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Character, Morals and truly want posterity of america. has nothing to do with dems or repubs...If that were the case we wouldblt be fight about Red states or Blue states.

You can't accept much character or morals as long as America is a "melting pot" of foriegners who left there foriegn country with a no morals & no character and to only prosper OFF the USA by any means they know how......America has be SOLD OUT by democrat and republican policy makers.

And as for OBAMA he is a puppet for the democrat army. If you just landed on the USA you might think Bill Clinton is running again for office.

Obama talks the talk but has yet to be tested if he can walk the walk.

You can not INCREASE NATIONAL DEBT and CUT TAX. The USA is in huge debt and every tax payer in america will be paying for it.....Who's going to be paying for the phugging BAIL OUT that just occured 2 weels ago ???? .....

By the way every democrat & republican policy maker screwed every US Citizen.

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well said and i totally agree!
 
Glenn Beck is the same guy that says "it is proven time and time again that when you cut taxes it brings in MORE revenue. When you raise taxes, it brings in LESS revenue"

Tell me where that is PROVEN. Please just one person show me that EVIDENCE. Not some reporter or economist. In the last 20 years, we had Clinton raise taxes in 1993 and Bush cut taxes in 2002 and 2003. So the evidence one way or another is there.

And for Olbermann, I really haven't watched him, just a couple times this past week. He is just as liberal as Beck is conservative. I am just saying, watch both sides, and Fox is not both sides. And how do you know Beck's bosses are liberal? Show me evidence on that. I know O'Reilly spouts that ABC, NBC and the like are, but I have never heard him say CNN.

Come ya'll support your "facts." I am anxiously waiting.

From the mouths of the most conservative media (and who better should know), they vote Ted Turner the worst liberal bias.

Ted Turner, the Winner!!!!!

There, my link versus your emotional statement.
 
Glenn Beck is the same guy that says "it is proven time and time again that when you cut taxes it brings in MORE revenue. When you raise taxes, it brings in LESS revenue"

Tell me where that is PROVEN. Please just one person show me that EVIDENCE. Not some reporter or economist. In the last 20 years, we had Clinton raise taxes in 1993 and Bush cut taxes in 2002 and 2003. So the evidence one way or another is there.

And for Olbermann, I really haven't watched him, just a couple times this past week. He is just as liberal as Beck is conservative. I am just saying, watch both sides, and Fox is not both sides. And how do you know Beck's bosses are liberal? Show me evidence on that. I know O'Reilly spouts that ABC, NBC and the like are, but I have never heard him say CNN.

Come ya'll support your "facts." I am anxiously waiting.

do you have mud in your ears(metaphorically speaking)? you just do not get it do you? im trying to slow the bleeding here....we will get to the same place with mccain as obama, just at a slower pace. hence more time to try and change things. you act as though im a fan of mccain????:rolleyes:

the only facts you see are BLUE!!! you didnt answer my ?'s... why? im starting to think you know nothing of the history of socialism and yet act as though you do. obama clearly ESPOUSES marxist tenets. do i think he is a terrorist... NO? its not obama im concerned about, its those who he has made alliances with. please, mister fact man, show me the khalidi/mccain relationship is equal to or greater than obama. tick tock
 
do you have mud in your ears(metaphorically speaking)? you just do not get it do you? im trying to slow the bleeding here....we will get to the same place with mccain as obama, just at a slower pace. hence more time to try and change things. you act as though im a fan of mccain????:rolleyes:

the only facts you see are BLUE!!! you didnt answer my ?'s... why? im starting to think you know nothing of the history of socialism and yet act as though you do. obama clearly ESPOUSES marxist tenets. do i think he is a terrorist... NO? its not obama im concerned about, its those who he has made alliances with. please, mister fact man, show me the khalidi/mccain relationship is equal to or greater than obama. tick tock

"Judges included Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Steve Forbes, Brent Bozell and other distinguished conservatives."

That right there shows that article means nothing. Good thought though, Wade.

What questions didn't I answer? Let me know and I will. I don't have a pile of time to respond to everything. It's like 10-1 in here.

And I posted the tax return where the organization that McCain was chairman of gave $450,000 to Khalidi's organization. All Obama did was in 2003 speak at one of his events. They both live in Chicago, your point?

