Diesel nears the $5.00 dollar mark and most likely a way of life

[travydog]

if it was just suply and demand why hasnt it leveled out? I think ther eis enuf people trying ot cut bac or cutting back that is should make a diference. There cant be that many more drivers every month that it goes up every day or every other day. I think there is something else driven the prices up and it is plain old greed. why havent they put more money back in to there refinerys or trying to get more going or helping find more alternitives or makeing cars better. Why is it when they need to do repairs it seems like they have to shut every one down to fix it so then it makes les demand. A report that came out of north dakota said they take out only 10 percent of the total oil when they drill a new well why not move that up to twenty or thirty percent ? I dont have a answer to any of my questions or know how to get the price of feul to come down, but every one has alot of questions about it and no one ever gets any answers

 

[modsledr]

.....Ok Mr know it all Rt wing talking point guy let's look at some of the choices that Bush made that might affect the price of oil.

In the early run up on oil prices he decided to dump more oil into the strategic reserve-less supply=higher prices. Bush didn't dump MORE in, he chose not to take any out

No energy policy for most of his presidency other than the secret one with Cheney and all their oil executive buddies.if its secret, how do you know about it

Invade a top producing oil country and knock their supply off the market-less oil=higher price. the recent run up in price has come at a time when Iraq exports to the U.S. INCREASED from 325 thousand barrels/day at the start of '07, to 780 thousand barrels/day now. Since overthrowing Saddam and getting production going again, it has increased exponentially every year

Threaten Iran, another oil producer- price goes up again. Iran is not even in the top 15 oil supplier to the U.S.

Let's not forget the their ploys at overthrowing Chavez, another oil rich country. Chavez has threatened, but has not reduced supply to the U.S.

So now you are not for a totally free market? You want some regulation? I agree- lots of people borrowed way over their heads and deserve to lose their a$$ for doing so. So tell me what's wrong with a little regulation in lending practices? Sure the market will correct but if you didn't have salesmen pushing morgages on people who couldn't afford it our economy wouldn't be in the dumps right now. Or as a free market guy would you rather have the huge swings?

See comments in red...not bashing you, we are all entitled to our opinions, it's what makes the U.S. great. But, your ideas reek of conspiracy theory...you give Bush WAY too much credit.


travydog, the increase in demand is not just from this country, but other developing nations like China, Russia, Taiwan, etc...and even though there has been a push in this country to conserve, our petroleum use continues to rise every year (remember, gas represents only about 50% of petro production). Prices will continue to rise until we reach a breaking point where the consumer reduces demand.

my2c
modsledr

 

[xrated]

if you didn't have salesmen pushing morgages on people who couldn't afford it our economy wouldn't be in the dumps right now-do you want the government you wipe your ace when you get the beer chits too?

The reason the oil comps don't put money into refineries, might have something to do with all the greenies/dems and getting production of new refineries stopped.

 

[duke1n]

I'm not thrilled with either party so you're off base again. It would take more time than I care to waste to debunk everything you've asserted so instead I'll just ask you if you think that electi g Hill or Obama and withdrawing from Iraq will bring oil prices down?

Since you can make more money in Ven Joe, you should go. Take your family as well and put them in public education I mean your views are simplistic and do not begin to address the obvious disparities in the two countries. Have ever been to a third world country?

 

[TS Drag Racer]

if you didn't have salesmen pushing morgages on people who couldn't afford it our economy wouldn't be in the dumps right now-do you want the government you wipe your ace when you get the beer chits too?

The reason the oil comps don't put money into refineries, might have something to do with all the greenies/dems and getting production of new refineries stopped.

You hit the nail right on the head. The Liberal tards and Greenies blocking new refineries is a huge part of it. We have enough supply to run this country for dozens of years, just can't refine it or seem to be able to get anything done drilling it! Until we stop relying so much on other countries for our supply, I'm afraid were SCREWED!!

 

[astro]

You hit the nail right on the head. The Liberal tards and Greenies blocking new refineries is a huge part of it. We have enough supply to run this country for dozens of years, just can't refine it or seem to be able to get anything done drilling it! Until we stop relying so much on other countries for our supply, I'm afraid were SCREWED!!

