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Brad Story Custom 2009 M1200 162 Turbo Raffle is OPEN!!!

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Wow what a place.

RF

This pretty much sums it up. You provide a way for the average guy have a chance at a sled he could probably never afford, you donate money to an organization fighting to keep riding areas open and you get support from other company's to provide additional prizes for the raffle. You do all this and then someone, that has no objection to buying tickets for a chance to win, comes on the internet and complains about the stated value of the sled.

Other than your own tax issues if you win the sled(which if you can't afford to pay the tax on the value stated you probably shouldn't have bought tickets) have you considered the tax accounting of the businesses involved i.e. Oregon Trail Sports and Brad Story?
 
This pretty much sums it up. You provide a way for the average guy have a chance at a sled he could probably never afford, you donate money to an organization fighting to keep riding areas open and you get support from other company's to provide additional prizes for the raffle. You do all this and then someone, that has no objection to buying tickets for a chance to win, comes on the internet and complains about the stated value of the sled.

Other than your own tax issues if you win the sled(which if you can't afford to pay the tax on the value stated you probably shouldn't have bought tickets) have you considered the tax accounting of the businesses involved i.e. Oregon Trail Sports and Brad Story?

I never said I couldn't afford the tax. I just don't want the fed's confiscating anymore than they have to. Why would I consider the tax accounting of the business? They are promoting themselves and sounds like making something from it? Did I put a gun to there head (from a previous post) to do this? No.

RF
 
Mr Fink I would be more then happy to refund you your money since i have offended you with my temper. Maybe if you have had the type of experience's on here that I have had in the past you would be quick to temper too. But lets not judge someone. I see you were just as quick to jump on the bash wagon. You seemed like a very nice man when I sold you your tickets.

Michelle

No need for a refund. I'm happy with making my contribution. I'm sure I have no shot at winning it anyway. (Especially now!;)) By the way have you checked into the tax liability? I'm right aren't I? In theory if I won the sled I would be paying tax for it on this years taxes?

Just because I asked a question that means I'm not a nice man? Sorry if I ruined you opinion of me.

By the way how many tix do you have left? I may want to scue my chances at winning!:eek:

RF[/QUOTE]

Ok MT your turn to chime in you know the tax laws answer this man's question for me please. As for ruining your chances NO WAY i would never do something like that EVER. There is still some tickets and you are more then welcome to prchase more. I don't hold a grudge very often. It wasn't the question but the way it was worded it sounded like a personal attack AND it was right on the heels of Duke's stupid comment. I mean hell he basically told everyone who has bought a ticket there a idiot...Am i wrong that's what he said isn't?
 
I never said I couldn't afford the tax. I just don't want the fed's confiscating anymore than they have to. Why would I consider the tax accounting of the business? They are promoting themselves and sounds like making something from it? Did I put a gun to there head (from a previous post) to do this? No.

RF

I am making NOTHING I am losing money. That's why i got so pissed.....I am taking over a 1000.00 hit on the sled plus my time. DO U WORK FOR FREE????
I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brad is taking a HUGE hit on the parts and labor. We aren't even breaking even!!!! Do U get it NOW???
 
I am making NOTHING I am losing money. That's why i got so pissed.....I am taking over a 1000.00 hit on the sled plus my time. DO U WORK FOR FREE????
I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brad is taking a HUGE hit on the parts and labor. We aren't even breaking even!!!! Do U get it NOW???

No but you are promoting your business. I read a post earlier in the thread the guy was so happy he said he was going to buy his next sled from you. Well that's a good thing is it not?

RF
 
By the way HOE (the other guy that posted not you Michelle) that sled that you put a link to comparing to this one has not sold and is down to $18,500. I don't think that's too far off from the mid teens. Did you even look at the ad before posting? Just trying to be reasonable. Hey if all proceeds go to saws and I'm sure they will everyone wins.

RF
 
No but you are promoting your business. I read a post earlier in the thread the guy was so happy he said he was going to buy his next sled from you. Well that's a good thing is it not?

