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Bilers for Obama--Important notice!!

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I disagree that Obama is the one to lead us out of this mess, but I respect your opinion. I just don't see how he thinks we're going to pay for all the programs he wants to implement.

dems are all about more and more gov. and thus more and more debt. and although they preach less taxes how on earth will they pay for the programs??
 
Yeah, that is a real bipartisan site!! Nice.


those are your words^^^. buuuuut your site isnt bipartisan... riiiiggghhht!

from what i see that graph shows exactly the problem. reagan and bush inherited one of the worst presidents ever.. clinton profited from one of the best presidents in history and yes now bush is dealing with the fruit of the clinton policies.

alright i will be fair... i still stand by my observation^^^... yes gwb has been a big spender and i dont like it!
 
This guy is right. And a point I have made. Do you think McCain will veto the bill? And if he did, it would go back to Congress and they would put in some earmarks or something to make McCain happy, then we all lose.

Look, we need to get more money into the lobbyists than the Sierra Club and similar idiots bring in. But sledders, dirt bike and ATV riders are not that active in this stuff. Me included.

More importantly, who will McCain propose for Chief of Interior, and the Department of Agriculture. Whether Wilderness Bills come to either president's desk to sign, is a function of the House and Senate, and their subcommittees. And, with the composition of the legislative, Wilderness Bills are on the horizon. McCain has been said, to see himself in the light of Teddy Roosevelt, national parks and all. He wouldn't mind closing land (ie. saving the land :mad:). It will happen, he will want to leave some legacy behind.

Talking heads are mentioning Obama might pick Norm Dicks of Washington state and George Miller of California, both are liberal environmentalist. They also mention Brian Schweitzer, ex Montana Governor. They can repeat the Clinton era cleaning of all conservative forest and BLM managers. This did more to take land from s that anything. Interpretation of the rules, such as RWA and WSA, can create more defacto wilderness than congress has the stomach to do.

The same talking heads mention former Wyoming Gov. James Geringer, former Utah Gov. Michael Leavitt, and former Montana Gov. Marc Racicot, coming from McCain. And, Palin might be there to help guide a little. These guys might be better for us.

Also look for the Roadless Rules to fully reinstated, with Wilderness being a major requirement.
 
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Yeah, that is a real bipartisan site!! Nice.


those are your words^^^. buuuuut your site isnt bipartisan... riiiiggghhht!

from what i see that graph shows exactly the problem. reagan and bush inherited one of the worst presidents ever.. clinton profited from one of the best presidents in history and yes now bush is dealing with the fruit of the clinton policies.

alright i will be fair... i still stand by my observation^^^... yes gwb has been a big spender and i dont like it!

Was being lazy. Here is the actual website:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

Total Change During Tenure
9/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.40 4,217,261,484,712.34 Bush II
9/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06 1,395,974,529,060.68 Clinton
9/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38 1,554,057,922,952.06 Bush I
9/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32 1,859,575,960,187.32 Reagan
9/30/1981 997,855,000,000.00 299,015,000,000.00 Carter
9/30/1977 698,840,000,000.00 345,119,746,158.59 Nixon/Ford
6/30/1969 353,720,253,841.41 64,749,315,231.36 Kennedy/Johnson
6/30/1961 288,970,938,610.05

Who looks like tax and spend? Clinton's 8 years increased less than Bush I's 4 years and less than Reagan's.
 
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Wait until obama gets done spending money on all of his sweet heart deals. Oreilly said today the deficite would be 5 Trillion if oblubber would make 2 terms. What do the dumb demmys say to that? Esp when the unemployment lines are long.
 
Yeah, that is a real bipartisan site!! Nice.


those are your words^^^. buuuuut your site isnt bipartisan... riiiiggghhht!

from what i see that graph shows exactly the problem. reagan and bush inherited one of the worst presidents ever.. clinton profited from one of the best presidents in history and yes now bush is dealing with the fruit of the clinton policies.

alright i will be fair... i still stand by my observation^^^... yes gwb has been a big spender and i dont like it!

NICE!!! How many remember the Carter years? Or that Reagan brought some b@lls back to the White House. Then the halocaust set in motion by Clinton. Too bad Roe v. Wade wasn't around in 1960. We might not be going through this now
 
More importantly, who will McCain propose for Chief of Interior, and the Department of Agriculture. Whether Wilderness Bills come to either president's desk to sign, is a function of the House and Senate, and their subcommittees. And, with the composition of the legislative, Wilderness Bills are on the horizon. McCain has been said, to see himself in the light of Teddy Roosevelt, national parks and all. He wouldn't mind closing land (ie. saving the land :mad:). It will happen, he will want to leave some legacy behind.

Talking heads are mentioning Obama might pick Norm Dicks of Washington state and George Miller of California, both are liberal environmentalist. They also mention Brian Schweitzer, ex Montana Governor. They can repeat the Clinton era cleaning of all conservative forest and BLM managers. This did more to take land from s that anything. Interpretation of the rules, such as RWA and WSA, can create more defacto wilderness than congress has the stomach to do.

The same talking heads mention former Wyoming Gov. James Geringer, former Utah Gov. Michael Leavitt, and former Montana Gov. Marc Racicot, coming from McCain. And, Palin might be there to help guide a little. These guys might be better for us.

Also look for the Roadless Rules to fully reinstated, with Wilderness being a major requirement.

You are only a state away and you are saying "ex-gov Schweitzer"? He is running now. Sorry, you just lost credibility right there.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/10/24/news/state/21-poll.txt
 
I don't get this.

Like thats going to be the cure all in an Obama administration and a supermajority in both houses....Daaaa join brc. He who controls this....controls the legislation that passes through. In other words..we're screwed.

I'll bet anyone that within two years, we'll lose riding in the national parks.
 
Like thats going to be the cure all in an Obama administration and a supermajority in both houses....Daaaa join brc. He who controls this....controls the legislation that passes through. In other words..we're screwed.

I'll bet anyone that within two years, we'll lose riding in the national parks.

We'll be lucky if we aren't confined to trail riding only, in the national forest. The national parks are goners.
 
wow 2001400ex is making me loose faith in society, are people getting fukin retarded. I think anyone who disagrees with 2001 should be able to kick him stright in the box if nobama F's this country to dog chit. wow:eek:
 
kssnow,
Thanks,thats what I was talking about. The President does not have the power to just make what ever he wants happen. It's why we have branches of government. You and the other guy explained it better.

No one is going to take away our right to own guns. It would be the 2nd Revolutionary War. Not gonna happen.

I would bet you $100 that you're wrong but in 30 years when it happens a $100 bill will be worth nothing.
 
wow 2001400ex is making me loose faith in society, are people getting fukin retarded. I think anyone who disagrees with 2001 should be able to kick him stright in the box if nobama F's this country to dog chit. wow:eek:

I wil take you up on that! But then I get to kick all ya'll in the junk if I am right!
 
Hey 2001400. One lady she is a rep in helena. She said if oblubber wins Brian will become Energy Sec. for obama. Bolinger becomes Gov. Time will tell, So i call him x Gov.
 
How does the Supreme Court have the ability to restrict riding areas? The president does have a say whether you realize it or not. I owned your *** on this topic whether you admit it or not.

Pretty sure I already admitted to it in a different post. I am now your slave. You want cream in your coffee, sir?

I'll bet you $100 that we will always be able to ride in our National Forests.
 
it would go back to Congress and they would put in some earmarks or something to make McCain happy, then we all lose.

McCain is strongly against earmarks and he has never put an earmark into a bill. Sounds hard to believe with the elected officials we have today. :rolleyes: .....but it's true.
 
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