...........food for thought...... back to the main point. nearly everyone who works has a ROTH IRA or a 401K plan of some kind right? where does all this money go? it eventually goes to investment funds like bear stearns, prudential, goldman sachs just to name a few. to make the system work they need to earn a yeild right? this is the core of the investment driven economy. what happens if it fails? every joe lunchbucket in town could lose his retirement. now that is a very very very big problem.

now back to oil and commodities. currency is a loser right now. right? so what do investment funds do to try to obtain yeild to keep it all going? they invest elsewhere. that happens to be in oil, commodities, precious metals, and farm realestate right now. i just saw a farm get bought for 6k per acre. that same farm in 98' was worth 650$ per acre. crazy huh.

oil is a good bet because the perception is that it will go higher. so more investors buy oil futures. that in turn drives the pricing up.

same thing is happeing with corn futures. that in turn affects all other commodites. barley, wheat, canola, etc.......

also with gold, silver and other precious metals.

and to cap it all of the new Tier III emission standard consumes more energy. ask anyone who owns or operates anything that is Tier III.

Big John is 100% correct about the whole E85 sham. there are so many logistical issues with it. there is less energy per gallon once burned. so it takes more to do the same work.
-you cant pipe line ethanol fuels like traditional petroleum products because the ethanol blends with the water block used to serperate shipments in the line. there for it has to be transported everywhere. unless you had a dedicated line.
-plus the corn and energy it takes to produce ethanol.
-back on logistics, you see all of these ethanol plants popping up everywhere. a small one can take 100 train cars of corn per week. at about 100 tons per car. you also have to unload the train. that takes about 24 hrs. so now you have a train thats about 1.5 miles long thats gonna sit on the tracks to unload corn in the middle of town.......

i work regularly with a company that actually has seats on the CME (chicago mercantile exchange) their analysts say as long as corn ethanol is in the game, expect to see what your seeing now to continue. they arent' anticpating any governement policy shift in at least a year and a half. maybe more. wait till all of the guys who bought grain contracts for 10-18$ per bushel send their product to market this fall. everyone will have a whole new defintion of expensive in the grocery store.

i encourage anyone and everyone to visit the CME sometime. we all get to live and die by the paper trade.......:face-icon-small-fro. thats what determines the price of gas at your local pump. some hedge fund guy on a trading floor somewhere. they never see a barrel of oil. they never touch a bushel of corn. they never touch a barrel of cheese. its all a paper trade.

so whats wrong with it? well........it is the greatest system on earth. but, its just paper. a very small percentge of what gets traded on paper actually gets delivered to the buyer. meaning the guys who trades oil futures, doesnt actually touch the oil. he trades paper and numbers on a big digital bill board on the floor.

so how do we fix all of this? i dont know.........lol..... i have some ideas. as long as this endless money perception continues and we still have career politcians, i dont know that we can fix it. dumping corn ethanol and telling the EPA to get F'ed would be a start. let the freee market develop the solutions. the government buerecrats/career lawyers dont get it. but they would like us to think they do.

anyone ever actually talk to people in congress? it will really shake your faith in their ability if you do....
 
this would be a great idea if there wasnt just a few gas stations in our town and they all get there gas from the same suplier. I have slowed down and make less frequent trips to town but when i have a broken leg and have to go to pt 3 times a week it sucks. I boughht a car that gets 25 to 30 mpg instad of my pickup that gets 12 .


I want to share an email I received from a quy at work. Could it really work?


Subject: Dropping Gas Prices

THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU
HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.30 PER GALLON.



This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one
of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired
of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer,
take time to read this please.



Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain
day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!

I h ear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer,
and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down?

We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies
just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for
them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2.00 is
super cheap. Me too! It is currently $3.19 for regular unleaded in my
town.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we
need to t ake aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
marketplace..not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
need to take action.

The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if
we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we
can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.

But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to
force a price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY
gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and
MOBIL.

If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce
their prices.

If they reduce t heir prices, the other companies will have to
follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out
on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to
reach millions of people!

