Buying American Made save your future

[CrazyCanadianCat]

So I guess that means that if I live in Canada, I should only buy Ski doo. I don't think so! I have had Cats and will continue to do so as long as they are around. Besides, Ski doo's sell for cheaper down in the States then they do here... go figure.

 

[Skidooer]

I work for the UAW (Ford). Why does that matter? Because a large majority of those who support our sport rely the decisions you make in the showroom. How many dollars do you think make it back to the snowmobiling industry when you purchased that shiny new Toyota Tundra? Just another view.

My point exactly about buying a Toyota. Well stated.

So what if they are put together in the US. More $$$ stays in the US and in snowmobiling when you BUY AMERICAN.

Im not a big UAW fan though.

 

[trikerider]

I will never buy from a company that has gotten bailed out or has gone with chapter 11 protection. Right now I'm getting rid of my Charter cable (chapter 11). I will never ever buy another GM or Dodge product again. Come to think of it I have never owned a GM or Dodge product.

 

[tranquillicer]

Bail outs!!

I will never buy from a company that has gotten bailed out or has gone with chapter 11 protection. Right now I'm getting rid of my Charter cable (chapter 11). I will never ever buy another GM or Dodge product again. Come to think of it I have never owned a GM or Dodge product.

If you eat anything grown in the US you are buying from a group that received almost $300billion US dollars in subsidies in 2008. It's called the "us farm bill". Be carefull of this stand you have taken on bailouts and subsidies and Chapter 11's. It's likely very difficult to honor at commitment like that.

 

[Gainster]

My point exactly about buying a Toyota. Well stated.

So what if they are put together in the US. More $$$ stays in the US and in snowmobiling when you BUY AMERICAN.

Im not a big UAW fan though.

Just because it says Toyota does not mean it's not UAW made! Cruise through your local Toyota dealer & open the drivers door to look for the UAW sticker. UAW does assemble Toyota vehicles here it the states, TFB should read his UAW Firepower news letters

The parts vendors I know of would rather do buisiness with Toyota, Honda & Nissan over GM, Ford & Chrysler due to the domestics bill back BS.

 

[TFB]

UAW does assemble Toyota vehicles here it the states, TFB should read his UAW Firepower news letters

Gainster,
Please list the Toyota vehicles built by the UAW. I would love to learn from your knowledge on the topic. To my knowledge, the Toyota Corolla & Tacoma are the only two assembled in the North America by the UAW. This is hardly enough evidence to make an arguement that buying a Toyota product goes anywhere near as far to help our country or contribute money that will circulate back to our sport as buying a product from an North American based company that manufactures their product inside our borders.

 

[ericbigbore]

Gainster,
Please list the Toyota vehicles built by the UAW. I would love to learn from your knowledge on the topic. To my knowledge, the Toyota Corolla & Tacoma are the only two assembled in the North America by the UAW. This is hardly enough evidence to make an arguement that buying a Toyota product goes anywhere near as far to help our country or contribute money that will circulate back to our sport as buying a product from an North American based company that manufactures their product inside our borders.

You don't have to buy an American car to support the UAW, just pay your taxes and the government will do it for you. Now go buy a Polaris with our tax money.

 

[powderbound]

I have always bought GM vehicles between me and my company we buy 3-4 per trucks per year. However, I have had it with the government and I refuse to voluntarily give them any more money than what they take already. As far as I am concerned both Chrysler and GM are now US govt car companies not US worker car companies. I won't buy them any more and I hope they eventually go away. Why the UAW thinks that americans are OK with money being taken out of our pockets to finance thier F-ups is beyond me.

 

[TFB]

Why the UAW thinks that americans are OK with money being taken out of our pockets to finance thier F-ups is beyond me.

I assume by this comment you believe that the UAW makes business decisions for the big three. The UAW has very little say in what type of products are engineered, marketed and sold. Expenses from the UAW workforce comprise less than 7 percent of the overall cost in producing the vehicles we drive. I have ten years experience as a employee of Ford Motor Co., have a bachelors degree from the University of Wyoming, oversee the maintenance & programming of paint & cast skin robotics for the manufacturing of instrument panels. I make $54000.00 per year, have a family of 4, and with the little bit of extra money I have, I love to spend it on snowmobiling. I know from reading the news you may think this whole problem is a result of GREEDY UAW members, that are lazy and overpaid. We are not the overpaid executive, flying in on corporate jets, making business decisions that obviously haven't worked out and asking for a loan because our stock options have suffered greatly. This whole thread was started on the simple idea that we should try our best to buy our own products when possible, not whether you agree with the UAW or unions in general. This refers to all products built in America, large or small, union and non-union, that help families right here make a living. It only makes sense to support the workers right here in North America

In closing, I only hope that the consumers you rely on to raise your family and support your passion of snowmobiling continue to purchase your products, stay at your resorts, patronize your establishments and ultimately help your business thrive. I think we'll all be better for it.

 

[Hardass]

Right on TFB

 

[Skidooer]

This whole thread was started on the simple idea that we should try our best to buy our own products when possible, not whether you agree with the UAW or unions in general. This refers to all products built in America, large or small, union and non-union, that help families right here make a living. It only makes sense to support the workers right here in North America.