RF

I have known her since way before this raffle she told me a year ago she was going to buy her next sled from me. Not because of this raffle but because NORMALLY i am a super nice gal who loves to give HER customers good deals on their parts and unit's. You act as if i just got on here and started this raffle. I am not doing this to get customers I am doing this because i thought it would be a fun way to get rid of this sled and give a person a chance to own a kick AZZ sled and for SAWS to get a damn nice donation. Puddy Cat and I have cats that are Brother and Sister she's my freakin friend not just my customer!!!! Jeesh
 
I am making NOTHING I am losing money. That's why i got so pissed.....I am taking over a 1000.00 hit on the sled plus my time. DO U WORK FOR FREE????
I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brad is taking a HUGE hit on the parts and labor. We aren't even breaking even!!!! Do U get it NOW???

Imagine what the price would cost you if you took your sled in and had them install all the parts that are on Brads Sled?????????
I know it would cost you a lot more then I could afford.

Keep up the good work forget about the complainers. They would probably ***** if you hung them with a golden rope!:cool:
 
By the way HOE (the other guy that posted not you Michelle) that sled that you put a link to comparing to this one has not sold and is down to $18,500. I don't think that's too far off from the mid teens. Did you even look at the ad before posting? Just trying to be reasonable. Hey if all proceeds go to saws and I'm sure they will everyone wins.

RF

That sled isn't even CLOSE to Brads in design,HP or parts on it. If I am not mistaken that was Jason Borups old sled from last year. I bet he paid more then 20 bucks for it.......
 
I didn't see a list of parts like that one has on it for the one in the raffle. Sorry. I assumed it has a stock tunnel/rear suspension, no fox floats up front etc. Whatever. I know you think the raffle sled it worth WAY MORE. I'm trying to keep your sig line in mind, but I'm having trouble seeing it your way. That's ok. GENERALLY not speaking of you or this particular raffle. That is why they are put on to raise awareness, promote something or someone, etc. Atleast you are keeping it ttt.

RF
 
I didn't see a list of parts like that one has on it for the one in the raffle. Sorry. I assumed it has a stock tunnel/rear suspension, no fox floats up front etc. Whatever. I know you think the raffle sled it worth WAY MORE. I'm trying to keep your sig line in mind, but I'm having trouble seeing it your way. That's ok. GENERALLY not speaking of you or this particular raffle. That is why they are put on to raise awareness, promote something or someone, etc. Atleast you are keeping it ttt.

RF

Did ya look at the back of your ticket or read the VERY first post in this thread? Price a Z-Brothers front end COMPLETE and then compare it to some Fox's.....and that's just the front end! If you have every been in retail you would understand my sig!!!!!
 
The Raffle is Officially OPEN. Raffle sponsored by the Baker City Elks Lodge #338
You can buy tickets by calling me @ 541-523-3500 or sending me a check,cashiers check,money order and a self address stamped envelope to:

Attn:Michelle
Oregon Trail Sports
1925 Auburn Ave
Baker City,Or 97814

Drawing will be held in Baker City on Dec 12 you need not be present to win. Brad will be here to draw the winning ticket and all tickets will have date and time and place of the drawing. With a accurate and fair market discription of ALL the prizes.

If you choose to call me and pay with a debit card there will be a 2.00 charge for handling and mailing of your raffle tickets.
Tickets are 20.00 each with no minimum or maximum.
We are only selling 1500 tickets.
Good Luck and thanks to all the peeps who have helped me make this possible you know who you are!
All Proceedes over the price of sled will goto SAWS.

Michelle

I did read the VERY first post on this thread SEVERAL times. Doesn't have a list. No I didn't even think to look at the back of the tickets. I now have. Nice list. Did you notice the other sled has a lightweight front end TOO. Now we are arguing quality of aftermarket parts. It doesn't matter I surrender to you. You win. The raffle sled is worth $25000 saws is getting a great donation. All the parts on it are way better than any other. It was built by the only man that can build a mod sled perfectly. It's better than new. The feds will get a nice chunk of tax money. Some lucky soul will get a mod sled worth at the very least $25,000 for their investment in raffle tickest plus their tax liability. And last but not least you are a Saint for pouring you hard work and effort into such a noble effort and having to put up with idiots asking questions. We thank you.