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at
least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) .. and those 300 send it to at least
ten more (300 x10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches
the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers.

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED
MILLION PEOPLE!!!

; Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!

(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you
have to do is send this to 10 people... Well, let's face it, you just
aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out
to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people
could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days !!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did
you!

Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest
that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE
$2.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.



Keep it going!!!
 
I understand what your all saying about the ethanal. But deisel fuel is the highest is has been so it takes more for the truckers to get it to the store. Most of the time the trucker puts on a sur charge which inturn the grocery store has to pay more for the same product they did three or four years ago. The grocery stores dont want to loose money so they raise the prices of there products to over come the sur charge the truckers charge. I reall think that is the main reason that the products in a grocery store or a big box store or whatever are going up. Not just because the price of our corn, and beans, and wheat have gone up. All our inputs have went up atleast doubled right along with the good prices of our comodities. Farmers are maken money just like everyone else in the world, but no one realizes that we put close to a million or more dollars a year into our crops and cattle to maeby make fifty thousand profit. Farming and Ranching is a high risk business and it is not for everyone. I know i will get a lot of **** for this post but it is how i think. I dont care who is in office as long as they do a good job for every not just themselves and there imidate freinds, and most of the time they forget about all the people that elected them.
 
we need to start mining operations on the moon and mars .... that way we can sustain ourselves there and start shipping mass quantities of people off into outer space or something :)
 


great link veedy. the situation in russia has been on going for quite a while now. the entire engergy situation here in north america is very complex. alot more complex than most people realize. russia has a serious problem with inflation right now........lol... i guess we do too huh.........but anyhow the russian government is still just as corrupt as they once were. they are short of money. and unfortunately, alot of their investment capital for future energy exploration is going to come from weapons sales....... :( that should be a nice feeling. no ones buying their cars........ weapons and vodka are about all they have..........:eek:

same with mexico. i've been there and i have to tell you all. corupt doesnt even begin to describe it. money buys you everything there. power, life, safety you name it.

as much as i hate to say this, i almost hope things get really bad. its the only way things will change with u.s. government.

another interesting bit of info. (i dont want to turn this into a for or against the war debate, just simple facts) oil production in Iraq has not been restored to pre-invasion levels of 6 years ago.............. it kinda makes you wonder doesnt it.

we either need more oil or consume less. current federal energy policy doesnt encourage conservation. no reduction in interstate speeds and Tier III emissions are proof of that .

as far as history goes. that last time we had this kind of situation. massive military spending domestically was what fixed it. good ol' reganomics. however, that wont work this time. its far more complex than generating growth. as long as we have the kind of deficit we have with china and india, they will continue to spend it. and compete for resources at the same time.

what i dont understand is the oil situation here in the states. i have several buddies that work in the oil/energy business. one of them is a member on here. they develop wells and then cap them..............and have been for a while. one guy i know worked for haliburton in the 90's. the other works for them currently and the other with a different company. they all have the same story. drill, develop, cap............why is that?
 
alot of drill/cap deals are for proved reserves to make their stock portfolio look good, they don't need to produce it, they just need to prove it is there so they look good for someone to buy them, also they don't want to overproduce as to drive the price down but the bosses want it there if they start to underproduce and need to hook it up. eastern mt. has the problem of nowhere to go, all that bakken oil production and the pipes are full, gettin a pipeline aproved and installed takes time, they talk of a refinery in sd to take care of it, greenies won't let that happen:mad:
 
That is a great argument, only problem is we are on the same ship as all those who are defaulting. Our money is tied up in the same institutions. So when they go down we all go down.... We get the shaft no matter what happens.

Oh, and comparing a 5 year loan on a 40k truck to a 30 year mortgage on a 300k house? Quite a stretch, same principles yes, but the effect of messing up the load on the house is much more troublesome than on the truck.....

I was trying to explain the principles...not the mathematics....some guys even blame the gun for killing vs the NUT BAG pulling the trigger...NOW thats a stretch...LOL-BJ
 
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