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smokenjay
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I haven't worked a friday in years. I dont care about the gas savings. It makes your life better.
Diesel nears the $5.00 dollar mark and most likely a way of life
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I haven't worked a friday in years. I dont care about the gas savings. It makes your life better.
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CBX
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your 100% correct. the defense industry is a very large part of the U.S. economy. you guys should see some of the DOD contracts that have happend in the last year or two. defense is one of the few things that everyone in congress agrees on. because when you build a fighter jet, or a tank, or ship you get to have alot of people involved. look at the raptor program. something like 20+ states involved with different manufactures, consulting, testing, etc, etc.
i guess my point was who they (russia) would sell weapons to help generate more capital for energy expansion. unfortunately, DOD policy here for a while seems to encourage arming the arabs. we get to sell them guns, planes, ordinance and ammo for all of the petro revenue they have. but, some day this honeymoon is gonna end. and i'll bet we wish we hadn't sold them all those weapons. it will come back to haunt us. even this whole deal with selling armament to the new iraqi gov. what ya all wanna bet all that stuff will get shot back at us a some point? it kinda happend already with afganistan. we trained them boys way back when to fight the soviets. look at were that took us now.....
i was talking with local fuel distributor this morning and he recomended that we stock up on diesel fuel for the rest of the farm season. he said they are expecting things to get much uglier come fall.
yay...........Well, that was 2005. The price here in Sweden for regular is today around US$8.23 per USgallon and diesel a few percent more.
Still worth it, by a margin - so I guess you can call it cheap.
And you complain about gas prices...
A Yamaha Apex cost close to US$25 000, so the price of gas is maybe not the worst problem...
I used to have a government job about 8 years ago ... Working for the State of Wyoming.
There were literally entire weeks all I would do was web browse....literally. The DMV looks roughly 1/8th as productuve as the department/division I worked for too
My sentiments exactly.
it is truely amazing how ignorant people are.
the country has voted for these fools in congress, nobody is willing to tell the not in my backyard crowd that they are the cause of high prices.
We can bring oil prices down, all we have to do is open up the USA's vast oil fields that are off limits because of greenies, and supply will go up prices down.
you can blame the oil companies all you want, and nothing will change as usual.
we have to Quit blaming the Corporations, and put the blame where it belongs, with the american people. we allowed all the envirnmental madness to build and build, giving in to the nonsence. We need to fight, not give in to BS.
Keep blaming the successful, and all you will be is more bitter and angry.
when demand is high and supply is low prices go up.
when we drill for oil in our own country, we could flood the market with new jobs, and more oil to bring prices down. Its the only way.
just my rant.
I'm curious as to your source on these figures?
Is corn based ethanol the end all?
I really doubt it.
Will it help us gain the technology to efficiently produce ethanol from cellulose sources (grasses, stover etc)?
Absolutely!!!!
Ethanol is here to stay.
You naysayers can take that to the bank.
I believe it is still in it's infancy.
The direction it grows will be interesting & exciting.
If we are gonna subsidize ethanol, it should not be on all ready subsidized crops. Or on biomass that will be bad for wildlife, and the environment. So corn I say no, but switchgrass, etc yes. And definitly we should be going hard core on Algea, that I think is the best choice.
Our GDP(ppp) per capita is about 80% of USA:s, $36 900 compared to $46 000 and I would say that an average income, if you work full time, is about $50 000 a year. But we also have the world's highest taxes with a little over 50% of GDP, so I'd guess that I spend about 15% of my income after tax on gas.blah blah blah.... Now tell us what you earn in US prices.
My wife thinks it's a great idea and well spent money...
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DallanC
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Last numbers I could find where for 2002. An average salary then was a mere $36,764. If you are making 50k a year you are doing well. Course it depends on where you live too, some areas are more expensive than others. But across the US, just under 37k is the average.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20040518.html
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onlyrotax
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Al Gore-------oil man ???????
The last I heard, a few years ago when Al GORE first started on his current rant it was reported that the Gore family fortune was heavily invested in " BIG OIL", Occidental Petroleum I believe or maybe it was British Petroleum. Gee I guess maybe Al is not as dumb as we thought huh, talk about a HYPOCRITE !!!!!
The last I heard, a few years ago when Al GORE first started on his current rant it was reported that the Gore family fortune was heavily invested in " BIG OIL", Occidental Petroleum I believe or maybe it was British Petroleum. Gee I guess maybe Al is not as dumb as we thought huh, talk about a HYPOCRITE !!!!!
That guy is the epitome of a hippocrit ...