Correct. Not a UAW or auto thread.

The point is to support our economy and circulate the $$$ here in instead of sending it out of the country. Including american made sleds.

 

[Spiffy]

I assume by this comment you believe that the UAW makes business decisions for the big three. The UAW has very little say in what type of products are engineered, marketed and sold. Expenses from the UAW workforce comprise less than 7 percent of the overall cost in producing the vehicles we drive. I have ten years experience as a employee of Ford Motor Co., have a bachelors degree from the University of Wyoming, oversee the maintenance & programming of paint & cast skin robotics for the manufacturing of instrument panels. I make $54000.00 per year, have a family of 4, and with the little bit of extra money I have, I love to spend it on snowmobiling. I know from reading the news you may think this whole problem is a result of GREEDY UAW members, that are lazy and overpaid. We are not the overpaid executive, flying in on corporate jets, making business decisions that obviously haven't worked out and asking for a loan because our stock options have suffered greatly. This whole thread was started on the simple idea that we should try our best to buy our own products when possible, not whether you agree with the UAW or unions in general. This refers to all products built in America, large or small, union and non-union, that help families right here make a living. It only makes sense to support the workers right here in North America

In closing, I only hope that the consumers you rely on to raise your family and support your passion of snowmobiling continue to purchase your products, stay at your resorts, patronize your establishments and ultimately help your business thrive. I think we'll all be better for it.

at least you whittled down the "labour" portion of the cost from 7% to UAW costs @ 7%... did you factor in the parts suppliers labour costs if they are UAW or <conveniently> forget about them? I certainly have to agree about the management.. they could have had me drive it into the ground, twice as fast for half as much.
What really pisses me off is the CAW marching to the government demanding that - Spiffy NO pension - support their pensions?? all the unions know where to shove that!
I doubt that we are calling every auto worker lazy...for all the times I have been contracted at auto factories.. I'll put it at 85% for the line workers.. probably higher on the management side.

 

[aux187]

except the problem is that, it is difficult to find products made in America, and when you do a lot of them are made by people who don't care about the manufacturing quality, they are made by beaners that ship the money home to get more beaners here, or by union folks that know they won't be fired so why do a good job? Just like the UAW, instead of decreasing pay across the board and ditching the union to save a company we are just going blow billions and still go bankrupt. And preaching to me on what sled to buy, you don't think Yamaha or Ski doo employs Americans? you might want to rethink that one, and i can't imagine that Cat and Polaris don't have foreign made parts. If you want to support America go buy a gun or a bottle of bourbon.

Hey I'm a BEANER... Want to say it to my face?.. I ride SKI-DOO and wouldn't trade it for anything else. Got two GM vehicles and a Dodge Stratus that I drive to work... Why do I have a Dodge because it was a good deal.. Skidoo? because it has being reliable. Do I send my money to BEANER land? NO... I pay taxes just like everyone else and I support my Cracker wife thats going to school... So If you ever want to meet just let me know I'll show you what a BEANER can do... By the By all My Friends are WHITE...

I got a lot more to say but I got to go to my second job so I can pay for all the fuel that I burned snowmobiling....

 

[Anti-Hero]

Hey I'm a BEANER... Want to say it to my face?.. I ride SKI-DOO and wouldn't trade it for anything else. Got two GM vehicles and a Dodge Stratus that I drive to work... Why do I have a Dodge because it was a good deal.. Skidoo? because it has being reliable. Do I send my money to BEANER land? NO... I pay taxes just like everyone else and I support my Cracker wife thats going to school... So If you ever want to meet just let me know I'll show you what a BEANER can do... By the By all My Friends are WHITE...

I got a lot more to say but I got to go to my second job so I can pay for all the fuel that I burned snowmobiling....

Yeah I think you could be called Hispanic or of Mexican descent. Beaner is a non pc word for illegals. If by chance you think the word cracker offends me try again. Actually the word white offends me more, see we have Mexican Americans, Native Americans, Asian American and so on. Have ever heard European Americans, Hmm Never. Oh wait they call us Caucasian, but wait I have never been to the Caucasus region that extends from Southern Russia to Northern Iran, so yeah European American works well, or even better American I don’t need it churched up any.

And do I want to see what beaners do, no not really any more than I have too. Do I want to meet you, no not really, what you are going beat me up because I wrote beaner, that sounds well thought out! It’s a forum with many people and many different views accept it and if you can’t there probably is a kumbaya forum out there for you. Maybe you could buy an American made Banjo to strum the cords to and sing for us?

 

[ullapool]

WTF ???? How is that patriotic?
Sir, put the crack pipe down and take 3 steps back.