And if you want to go with who spoke where, I have said this several times, Palin spoke at the 2008 Independent party event. You know the party her and her husband used to belong to whose sole mission is to withdrawl from the union. Have you heard that on Fox News? Nope. But there is a youtube clip of it.
 
"Judges included Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Steve Forbes, Brent Bozell and other distinguished conservatives."

That right there shows that article means nothing. Good thought though, Wade.

What questions didn't I answer? Let me know and I will. I don't have a pile of time to respond to everything. It's like 10-1 in here.

And I posted the tax return where the organization that McCain was chairman of gave $450,000 to Khalidi's organization. All Obama did was in 2003 speak at one of his events. They both live in Chicago, your point?

And if you want to go with who spoke where, I have said this several times, Palin spoke at the 2008 Independent party event. You know the party her and her husband used to belong to whose sole mission is to withdrawl from the union. Have you heard that on Fox News? Nope. But there is a youtube clip of it.

I clearly stated it was voted on by conservative media types. They know the opposition when they see it. If Rosie told me Tom Seleck was the biggest conservative star, I'd believe her. She might actually know that.

I was in the shop setting up a cold cutting saw, and you came to mind. I'm thinking, what drives this guy. He says he's a sledder (ah, nobody's jumping on here to defend their riding partner), and he seems to understand tax stuff, and he says he's a CPA. Then while cutting a piece of scrap steel, to align the blade, it hit me like a FRACCING ROCK.

Your a tax consultant. Of course you support the Barack OberTax man. He is going to cause a HUGE wave of business for your kind. Upper middle class and rich people are going to flock to you for advice on how to best shelter their money. Your going to fraccing control their lives, and charge big fees. On the flip side, your going to get the ignorant people that have never filed a tax return, or don't know how to do a 1040EZ (or just too lazy), to maximize their <$5400 earned income credit, and other negative deductions. Your going to make a killing with Obama. Then you can offer quick return cash loans, and soak them for 21%. Their too in the moment to think about it. And, it's free money, so hay why not get the tax guy some. Freaking BRILLIANT man, I now understand why your saying what you are. Your just protecting your job.
 
I clearly stated it was voted on by conservative media types. They know the opposition when they see it. If Rosie told me Tom Seleck was the biggest conservative star, I'd believe her. She might actually know that.

I was in the shop setting up a cold cutting saw, and you came to mind. I'm thinking, what drives this guy. He says he's a sledder (ah, nobody's jumping on here to defend their riding partner), and he seems to understand tax stuff, and he says he's a CPA. Then while cutting a piece of scrap steel, to align the blade, it hit me like a FRACCING ROCK.

Your a tax consultant. Of course you support the Barack OberTax man. He is going to cause a HUGE wave of business for your kind. Upper middle class and rich people are going to flock to you for advice on how to best shelter their money. Your going to fraccing control their lives, and charge big fees. On the flip side, your going to get the ignorant people that have never filed a tax return, or don't know how to do a 1040EZ (or just too lazy), to maximize their <$5400 earned income credit, and other negative deductions. Your going to make a killing with Obama. Then you can offer quick return cash loans, and soak them for 21%. Their too in the moment to think about it. And, it's free money, so hay why not get the tax guy some. Freaking BRILLIANT man, I now understand why your saying what you are. Your just protecting your job.

Actually that is a good thought. The only problem is I do not do tax returns for a living. I only do a handful for friends for basically free. Why do people associate CPAs with taxes? You do not need a CPA to do a tax return, but you do need one to sign off on responsibility for an audit. You see, I am an auditor that audits Tribal casinos mostly, with a few Tribal governments as well. I left alone the comment earlier where someone bashed the BIA, I did not want to get into that arguement because I know what the BIA does and what that money gets used for.

No, I have said it before, I do not think cutting taxes from the wealthy and corporations is good policy. That is the main factor. You see, I am for the greater good of the country. I voted for John Kerry even though his tax plan would have cost me more money. I do not make $250,000 a year so Obama's does not affect me.

I just want our country to be prosperous again like it was under Clinton. I am actually voting for a Republican for Congress, because like I said before, Congress has the most control over riding areas. Though with the 6 years of complete Republican control, our riding areas were still attacked.