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sonday_2
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What you all complaining about i'm paying $6.11 a gal with taxes expecting to go up in the summer. For VES gold $16.00 - $25.00 a quart. Hearing on news that people talking about unleaded being high. For diesel is like $ 5.26 with taxes. Now thats some high price stuff there. I thought the thread was about high prices not wifes,woman,and kids.
expecting to go up in the summer. For VES gold $16.00 - $25.00 a quart. Hearing on news that people talking about unleaded being high. For diesel is like $ 5.26 with taxes. Now thats some high price stuff there. I thought the thread was about high prices not wifes,woman,and kids.Hey guys! Must say that you are one lucky people to have THAT CHEAP gas/diesel in your continent!!
Here is one example of living in Europe (Finland, where I am).. GAS is 1.50euros per LITER!! So it makes about 2.32106 USD
1 gal = 3.79 liter
So you would pay like $8.7968174 per Gallon!
and that is only gas. Diesel next.
Liter for diesel is 1.29euros = 1.99637 USD and it would make like $7.5662423 per gallon!
Anyone like to switch places with me? (also it is illegal to ride off trails over here, seems like that trespassing is related to murder or bank robbery if you are caught by police.. and so on..)
Also pick up truck like you guys ride, costs arount 60-90000euros = 92-$139000...
So quit whining and post some nice powder riding pictures for us less fortunate!!! 
Here is one example of living in Europe (Finland, where I am).. GAS is 1.50euros per LITER!! So it makes about 2.32106 USD
1 gal = 3.79 liter
So you would pay like $8.7968174 per Gallon!
and that is only gas. Diesel next.
Liter for diesel is 1.29euros = 1.99637 USD and it would make like $7.5662423 per gallon!
Anyone like to switch places with me?
(also it is illegal to ride off trails over here, seems like that trespassing is related to murder or bank robbery if you are caught by police.. and so on..)Also pick up truck like you guys ride, costs arount 60-90000euros = 92-$139000...
So quit whining and post some nice powder riding pictures for us less fortunate!!!
Hey guys! Must say that you are one lucky people to have THAT CHEAP gas/diesel in your continent!!
Here is one example of living in Europe (Finland, where I am).. GAS is 1.50euros per LITER!! So it makes about 2.32106 USD
1 gal = 3.79 liter
So you would pay like $8.7968174 per Gallon!
and that is only gas. Diesel next.
Liter for diesel is 1.29euros = 1.99637 USD and it would make like $7.5662423 per gallon!
Anyone like to switch places with me?
Also pick up truck like you guys ride, costs arount 60-90000euros = 92-$139000...
So quit whining and post some nice powder riding pictures for us less fortunate!!!
Wow.
That puts things in perspective.
What kind of average annual income are you seeing over there?
Finland average saleries
Look here
http://www.worldsalaries.org/finland.shtml
Guess we don't have it AS bad, but we are use to much less prices.
I don't thing the average person makes as much here as they do over there though.
Look here
http://www.worldsalaries.org/finland.shtml
Guess we don't have it AS bad, but we are use to much less prices.
I don't thing the average person makes as much here as they do over there though.
Sit through this for a while and then fume some more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
The dude working in Prudhoe Bay is right. Oil comes up at $3.00/bbl cost and billions of cubic feet of NG goes back down. We are being manipulated and that is the bottom line.
If you tow about 30% (boats in the summer, sleds in the winter) of the time with your diesel PU, you can show that it pays off in a total of 100,000 miles if you compare the consumption rates to your previously owned gasser.
If you really want to sled, you will find a way. It will probably at a reduced frequency than before, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
The dude working in Prudhoe Bay is right. Oil comes up at $3.00/bbl cost and billions of cubic feet of NG goes back down. We are being manipulated and that is the bottom line.
If you tow about 30% (boats in the summer, sleds in the winter) of the time with your diesel PU, you can show that it pays off in a total of 100,000 miles if you compare the consumption rates to your previously owned gasser.
If you really want to sled, you will find a way. It will probably at a reduced frequency than before, though.
It's beginning to get a little OT, but $50000 was my estimate before tax and including everyone, from the young girl at McDonald's to the CEO of Ericsson, but it seems I was wrong, as it is closer to $40 000: http://www.worldsalaries.org/sweden.shtml
Our net yearly income is apparently $1383x12=$16 596 : http://www.worldsalaries.org/allsectors.shtml
Or was, 2005.
It's amazing how low your gas prices are, so it sounds a little strange to hear you complain about them, but as always, it's the change that hurts the most. If you're used to low prices and they suddenly doubles, you don't get that much happier just because the prices are even higher in other places...
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