RF
 
I did read the VERY first post on this thread SEVERAL times. Doesn't have a list. No I didn't even think to look at the back of the tickets. I now have. Nice list. Did you notice the other sled has a lightweight front end TOO. Now we are arguing quality of aftermarket parts. It doesn't matter I surrender to you. You win. The raffle sled is worth $25000 saws is getting a great donation. All the parts on it are way better than any other. It was built by the only man that can build a mod sled perfectly. It's better than new. The feds will get a nice chunk of tax money. Some lucky soul will get a mod sled worth at the very least $25,000 for their investment in raffle tickest plus their tax liability. And last but not least you are a Saint for pouring you hard work and effort into such a noble effort and having to put up with idiots asking questions. We thank you.

RF

Ya know what, i am half tempted to just send you your money back. Did i start this BS NOOOOO!!! That would be Mr PoopChuteRider not me. But you sure are having a fun time slamming my AZZ. Your name says it all you must have taken a class in sarcastic jerk 101. I WAS TALKING ABOUT MY FIRST THREAD!!!!!!!

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154440

Just curious how many custom turbo sleds have you bought and paid for? Or built yourself and just how many man hours you would guess was into a sled of this or any other equal caliber. You have the list why don't YOU go on a little shoppong spree and just add all this stuff up. See what U come up with Mr Smarty pants i don't think you know what the hell your talking about!!

This is my last response on this matter if Mr Fink wants to keep it up then thats on him. I AM DONE responding to this crap if you don't want a ticket DONT BUY ONE!!! I am not splitting hairs with guys who have no idea what they are talking about.
 
My final note on this is, anyone worried about the so called "Tax Liability" on this sled needs to contact Michelle and talk to her about it. Mr. Fink has no idea what he is talking about where the taxes on the winnings are concerned. The Raffle is being sponsored by a Non-Profit and their tax attorney has been involved in how the transfer of ownership will occur and what if any taxes will apply.
 
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I didn't really care if I won it or not. Just wanted to make the contribution.

Don't post here again...who made you God. Wow what a place. :(

RF



If you care so much, let me buy your tickets, and then I will donate the sled back if I win with those tickets...

Dont like having people call you on your comments...don't make them...cant handle the push back, quit instigating...

no one forced you to post...
no one forced you to reply
no one forced you to buy the tickets...

Simple...dont want the tax implications...dont buy the tickets...

Your not worth the energy to post in regards to...welcome to the ignore list...
 
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WOW, the balls of some people!!!!

No need for a refund. I'm happy with making my contribution. I'm sure I have no shot at winning it anyway. (Especially now!;)) By the way have you checked into the tax liability? I'm right aren't I? In theory if I won the sled I would be paying tax for it on this years taxes?

Just because I asked a question that means I'm not a nice man? Sorry if I ruined you opinion of me.

By the way how many tix do you have left? I may want to scue my chances at winning!:eek:

RF

I would suggest giving ZERO tax advice to anyone...It is not Michelle's obligation to worry about the tax implications...It is the purchaser of the raffle...

Had you done your own research you would have known that, instead you chose to pretend to be an internet tough guy...

Now, as to the issue I put in bold above...your kidding I assume right?

If not, that would be defamation/libel...and since this is the internet, it is interstate thus making it a federal issue for which those nasty little things called Subpoena's can be issued and identities found out...

but since your an internet tough guy, I am sure you know that, and now that you have been advised...I would suggest you either delete that post, and any that in ANY way cast dispersion on the character, and or reputation of the person and/or businesses conducting the raffle, as it is something that if Michelle chooses to pursue...I am QUITE confident of the legal outcome...
 
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Now, as to the issue I put in bold above...your kidding I assume right?