And the part of my riding partners, like I said, I only get to go out about 5 times a year or so and the buddies I ride with do not care about politics. The couple people I have ridden with on here are not buddies, just people I have ridden with through this website.
 
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Actually that is a good thought. The only problem is I do not do tax returns for a living. I only do a handful for friends for basically free. Why do people associate CPAs with taxes? You do not need a CPA to do a tax return, but you do need one to sign off on responsibility for an audit. You see, I am an auditor that audits Tribal casinos mostly, with a few Tribal governments as well. I left alone the comment earlier where someone bashed the BIA, I did not want to get into that arguement because I know what the BIA does and what that money gets used for.

No, I have said it before, I do not think cutting taxes from the wealthy and corporations is good policy. That is the main factor. You see, I am for the greater good of the country. I voted for John Kerry even though his tax plan would have cost me more money. I do not make $250,000 a year so Obama's does not affect me.

I just want our country to be prosperous again like it was under Clinton. I am actually voting for a Republican for Congress, because like I said before, Congress has the most control over riding areas. Though with the 6 years of complete Republican control, our riding areas were still attacked.

And the part of my riding partners, like I said, I only get to go out about 5 times a year or so and the buddies I ride with do not care about politics. The couple people I have ridden with on here are not buddies, just people I have ridden with through this website.

I figured you for a corporate tax auditor. Oh well, the mystery of the Obama support lingers. What about not changing tax policies on the rich? So, why is it fair for the top 5% to make only 33% of the money, but pay 60% of the taxes?

$250K? I think that's $150K now, or maybe $125K, election isn't even over and the number's already falling fast. It'll be down to $100K before you know it.

The ONLY WAY the economy will prosper under Obama is if a new Internet style bubble develops overnight. Sorry, Clinton was the benefactor of a totally new emerging market, and a subsequent stock market boom. Not, his leadership and intelligence. Now I will agree he did help the stock market grow, by constantly over stating growth and spending and GDP numbers every single time. But other than that, all he did was allow the stock market to overheat, which was financed by the booming overheated real estate market, which is were we are today.
 
Glenn Beck is the same guy that says "it is proven time and time again that when you cut taxes it brings in MORE revenue. When you raise taxes, it brings in LESS revenue"

Tell me where that is PROVEN. Please just one person show me that EVIDENCE. Not some reporter or economist. In the last 20 years, we had Clinton raise taxes in 1993 and Bush cut taxes in 2002 and 2003. So the evidence one way or another is there.


Come ya'll support your "facts." I am anxiously waiting.


March 1991 -- March 2001
Tax Revenues increased from $578 billion to $1,296.6. This is an overall increase of 124%. During this period, the capital gains rate decreased from 30% to 20% in the early 1997. The top marginal rate increased from 30% to 40% in the early to mid 1990s.

November 2001 - Present
Tax Revenues increased from $1,230 billion to $1,390.5. This is an overall increase of 13%. During this period, the capital gains rate decreased from 20 to 18% in 2003. The top marginal rate increased from 40 - 35% in the early to mid 1990s. (I'm eyeballing the chart)

Yes the Clinton years brought in more revenue but does that put more money in the hands of the people or the govt? I would rather have the people with money. Under Bushs tax rates revenues still increased but the people got to keep much more of their money.
If revenues are all that mattered then lets just go to 100% taxes across the board. That will raise revenues right? At least for a year..... The only way to get ahead is to start saving and cut back on spending. Lets cut out the pork and start a national savings plan. And no I dont care for Bushs spending habbits, other than the war which I believe was made much more expensive by democrap opposition. 911 brought us into a war on terror. Saddam was paying terrorist to blow up people. He had to be taken out and now we have another Democracy in the most dangerous part of the world.
 
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I figured you for a corporate tax auditor. Oh well, the mystery of the Obama support lingers. What about not changing tax policies on the rich? So, why is it fair for the top 5% to make only 33% of the money, but pay 60% of the taxes?

$250K? I think that's $150K now, or maybe $125K, election isn't even over and the number's already falling fast. It'll be down to $100K before you know it.