Why would the oil companies want to spend billions of dollars on a new refinery to lower the price of their product? That's the free market that Duke1n loves! Shell even tried to decomisson a refinery outside Bakerfield, Ca a few years ago even though it was showing a profit and they had several offers to buy it. The outcry of pissed off people forced them to sell it instead of decomissioning it. It's no conspiracy theory, it's just business-remove supply and the price goes up, every business wants to make more money. These days though all you do is hint at a shortfall and the commodities traders push the price up even before any shortage if any is seen in the marketplace. Look at today's news-Oil Spikes on Report US Ship Fired on Iranian Vessel- AP. Hey Duke, politics have no effect on oil prices right?

If they were going to build one(refinery) it's not just the greens and liberals that would fight it, nobody wants a refinery to move into their backyard. There are lots of red states and I don't see any of them asking for a refinery.

 

[Goin For Snow]

Uhm, you might want to look at the futures market. I don't like the damn jihad bas tards either, but this isn't all them...

soooooo true

 

[duke1n]

Hey Duke, politics have no effect on oil prices right?

When did I say that? In fact I stated that both parties are playing to their constituents by doing nothing as demand out paces production. Big oil doesn't mind it, they make higher profits by charging more. The left likes it even more as they look forward to consumers cutting back and reducing consumption. If you are suggesting that because Bush is Pres we have a fleet in the gulf and he phoned them and said to fire on an Iranian ship so oil prices would spike today... well probably not lol

I'm still waiting for you to explain how the wealthy benefit from the destruction of the middle class? Define middle class why you're at it if you would...

 

[Ridersride]

4.86 for one gal of Dez .. Its over

 

[duke1n]

Is anyone familar with the term inflation? Do you expect a little raise each year? Are you hacked at your boss if you don't see a bump in the paycheck?

 

[Diesel99]

Iraq is also pulling in a huge surplus in Oil revenues and banking it for future generations while we are spending billions on fighting a war over there.
Sadly our Country is run by a bunch of crooks period and one day the masses will wake up. Bring on the pitchforks.

 

[BIG JOHN]

umm one thing a couple guys kinda missed in the mortagage fiasco...YOU guys state we need to be regulated more???

DOES FREDDY MAC/FANNY MAY ring a bell...it was GOVERNMENT REGS THAT GAVE THE CONSUMER LOW INTEREST LOANS USING NON-CONFORMING FORMULAS...

as in a bartender can "claim" a $150,000 income to afford a $3000 a month mortage payment...whos fault is that??

riding the housing market bubble was gamble...there was going to be an end to this...BUT some people just cant see past there noses...2-3 year arms..interest only...refi in 2 years when my house gains 10-15% equity...bla bla bla...role the dice...

I FEEL for the people that LOST jobs, had an illness or some major catastrophy to limit there income to pay there bills...the REST.... LOL- YOU GAMBLED AND LOST!!!! buck up Charlie...and dont come crying to me to bail your un-educated a$$ out...there is about 50-100 pieces of paper in the average mortgage and alot is in lawyer speak and lender speak...if you DONT know how/why you got a loan..then you shouldnt whine if you cant pay for it...or worse yet...ask me too

as for oil...thats a bigger mess no doubt and most havent a clue how it operates... just remember one thing...if pizza prices doubled in 2 years should the goverment intervein here too??.....LOL

how about the TAXES the oil companies pay vs oil co. profit margin...guess who wins there??

how about the oil companies being told to come up with new energy programs to replace oil??? WTF??

YOU can say what you want about Bush...we are in a bettersafer place by far vs that DOLT Kerry would have put us in...much less 8 years of Gore...PERIOD.-BJ

 

[BIG JOHN]

When did I say that? In fact I stated that both parties are playing to their constituents by doing nothing as demand out paces production. Big oil doesn't mind it, they make higher profits by charging more. The left likes it even more as they look forward to consumers cutting back and reducing consumption. If you are suggesting that because Bush is Pres we have a fleet in the gulf and he phoned them and said to fire on an Iranian ship so oil prices would spike today... well probably not lol

I'm still waiting for you to explain how the wealthy benefit from the destruction of the middle class? Define middle class why you're at it if you would...

Hey Duke...stop using facts and commonsense...your confusing the liberal dems "I feel good" way of life...LOL

dems....E-85 is better than gasoline!!...

gallon/gallon its better for the envirnment....BUT...

rep- umm BUT it takes 7 gallons of water, 4 gallons of fuel, gov $$ and FOOD to make 1 gallon of E-85...wheres the GAIN???