Dartos
competition weeds out the weak and strengthens the economy generally. by buying only USA because we think it is being patriotic is acutually unpatriotic. it subsidizes the poorly ran companies. If a US business is losing sales what is the first thing they should be doing? They should be asking themselves what they are doing wrong, and then change it. If you keep buying their crap they don't get that signal and think that all is well. Other problems arise when unions step in and try to dictate wages and benefits along with the government interfering with business decisions. Let the companies putting out crap fail, don't subsidize them. as i said the most patriotic thing you can do is buy the best value reguardless of where it is made. The local boys will get the idea if it looks like they are going to fail and change or get out. Look at klim, that is all i wear. i could buy cheaper stuff but i have been very pleased with their product so i will pay more because i believe it is a good value for the quality. Buying value doesn't mean buying the cheapest. The better we educate people to quit buying US just because it's US the sooner our companies will kick it in gear and put out some good stuff. just trying to be patriotic......

 

[ruffryder]

Dartos
competition weeds out the weak and strengthens the economy generally. by buying only USA because we think it is being patriotic is acutually unpatriotic. it subsidizes the poorly ran companies. If a US business is losing sales what is the first thing they should be doing?

no, that is not correct. By weak and strong you are talking about price. A global economy will always provide an unlevel playing field as there is always someplace with cheaper labor, cheaper taxes, and cheaper resources.

Maybe if the cost of spending money outside the country was reflected in the price (additional money going to unemployment due to reduction in low level jobs) you might get a better picture of strong and week.

Also, if enough people only bought US goods, then more companies would be selling / producing them increasing competing. So your point about reduced competing gets negated at that point.

just trying to be patriotic......

no, you are trying to be a capitalist...

Large trade imports are killing this country, one dollar at a time.

Carry on..

 

[moyiesledhead]

So I guess being Canadian I should only buy Skidoo. How long do you think Polaris and AC would remain at full employment of American workers if all of a sudden their export business went to zero. Come on guys, there's a much bigger picture here! Like it or not everyone's economies are global these days. Protectionism won't do any of us any good!

 

[ullapool]

no, that is not correct. By weak and strong you are talking about price. A global economy will always provide an unlevel playing field as there is always someplace with cheaper labor, cheaper taxes, and cheaper resources.

Maybe if the cost of spending money outside the country was reflected in the price (additional money going to unemployment due to reduction in low level jobs) you might get a better picture of strong and week.

Also, if enough people only bought US goods, then more companies would be selling / producing them increasing competing. So your point about reduced competing gets negated at that point.


no, you are trying to be a capitalist...

Large trade imports are killing this country, one dollar at a time.

Carry on..

you are correct about the global economy always presenting an uneven playing feild it is called competitive advantage for that reason the us should not try and compete in areas it does not have an advantage. it should stick to the areas where it excells. By buying us simply to be patriotic you distort the market and send the wrong signals to companies. As a country we should not expend recources in ares where others have a distinct advantage i.e. cheap labor. we cannot compete there so we should be putting our recources into high tech for example. It is simple basic econ 101. if you require me to buy a US made car you are requiring me to subsidize over paid union workers and incompetent management. i will not do that and will buy imports in the hopes that the car companies will go broke and the resources they are using can be put to good use. sorry it sounds kinda harsh but you either need to be effective and efficient or get out and don't think the american consumer should subsidize the inefficient. (sorry about the spelling) and spend our hard earned money just so others can live can have a job that shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

[Dano702]

I have been self employed since the age of 19 , and i started with less than nothing . I still have a 1967 Camaro sitting in my parents garage. It sleeps right next to my brothers 1970 SS 396 4 speed Chevelle . Their Tahoe and Avalanche stay outside in the snow.

I always support self employed people first . My company only buys from GM , and Ford would be the second choice . But although i am a loyal consumer, i hate the UAW. The reason is, the mindset of the good old boys . There are way to many people who belive they cant get fired .

It is just like a company that is "to big to fail" . The reason this country is the greatest on the planet is because of the FREE market . When the old UAW guy tells the young guy to slow down , and asks him if he is trying to make the old guys look bad we have a problem. That is the reason i work with non union companys day to day . I know the owners on a first name basis , and we work together to make each other a living.

If i fail to make profit , i am replaced right now . No ifs ands or buts . When you take the reward out of hard work ,you can run the best of company's into the ground. If you start your own company and hire local employee's , i will go out of my way to find you and give you my money .

And i think everyone who drives a Toyota is a pole smoker.

 

[Treebender]

This thread is like the Democrats vs. the Republicans....

Republicans....If you wish to be rich, you pay your people that work for you pennies so they can just make a living.

Democrats.... If wish to make a little more than your workers, you pay your people well so they can make a good living too.

I work in auto industry, took a 7% pay cut 5yrs ago the same year my boss took a 10% pay raise. This year I took a 17% pay cut...waiting to see for my boss to take another healthy pay raise. Whose getting richer? Should I agree to be Republican/capitalism?

Don't be fooled by unions being bad....

While the blue collar guy is sleeping on the job, the white collar guy is sleeping on the crapper. While the blue collar guy is rebelling to do a job that has union behind him, the white collar guy is delegating the same time for not doing a part of their job responsibility with their boss backing them up. Either way, white collar vs. blue collar..... the white collar is po'ed because they want more of the blue collar's money....

The question remains do we support foreign owned companies who bring work to the US and take the majority of profits back to their foreign country, or do we support the US company who pays there people pennies so the boss' can fly private jets to golf course to golf course?