BRP is takin care of us, so stop complaining

[Ron]

After reading through this thread I can't believe how many people just sit back and accept these problems year after year and come back with the excuse of "Oh, it's a new engine" and "It's a new a chassis" "They're still working the kinks out." Are you guys listening to yourselves? You might as well knock on BRPs door and tell them that it's okay to come out with less than superior products and it's okay to figure it out in the next few years, ya know, whenever ya have enough time!

If the engine is not ready, don't release it. If the chassis hasn't been tested, don't release it. Yes, it is a war between all manufacturers to have the best sled out there but if we keep accepting the problems they bring, we will keep seeing early release "state-of-the-art" ,unproven, untested products.

As far as quality products go I will agree with the Yami guys that for what they are, Yami has done a good job with fit and finish and quality control. Their product just doesn't fit my riding preference. Everyone should ask themeselves this though. "How can Yamaha offer a sled, similar in price to the XP, with an engine that has far more engineering and expensive components involved and Ski-Doo (Rotax) keeps disappointing us with subpar engineering?" I'm not saying the XP chassis design doesn't have great engineering but what can a consumer really expect from a company that can't even build a decent handwarmer?

We had these same discussions last year about our 07 Summits. Lots of issues-no fixes from Doo. In the spring the proto XP's flopped in many cases resulting in early cancellation of some demo rides. The McCall, ID Demo blew a belt in 15 miles & 2 engines in less than a week. That did it for me.
Then BRP having seen the groundswell of negativity made a post on DooTalk that they were aware of the problems, it was a proto & that the XP would be fixed for 08. That kind of BS statement should have some reaction from Doo customer base but I guess it's only normal to stick up for your ride.
Summit Boy may lack tact but he owns the sled & has a lot of good points. Until the *****ing hurts the bottom line nothing will change.
JROD you have nailed it. There is strength in numbers but a lot of apathy & denial here. I see many of the same names that owned problem 07's bought XP's & are getting hosed again. WHY??? There are some good alternatives.

 

[Makaveli_Rev]

Well i blew my first belt on the afternoon ride today. Wen't up bountiful this afternoon for a short ride and she popped on my xp. 353 miles when my belt blew. Great day other than visibility kinda sucked. Was with a 800 dragon and i liked it. Don't really notice the extra wieght over my 07 RMK 600, it came up with 2 problems though.. massive track racheting, and it hesitated in the mid range, almost a sort of bog. overall it was a nice sled though

 

[Slick]

Bullsh!t.

Mind sharing what you know about the motivation of all the fellas who go boost Slim.

 

[Turtlehead]

After doing Very Little research on why these Apex riders were so upset about the Xp's I found this:
http://www.xpcblog.com/journal/2007/12/21/2008-dragon-800-summit-x-weights.html
And I'm trying to figure out what they're so proud of.

 

[teeroy]

Would you mind elaborating as to what the hot setup for your 146" is? My dealer is a joke and I see mostly people talking about fixes for the 154". Thanks

purple/blue primary spring, solid short pins @16.8g (got the Dalton pin kit yesterday, going to add a few more gms), 19/45 gearing and the 288 belt from the 600RS race sled. 40-45mph in deep snow on clicker 5 @6000', 70mph in a foot of snow on the flats on clicker 2 @2000', 88mph on hardpack on clicker 2 @2000'. primary temp is under 40 degrees celsius (was 60+ before changes, and ate 3-166 belts at approx 60 miles each) and have 50 miles on the 288 belt so far. I think there is more track speed to be realized in the loose snow, a softer secondary spring or different helix angle will be my next mission.....

 

[Slick]

After doing Very Little research on why these Apex riders were so upset about the Xp's I found this:
http://www.xpcblog.com/journal/2007/12/21/2008-dragon-800-summit-x-weights.html
And I'm trying to figure out what they're so proud of so that I can also experience another aspect of this wonderful sport instead of following the crowd like a passive little sheep.


Fixed it for ya there turtlehead.

 

[Nikolai]

[QUOTE.

Some riders that actually ride don't have an issue slinging the extra weight around. Maybe some riders are just better than others. I had a real problem this year shelling out the money for my XP because i knew the Yamaha was just a better sled and would work better than the XP. Now look my worst fears have come true and the XP is a lemon with the worst quality control problems they have had ! You like being the test pilot for Skud thats great but get it right already, the other manufacturers are way ahead !

I'm tired of hearing about the tight trees thing that is pure shat and you know it ! I ride where my XP friends go. You think i just sit around and wait to find a point and shoot hill, LOL. Some of you guys are funny, i just spent 4 days in Revy and all the XP riders were huddled around the cabin because they were to afraid to pass over a socked in ridge. Well guess who was playing in the tight trees on the other side. Maybe the XP guys were discussing how to adjust the secondary while sipping tea in cabin !
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do you have any footage of yourself and your superhuman riding skills, the last time i asked this? someone put up a vidieo of one running through what i considered a 6 lane freeway. i bought into the hype and bought a nytro some of my worst fears came true also, it sinks in the trees, and i figure next summer with about $2500.00 and 200 hours of work it will do what i want it to do

You need to stop posting because you are an embarrassment to other Nytro owners. YOU need to learn how to ride, because the Nytro is about the easiest carving stock sled there is. Quit your b1tching and put some miles on the thing or take a pow riding class from Burandt. Mine has far exceeded my expectations and will in fact climb with 800 Revs. No it won't highmark them, but I didn't buy it for that.

