Hi everyone. This is NWGC. I was told by a fellow rider that the barricade on Canyon Creek was placed (I have not seen it with my own eyes). I know how most of your feel about this (myself included) but please remember that this IS NOT a snowmobile closure and the FS has left enough room for sleds to get by. The Closure is only to Vehicles. Our area is still open so please respect the barricade and do not move it. Thank you
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I saw with my own eyes... Forest Service was up there at the beginning of the week, and had to wait till everyone was down from bear paw (there were guys up riding) and then they moved in the boulders and concrete blocks. The blockade is at roughly ~2000 ft, according to the weather this coming week we're getting snow in the low lands (Sumas,Lynden) so hopfully there is enough snow at the blockade that we can ride from there!
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paulharris
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please don't get mad at me for saying this, but, without a doubt this is the start of a permanent closure. i have seen this M.O. by the FS in Colorado and Washington. they have an agenda to close routes and can not be trusted to their word. they will lie with no shame to carry out that agenda. this is a raw deal, and it is indeed a snowmobile closure, everyone knows 90% of the time there is not enough snow to ride this low. Its no coincidence that the barricades are going up right at the beginning of snowmobile season. Its a big mistake to think the FS will be loyal to the clubs wishes for the future. This barricade will set precedent to close the 2 roads up above, which was their original intention. to be soft with them is a guarantee to lose.
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tar
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I agree 100%. The roads been "closed" all summer and fall, people been driving around the rocks. I have seen people hiking,camping,fishing and hunting. Now when the first snow flake falls it gets closed.
There is something going on, I'll be surprised if it reopens.
Well at least I got 30 years of enjoyment out of this area. In those 30 years not much has changed all the tress are alive,I see deer and other animals,the lake is still clear.
The local club can't see this coming.
Tar.
I'm not sur why conservative minded people with degrees do not work for ecology or Forest service . O I forgot it's a government job .
So now the gronola chokers run everything from baker to bachelor .
We have the cleanest engines in the history of the USA in our pickup s
Sleds , sno cats. Yet it's still not good enough
So now the gronola chokers run everything from baker to bachelor .
We have the cleanest engines in the history of the USA in our pickup s
Sleds , sno cats. Yet it's still not good enough
The Whatcom snowmobile club has been actively engaged with the FS trying to deal with this closure through proper channels. I've heard that other people outside of the club are looking at the legality of how the FS went about the closure, proposals, public review and comment. To say that we don't see it coming is wrong. Our next meeting is tomorrow night at 7pm at Round Table Pizza in Sunset Square in Bellingham, if anyone wants to know what we're doing please join us for a good discussion of what's going on in our neck of the woods.
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paulharris
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Its always good to have a dialogue with FS, a few district rangers are genuine and honest, however it appears that in this instance the FS is deceiving and stringing the club along, when in reality it is implementing these 2 upper road closures full steam ahead, with no intention to reverse that. As i have stated before, this is the M.O. of the FS.....exactly what is happening here. I would strongly suggest organizing a work party to re-open the road ASAP. It is critical not to let the FS get precedent here, and not wait too long. The FS could be notified of the work party as a tactic and this will force a meaningful dialogue right there on site. There would need to be at least 25 people or more and a mini excavator depending on the size of the blocks. These are the only type of tactics that make the FS "listen". Remember, the FS has an agenda, and a directive to close routes by an administration that is in bed with the sierra club, WWA, WTA, and many others. This is an awesome riding area, a truly special place. So great that i will make the trip to be there if a work party is scheduled. Its a civic duty. And as i have also stated before, being soft with the FS is a guarantee to lose. are there 24 or more people that are willing to take a stand to keep this area, or will you let the FS eliminate your right to access your own public land? this would not be the first time a work party has happened for a road closure.....we did it successfully in Colorado. If you never saw the youtube clip on the other thread....see link below. Its eerily similar to what is going on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joQzpWC-gCo
I'm In.
Wish there was more younger folks that spoke up, since it will affect them and younger generations the most. But we need to act and prevent them, on getting their grip on what belongs to all of us.
The protection/conservation agenda needs to work for most, not for the few.
Wish there was more younger folks that spoke up, since it will affect them and younger generations the most. But we need to act and prevent them, on getting their grip on what belongs to all of us.
The protection/conservation agenda needs to work for most, not for the few.
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tar
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tar
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We've gone thru the same thing on the East side. The forest circus will just string the clubs along for years, and then do what they are going to do anyway. They did the same thing here with the snowmobile clubs and the ATV clubs, strung them along for years and then closed the trails/roads anyway for "safety". Those roads/trails will never re-open...period. Having meetings is fine, but nothing ever happens as a result. I've been in many clubs and been on boards and gone to tons of meetings and presented facts/figures, legal precedence, maps etc... to the forest circus and it was all just pissing in the wind. The ONLY they will respond to is people taking it in their own hands to re-opening trails/roads on their own. That forces the FS to address the issues and actually listen to the user groups. They have to be reminded that these forests are OUR forests and they are MULTIPLE USE! Good luck over there, hope you can make some better progress than we have made over here.
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n16ht5
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after calling, emailing, and leaving messages with Erin Uloth and the district with NEVER a reply or even a phone conversation I have come to the conclusion that there is no respect from that district of FS. I'm all in for civil disobedience at this point, they have pushed us there very blatantly.
Sorry to tell you guys . Gronola chokers do not care , nor do they take the
Snowmobilers seriously . You are the enemy . Uphill battle , Washington
Is overrun with people who do not believe we have the right to access trails
On forest service land . It's unforuntanate that people run these agency's believe that you Can't actually take responsibility while in these magnificent Mountains in our backyard .
Snowmobilers seriously . You are the enemy . Uphill battle , Washington
Is overrun with people who do not believe we have the right to access trails
On forest service land . It's unforuntanate that people run these agency's believe that you Can't actually take responsibility while in these magnificent Mountains in our backyard .
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paulharris
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6 people in so far, good start. need 19 or so more. Can someone take a picture of the blocks up there to get a sense of what would be involved to move them? Im assuming a mini or midi excavator would need to be hauled in, hopefully some construction/excavation guys are tuning in here.
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