The ONLY WAY the economy will prosper under Obama is if a new Internet style bubble develops overnight. Sorry, Clinton was the benefactor of a totally new emerging market, and a subsequent stock market boom. Not, his leadership and intelligence. Now I will agree he did help the stock market grow, by constantly over stating growth and spending and GDP numbers every single time. But other than that, all he did was allow the stock market to overheat, which was financed by the booming overheated real estate market, which is were we are today.

Fairness and taxes? No tax structure is fair and this is where we are at, so the people that make the most are going to pay the most taxes, nothing we can do about it.

For the $250,000, then $150,000, you need to look at the quote. Biden said, we will cut taxes for those making under $150,000, which is consistent with what Obama says. The $250,000 is will not raise taxes, $150,000 is will get tax cut. You just take a number and do not look at the context. Nice try.

The housing boom did not start until low interest rates of 2002 and 2003. Check that out. Then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. And that is the only reason Bush's economy worked. Clinton had internet bubble, Bush had housing bubble, your point? Which one crashed harder?
 
March 1991 -- March 2001
Tax Revenues increased from $578 billion to $1,296.6. This is an overall increase of 124%. During this period, the capital gains rate decreased from 30% to 20% in the early 1997. The top marginal rate increased from 30% to 40% in the early to mid 1990s.

November 2001 - Present
Tax Revenues increased from $1,230 billion to $1,390.5. This is an overall increase of 13%. During this period, the capital gains rate decreased from 20 to 18% in 2003. The top marginal rate increased from 40 - 35% in the early to mid 1990s. (I'm eyeballing the chart)

Yes the Clinton years brought in more revenue but does that put more money in the hands of the people or the govt? I would rather have the people with money. Under Bushs tax rates revenues still increased but the people got to keep much more of their money.
If revenues are all that mattered then lets just go to 100% taxes across the board. That will raise revenues right? At least for a year..... The only way to get ahead is to start saving and cut back on spending. Lets cut out the pork and start a national savings plan. And no I dont care for Bushs spending habbits, other than the war which I believe was made much more expensive by democrap opposition. 911 brought us into a war on terror. Saddam was paying terrorist to blow up people. He had to be taken out and now we have another Democracy in the most dangerous part of the world.

Thanks for disproving the theory that when you cut taxes it brings in more revenue. I still like how you tried to justify it. Can you just please put rational thought into it? You are looking at facts that disprove the whole trickle down theory, yet you still believe it is true. And using an extreme case of raising taxes to 100%. How about cutting taxes to zero, and see how you like your non-existent police force, fire, no roads maintenance, no schools, etc.

For the war, I did not and still do not think we should have distracted ourselves from getting Bin Ladin. Iraq was not an immediate threat at that point, yet Bin Ladin and Al Queda is. And for overthrowing Iraq, I do not believe we have the right to tell them what form of government to have. If we crash and China tells us we need a communism, what are you going to tell them?

Here is a list of who owns what:
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/07/07/who-owns-what-on-television/
 
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Fairness and taxes? No tax structure is fair and this is where we are at, so the people that make the most are going to pay the most taxes, nothing we can do about it.

For the $250,000, then $150,000, you need to look at the quote. Biden said, we will cut taxes for those making under $150,000, which is consistent with what Obama says. The $250,000 is will not raise taxes, $150,000 is will get tax cut. You just take a number and do not look at the context. Nice try.

The housing boom did not start until low interest rates of 2002 and 2003. Check that out. Then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. And that is the only reason Bush's economy worked. Clinton had internet bubble, Bush had housing bubble, your point? Which one crashed harder?

I believe the crash of the internet bubble, was masked by the housing bubble. We did go through a tuff couple of years, the last year of Clinton, and the first two of Bush. Had the housing bubble been first, the internet bubble would have masked it.

No, biden said "should go to middle class people -- people making under $150,000 a year."

And New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said. "What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those,"

Theirs a little disagreement about what the middle class is. That's all. The legislative will ultimately decide what the "middle class" is, and they will try to give them a tax break. The real question is what do most Democrats think the middle class is? Will it be below $100,000 by the time the legislation is crafted?

As for taxes not being fair, your right, it just seems to be fairer for some people, and a whole unfairer for others. I thought taxes could at least be equally unfair for all citizens.
 