I have 850 hard miles now of just turning the key. How many 2-strokes can claim that(not just doo, but any 2-stroke mountain sled)?


- Sorry for the thread hijack Doo guys but I had to clear up some BS. I haven't ridden with any XP's but I've seen a few in action and they look like a great sled. Hopefully BRP gets everything worked out for '09 whcih I'm sure they will -

 

[johnny be bad]

Why dont you go read posts from member "johnny be bad"
Hes an XP owner with no Yamaha experience but i think only posts in the yamaha forum.

for your info i sold my yamaha in the fall to buy the xp, so dont tell me i dont no anything about yamahas. and yes ive ran stk and mod yammies for years!!!! as for knowing anything? seeing is believing! i see all these guys try to say there nytro runs with a rev! what a joke, watched 2 today run the hills, they couldnt make it half way up, guess what? the xp went over the top many times!

 

[Nikolai]

For the record, I'm running my Nytro against Rev Summits, not XP's. Noone I've ridden with yet this year bought an XP summit so I haven't been able to compare. I'm sure the XP would be much further up the hill with it's 100 lb weight advantage.

 

[lucky13]

You need to stop posting because you are an embarrassment to other Nytro owners. YOU need to learn how to ride, because the Nytro is about the easiest carving stock sled there is. Quit your b1tching and put some miles on the thing or take a pow riding class from Burandt. Mine has far exceeded my expectations and will in fact climb with 800 Revs. No it won't highmark them, but I didn't buy it for that.

I have 850 hard miles now of just turning the key. How many 2-strokes can claim that(not just doo, but any 2-stroke mountain sled)?


- Sorry for the thread hijack Doo guys but I had to clear up some BS. I haven't ridden with any XP's but I've seen a few in action and they look like a great sled. Hopefully BRP gets everything worked out for '09 whcih I'm sure they will -

here we go again, the only reason i posted on this thread was to ask why the other brands are even concerned with doo, more or less why do you care what we ride. if you would have taken the time to read my post in the yamaha section[ under would you buy the nytro again] you would have seen that i said the nytro is possibly the best [meadow sled ever built] that is where most people do there carving. as for climbing hills in the tight stuff this machine just dont get it. it sinks they run just fine as long as you dont have to finness the throttle.i dont need any lessons on how to ride powder but if i lived in alaska i wouldnt mind taking your meadow jumping class if you offer one

 

[f3600]

900 rmk??? Biggest POS ever made!

You can have that pig!

I'll stick with the XP.

Chaz

Ah hello?? Your XP and the 900 RMK have/had very similar issues. How's one a POS and the other a champ? Take your blinders off.

 

[Turtlehead]

After doing Very Little research on why these Apex riders were so upset about the Xp's I found this:
http://www.xpcblog.com/journal/2007/12/21/2008-dragon-800-summit-x-weights.html
And I'm trying to figure out what they're so proud of so that I can also experience another aspect of this wonderful sport instead of following the crowd like a passive little sheep.


Fixed it for ya there turtlehead.

Thats all you got Slick? You have to work off someone elses post? LOL Typical Poser, You bought an apex because you saw one pulling a big shute in a movie,(If you even have one) Now you can sit at the bottom off a hill and look like a hero and talk smack on the forums, Because you probably dont have the Sack to do it yourself. Now STFU and stop spinning dougnuts in the parking lot!
As far as me "following the crowd" I dont follow , I ride a SkiDoo someones' gotta break the trail in For the Apex's

 

[bmiller]

yamaha guys

Why is it that there are so many Yamaha guys surfing the Doo forums and talking chit. Big boy sled...does a sled have to be over 600 lbs to qualify for this designation??

Original belt on my 163"!

I was checking it out, because maybe might have went back to 2 stroke if the sled was all it was cracked up to be. I am up for looking at other sleds, not because I am not happy with what I have.

PS. I don't need the nos to climb with the other guys, it does just fine. Nos is to beat them. Never did any bashing on here either. Just because I ride a yami and comment in another forum does not make it a bash. There are alot of good threads on here and they are considered bashing since they are not positive threads

 

[Slick]

Thats all you got Slick? You have to work off someone elses post? LOL Typical Poser, You bought an apex because you saw one pulling a big shute in a movie,(If you even have one) Now you can sit at the bottom off a hill and look like a hero and talk smack on the forums, Because you probably dont have the Sack to do it yourself. Now STFU and stop spinning dougnuts in the parking lot!
As far as me "following the crowd" I dont follow , I ride a SkiDoo someones' gotta break the trail in For the Apex's

Well I tried to keep it light-hearted for you a$$wipe, but you don't deserve it. Just another tough talking, hard riding, self absorbed, internet hero who is the best rider HE can imagine. Ain't the web wonderful you jackass, it allows smart guys like you to know everything about the experience and skill level of who you're talking to just by context. You don't have a clue you putz. I respect every man till he proves to be an ***, and you've removed any doubt. Go break some trail for the Apex's and have fun, you hero.