NOW when the facts are out...E-85 kinda SUCKS now doesnt it..BUT the dems still like it cuz' they "feel good" about saving the planet.....what a JOKE...BJ

 

[duke1n]

LOL John I was probably a little rude but it is mildly amusing to hear the same old tired lefty blame game. Now if they really believe that and are not just repeating what they heard on Keith Olberman show then no problem. People's opinions can be changed if they are interested in learning. You're right about oil. It's more complicated than Bush or Clinton made it happen. I certainly don't understand every nuance but it's a complete over simplification to say it's this person or that person's fault. Stating that the economy is better in Venezuela because the government runs the oil program and caps prices is what is referred to as a gross oversimplification of the facts. If you want to better understand things Google them and do some reading. In some cases you'll read lefty spun articles and some will be righty spun. Wade through the spin and you can begin to better understand the realities of world economics. Bottom line is if you get your news from the MSM you are probably getting a very biased view of things.

 

[R J]

4.86 for one gal of Dez .. Its over

Why is it over? Have you quit driving? Have you even slowed down 5-10 mph on average? The answer with most people is not one bit. They will scrafice their childs education to put fuel in their vehicles and that is just the straight facts. Have any of you moved closer to work? Have you tried to change your schedule if possible so you aren't sitting in traffic wasteing fuel for hours on end?

Everyone knows the majority won't change their habbits, just plain and simple.

Who's going to honestly say, I'm not riding this coming year because it's $10.00 more to fill up my sled each time? Sure the trips might become combined trips to save there, or more people will be stuffed into the cab but honestly I don't see any of us here curtailing our riding due to the cost of fuel.

 

[BackCountryBob]

I'd gladly pay $4.00/gallon rather than re-live Johnson's Great Society, Nixon's price control days and Jimmy Carter's malaise---long gas lines, max 10 gallons purchases, 15-18% interest rates, 70% loan to value home mortgage rates, 2% per month inflation, 50% tax rates---this is what government regulation gave us.

If you want to this country to regress and re-live those days (years), VOTE Democrate.

For those of you who didn't suffer those government regulation attrocities or have no clue---ask your parents and/or thank Ronald Reagan for getting us back on the RIGHT track.

The real profiteers in the energy market place are the investors in the futures market. Maybe we should invest our cash there instead of Spring Checking a new 09.

BCB

 

[modsledr]

........The real profiteers in the energy market place are the investors in the futures market. Maybe we should invest our cash there instead of Spring Checking a new 09. BCB

ding ding ding ding...we have a winner, tell him what he's won!!

 

[OuraySledder]

Why is it over? Have you quit driving? Have you even slowed down 5-10 mph on average? The answer with most people is not one bit. They will scrafice their childs education to put fuel in their vehicles and that is just the straight facts. Have any of you moved closer to work? Have you tried to change your schedule if possible so you aren't sitting in traffic wasteing fuel for hours on end?

Everyone knows the majority won't change their habbits, just plain and simple.

Who's going to honestly say, I'm not riding this coming year because it's $10.00 more to fill up my sled each time? Sure the trips might become combined trips to save there, or more people will be stuffed into the cab but honestly I don't see any of us here curtailing our riding due to the cost of fuel.

Uhhhh, I have. I am driving the speed limit. I have taken the radar detector off the winshield. I have turned the chip in my truck from hot rod to fuel saver settings. I am driving less than half the miles I used to just by planning better.

 

[xrated]

The real profiteers in the energy market place are the investors in the futures market. Maybe we should invest our cash there instead of Spring Checking a new 09.

Now why would you do something smart and logical?

 

[cowboysedge]

Could this really work?????

I want to share an email I received from a quy at work. Could it really work?


Subject: Dropping Gas Prices

THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU
HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.30 PER GALLON.



This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one
of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired
of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer,
take time to read this please.



Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain
day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!

I h ear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer,
and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down?

We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies
just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for
them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2.00 is
super cheap. Me too! It is currently $3.19 for regular unleaded in my
town.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we
need to t ake aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
marketplace..not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
need to take action.

The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if
we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we
can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.

But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to
force a price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY
gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and
MOBIL.

If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce
their prices.

If they reduce t heir prices, the other companies will have to
follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out
on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to
reach millions of people!

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at
least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) .. and those 300 send it to at least
ten more (300 x10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches
the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers.

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED
MILLION PEOPLE!!!

; Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!

(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you
have to do is send this to 10 people... Well, let's face it, you just
aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out
to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people
could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days !!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did
you!

Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest
that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE
$2.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.



Keep it going!!!