If not, that would be defamation/libel...and since this is the internet, it is interstate thus making it a federal issue for which those nasty little things called Subpoena's can be issued and identities found out...

but since your an internet tough guy, I am sure you know that, and now that you have been advised...I would suggest you either delete that post, and any that in ANY way cast dispersion on the character, and or reputation of the person and/or businesses conducting the raffle, as it is something that if Michelle chooses to pursue...I am QUITE confident of the legal outcome...[/QUOTE]

Are you an attorney? If you are, then the last sentence I'll buy, but if you're not keep your opiniions to yourself. Or does that only apply to everyone but you? As for your little comment on "casting dispersion on the character, and or reputation of the person", I think that could go both ways. Since MICHELLE has handled this in such a "PROFESSIONAL" manner, I think she's "cast dispersion" too!

It's pretty funny how someone can ask a simple question about a RAFFLE (for God's sake) and people get all bent out of shape and defensive. It's.......kind of like........maybe......somebody has something to hide or didn't layout their "plan" to pocket $25,000 for a used sled and make a very nice, charitable, contribution to SAWS.

FYI, this is out of the IRS publication Pub. 3079 (4-98) Cat. No. 25706L:

Withholding and Backup Withholding​
Organizations need to understand the withholding and
backup withholding rules for games such as bingo,
pull-tabs and raffles. “Instant Bingo” or “Mini Bingos”
are considered pull-tab games, not regular bingo
games. Raffles are considered lotteries for the
purpose of withholding and backup withholding.
Withholding on gambling winnings, including backup
withholding, is reported on Form 945, Annual Return of
Withheld Federal Income Tax.

Withholding​
Withholding refers to the regular withholding of income​
tax from prizes paid. This withholding is required at the
rate of 28%.

Non-cash prizes​
If the prize is not cash, the fair market value of the
item won is considered the amount of the winnings.
The withholding and backup withholding rates, if
required, are applied to the fair market value of the
item won. The amount to be withheld should be
collected from the prize winner.

Example 15:​
M purchased a $1 ticket for a
raffle conducted by X, an organization exempt
from income tax under section 501(c). On
October 31, the drawing was held and M won
$6,000. Since the proceeds from the wager
are greater than $5,000 ($6,000 minus the $1
cost of the ticket), X must withhold $1,679.72
($5,999 x 28%) from M’s winnings.
If X fails to withhold, it will be liable for the tax.
In this example, if X fails to withhold the
$1,679.72 before the prize is distributed, X is

liable for that amount.

So, let's assume M is someone from the Forums and X is Michelle, according to the IRS M will owe "the "fair" market value (not new value on a used sled, I'm coming in late, it is used isn't it?) x 28%" which could go one of two ways, either the "stated" new value of $25,000 or a value that more reflects today's "fair" market of say $15,000. So, $25,000 x 28%= $7,000 or $15,000 x 28%= $4200.

Also, one small side note for Michelle, you'll want to collect that amount, what ever it is, when the winner picks up the sled, because if they happen not to pay, you will be liable. That would really suck!

Anyhow, I think everyone needs to take a chill pill and maybe act a bit more professional. Some of you sound like our wonderful liberal democrats that jump down people's throat when asked a simple and direct question. I hope that wasn't too Un-American of me.

Anyway, you all have a great night and I look forward to more colorful debate on this or any other subject.

Sincerely,
Semi:):beer;
 
OMG you scare me MT.

No I don't mind at all people "calling me" on my comments. Nor should anyone else. I don't feel I need to delete any of my comments. You guys need to lighten up.

Actually I wasn't going to respond anymore being FA was done with it so am I, but I will respond to no I didn't see her "original" post. This was the first thread I had read about the raffle. I actually had no idea she tried selling it in the swap meet and couldn't so decided to raffle it. I thought she was talking about the first post to this thread.

As a final I hold no ill will toward any of you. I'm not the one who has been swearing and name calling. I don't need a refund I was thinking it was a contribution to a good cause.

RF
 
I want you all to know that do to the stress of these many posts I am standing in the corner sucking my thumb......peace out.....
 
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