 

[snowcross]

Summitboy, your Skidoo dealer in your area must really suck, and thats
to bad, because my dealer is taking care of any issues all of our sleds
are having (allmost 200 sleds) I have never had the urge to talk to a
BRP tech, why would I want to when my dealer is taking care of every
thing? the fact that everybody in your area is ALL having the same problems, tells me this is the case, a bad dealer can make all the difference in the world. By the way 350 miles (9000' + deep powder mountain riding with a 253 belt) no issues, other then hand warmers.

 

[steveo10]

wow i miss a lot stuff here in the last week..... only have time to read the last 2 pages.

im sure the peas in a pod slick,gravitor and >yamaha< have put their intelligent sense into this thread.

cant wait to snowcheck a 09xp with all the tweaks out. (hopefully,but not holding my breath)

 

[Turtlehead]

Well I tried to keep it light-hearted for you a$$wipe, but you don't deserve it. Just another tough talking, hard riding, self absorbed, internet hero who is the best rider HE can imagine. Ain't the web wonderful you jackass, it allows smart guys like you to know everything about the experience and skill level of who you're talking to just by context. You don't have a clue you putz. I respect every man till he proves to be an ***, and you've removed any doubt. Go break some trail for the Apex's and have fun, you hero.

I originally posted a different reply to this message but deleted it.
I don't come here to start problems with people, I come here for good information, I have to travel way too far just to ride my sleds right now and need them to be in top shape when I get there.
I get upset as do most people, when someone comes in and bashhes the sleds we paid hard earned $$ for , For no reason other than to start a problem.
I like the XP's, I paid for them, If you don't like em who really cares? I don't go to the other manufacturer threads and tell them what a pile they're riding, I really don't care what you ride.
The XP's do have a few issues right now, and hopefully we can get them figured out before the snow is gone. I haven't had any problems with mine yet, but I do like to have a heads up if one arises as it cost me a lot of time and $$ to even get to them ,So the more info I can get the quicker the problem is resolved.
So lets cut the crap and try to help each other out instead of creating animosity among us.

 

[chazzer]

Hey, SliverGriz!!!

I have the same sled as you and have had no problems! What you said about, there is no problem untill you have one first hand, hit the nail on the head. Some people I ride with keep telling me I'm going to have some catastrophic falure any time now, and that my sled is a ticking time bomb, but i have had no problems at all.

People can be so jelous.................

Anyway hope your enjoying yours as much as im enjoying mine!!!

Chaz

 

[chazzer]

I originally posted a different reply to this message but deleted it.
I don't come here to start problems with people, I come here for good information, I have to travel way too far just to ride my sleds right now and need them to be in top shape when I get there.
I get upset as do most people, when someone comes in and bashhes the sleds we paid hard earned $$ for , For no reason other than to start a problem.
I like the XP's, I paid for them, If you don't like em who really cares? I don't go to the other manufacturer threads and tell them what a pile they're riding, I really don't care what you ride.
The XP's do have a few issues right now, and hopefully we can get them figured out before the snow is gone. I haven't had any problems with mine yet, but I do like to have a heads up if one arises as it cost me a lot of time and $$ to even get to them ,So the more info I can get the quicker the problem is resolved.
So lets cut the crap and try to help each other out instead of creating animosity among us.

Thank you!!!

Maybe some of these dudes can F-off!!!

Chaz

 

[summitboy]

Summitboy, your Skidoo dealer in your area must really suck, and thats
to bad, because my dealer is taking care of any issues all of our sleds
are having (allmost 200 sleds) I have never had the urge to talk to a
BRP tech, why would I want to when my dealer is taking care of every
thing? the fact that everybody in your area is ALL having the same problems, tells me this is the case, a bad dealer can make all the difference in the world. By the way 350 miles (9000' + deep powder mountain riding with a 253 belt) no issues, other then hand warmers.

You are right about the area, that area is Revy ! The harder the XP is worked (bottomless powder, epic year) the more the problems arise. I'm not sure what kind of snow you have but you take a great XP rider and put him in these kind of conditions you will continue to blow belts regardless. We have done clutching, gearing, machining and are working on the secondary (Doo dealer in the mountains) to minimize the compounding effects of a poor design/setup. Sure i could take it to my dealer but he knows nothing more than we do and he refuses to get on BRPs back about it.

These Summits are not built for hardcore mountain abuse, hence all the time and effort we have to put into them to make them stay reliable and run without the fear of leaving you in a pickle. The XP is by far the best performing/working machine Doo has, but it comes at a great sacrifice to the customers. They went light and thats great but you and I are paying for it overall, whether it be buying belts, driveshafts etc, or losing money in resale, we pay for it. Where is the accountability ? If I did my job in this careless manner there would be hundreds of people dead !