I believe the crash of the internet bubble, was masked by the housing bubble. We did go through a tuff couple of years, the last year of Clinton, and the first two of Bush. Had the housing bubble been first, the internet bubble would have masked it.

No, biden said "should go to middle class people -- people making under $150,000 a year."

And New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said. "What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those,"

Theirs a little disagreement about what the middle class is. That's all. The legislative will ultimately decide what the "middle class" is, and they will try to give them a tax break. The real question is what do most Democrats think the middle class is? Will it be below $100,000 by the time the legislation is crafted?

As for taxes not being fair, your right, it just seems to be fairer for some people, and a whole unfairer for others. I thought taxes could at least be equally unfair for all citizens.

Bill Richardson has nothing to do with the campaign and is not even a Senator. Not sure why anything he says is relevant.

Don't worry, as I paid my $11,000 in federal last year, and I have paid in over $12,000 this year plus over $1,000 for my wife, I do a few tax returns for friends as I said. They all get several thousand dollars back, which is the entire amount they paid in plus the earned income credit. So, they get paid to be American citizens. But I also look at how they live and how I live, there is a difference, they make that choice.

That is the system and if the legislatures decide to make the limit $100,000, then so be it. I will pay my fair share.
 
Bill Richardson has nothing to do with the campaign and is not even a Senator. Not sure why anything he says is relevant.

Don't worry, as I paid my $11,000 in federal last year, and I have paid in over $12,000 this year plus over $1,000 for my wife, I do a few tax returns for friends as I said. They all get several thousand dollars back, which is the entire amount they paid in plus the earned income credit. So, they get paid to be American citizens. But I also look at how they live and how I live, there is a difference, they make that choice.

That is the system and if the legislatures decide to make the limit $100,000, then so be it. I will pay my fair share.

I won't even tell you what my tax bill is. It's depressing. I'm not ashamed at my success, I'm mad that people naturally assume that since I've earned it, I somehow owe it to them. At least if it was charity, they'd have to look me in the eye when I handed them a stack of G bills.

Like I told my friend, when the government comes, with their guns, to collect your taxes, you'll pay, or you'll go to jail. Or, worse. So, pay it, and wait till enough people get mad enough to stand up and say no. If that day ever comes.
 
"Judges included Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Steve Forbes, Brent Bozell and other distinguished conservatives."

That right there shows that article means nothing
. Good thought though, Wade.

What questions didn't I answer? Let me know and I will. I don't have a pile of time to respond to everything. It's like 10-1 in here.

And I posted the tax return where the organization that McCain was chairman of gave $450,000 to Khalidi's organization. All Obama did was in 2003 speak at one of his events. They both live in Chicago, your point?

And if you want to go with who spoke where, I have said this several times, Palin spoke at the 2008 Independent party event. You know the party her and her husband used to belong to whose sole mission is to withdrawl from the union. Have you heard that on Fox News? Nope. But there is a youtube clip of it.

BLOVIATION! :rolleyes: ooo you said it doesnt mean nothing.... there it is snowest folks.... nothing left to talk about in here. he spoke into existence!:rolleyes:
 
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What do you think about this trick by the Republicans? See the actual document at the bottom of the page.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/10/bogus-robocall.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp


what do you know about "seeing"? pull it out man and stop drinking the koolaid.

that site is totally bogus and cannot be trusted:rolleyes:. sound familiar? now i ask you to see... looky looky. i can just here you crying now... that site isnt true boo hoo hoo. two can play that bs game comrade.. oops.... did i just type that. dang fear mongering coming out again. were you on the original oj siimpson jury by chance??

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/stealing_the_presidency_an_oba.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/post_20.html
 
what do you know about "seeing"? pull it out man and stop drinking the koolaid.

that site is totally bogus and cannot be trusted:rolleyes:. sound familiar? now i ask you to see... looky looky. i can just here you crying now... that site isnt true boo hoo hoo. two can play that bs game comrade.. oops.... did i just type that. dang fear mongering coming out again. were you on the original oj siimpson jury by chance??

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/stealing_the_presidency_an_oba.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/post_20.html

Do you think Mickey Mouse can vote? Come on, there is a difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud. And just because Obama had some donations to ACORN over the years does not mean he helped or knew about the registration fraud. This was done by a small number of employees that did not meet the quota and used fake names.
 
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