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Anyone ridden an 09 XP vs. 09 M8 - no BS
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jhurkot
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after spending a lot of time on iq raw/m series sleds i dont know how anyone could possibly think that the xp is a better boondocking machine. i get such a kick out of skidoo die hards who call the other machines "unpredictable". it's actually just a sled that requires less rider input to make it do what you want it to. i can make an xp go where i want it to but it takes so much effort. however they are light weight and have excellent power.
isn't a 16 wide 154 supposed to be as good as a 162x15
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funny how this time it's an excuse eh? but next time it'll be the other way around.
These threads will always turn out the same.....
I enjoy my 09 M8. I like my dealer. Had a couple sour relations with the local BRP dealer long ago and even take my R6 elsewhere for work. For me to own something with a warranty, it was obvious who i was going to deal with.
I enjoy my 09 M8. I like my dealer. Had a couple sour relations with the local BRP dealer long ago and even take my R6 elsewhere for work. For me to own something with a warranty, it was obvious who i was going to deal with.
prolly shouldn't make a compro unless you've taken it home and tinkerd with it, tuned it up to your ride style and such.
To jump on a rental, or buddies sled it's going to feel weird. Same with dirtbikes...hell I jump on another sled just like mine and it feels weird too.
To jump on a rental, or buddies sled it's going to feel weird. Same with dirtbikes...hell I jump on another sled just like mine and it feels weird too.
Everyone obviously has their own opinion. I have an XP X and I have ridden a 2009 M8 sno pro for a good amount of time. The M8 sno pro has far superior suspension to an XP X. If you disagree, the M8 you rode is not set up right. (probably wrong air pressure in floats). Even the regular M8 has better suspension than the summit X.
The 2009 M series skid is an exact replica to the Holz skid. It also runs a float and zero pro which are very nice shocks. The valving in the cats needs some tewaking but is a failry cheap mod. That new powerclaw is a great track depending on where you ride.
The XP suspension (although I think so far it feels okay) is inferior when compared to the floats. This is one of the things I really wish Doo would change for 2010. I also can tell you the M series chassis does sidehill and lay over better than an XP if comparing stock to stock. For those of you who are used to XP's or the rev chassis you won't know what I am talking about. I came off an M series last year and like I mentioned now have an XP x model. I ride with other M series and hop back and forth from sled to sled.
Yes the cat is more reliable and yes it can be made comfortable. I went with an XP this year because I did not want to have to buy a boss seat and spend $$ to lighten up a new M series. The clutching on the XP is awful so money would have to be spent there. The M8 clutching just needs a few small things.
The XP to me is more advanced in the engineering department but that does not mean it is the best chassis for everyone. Some will never like it some will. It did not take me any time to get used to it either. I do think it is a bit more nimble when climbing and in tight areas than the M series, but once I really have to lay her over I prefer the M.
I will go back to Cat once they do some more redesigning of the hood/front end area. I do not like the huge m series hood that costs big $$ and does break easily in rollovers.
The 2009 M series skid is an exact replica to the Holz skid. It also runs a float and zero pro which are very nice shocks. The valving in the cats needs some tewaking but is a failry cheap mod. That new powerclaw is a great track depending on where you ride.
The XP suspension (although I think so far it feels okay) is inferior when compared to the floats. This is one of the things I really wish Doo would change for 2010. I also can tell you the M series chassis does sidehill and lay over better than an XP if comparing stock to stock. For those of you who are used to XP's or the rev chassis you won't know what I am talking about. I came off an M series last year and like I mentioned now have an XP x model. I ride with other M series and hop back and forth from sled to sled.
Yes the cat is more reliable and yes it can be made comfortable. I went with an XP this year because I did not want to have to buy a boss seat and spend $$ to lighten up a new M series. The clutching on the XP is awful so money would have to be spent there. The M8 clutching just needs a few small things.
The XP to me is more advanced in the engineering department but that does not mean it is the best chassis for everyone. Some will never like it some will. It did not take me any time to get used to it either. I do think it is a bit more nimble when climbing and in tight areas than the M series, but once I really have to lay her over I prefer the M.
I will go back to Cat once they do some more redesigning of the hood/front end area. I do not like the huge m series hood that costs big $$ and does break easily in rollovers.
For me its easy to decipher a true unbiased opinion.
Lets be real here though because we are always going to give the slight edge or benefit of the doubt to the manufacture that we currently own.
ALL of the manufactures produce good sleds, pick the one that suits you best.
Using a rental sled for a comparison is about as useful as asking a 16 year old kid who just got his first NEW sled which one he thinks is the best.
As far as the 09 M8 is concerned, I credit most of its performance gains from the previous year to the new track.
Lets be real here though because we are always going to give the slight edge or benefit of the doubt to the manufacture that we currently own.
ALL of the manufactures produce good sleds, pick the one that suits you best.
Using a rental sled for a comparison is about as useful as asking a 16 year old kid who just got his first NEW sled which one he thinks is the best.
As far as the 09 M8 is concerned, I credit most of its performance gains from the previous year to the new track.
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Bacon
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This is very true. That and the tunnel is the major improvement. If you would have asked this question last year, 08 xp to 08 M8, the xp would have been the clear winner. This year I would have to give the slight edge to the M8. Put a $1000.00 worth of mods on both sleds and the M8 is top dog!
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snowyo
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You obviuosly dont know how to ride.your sentence is like a candle burining at both ends.
If you stand back and look at the iq/raw chassis you'll see the rev is much narrower,doesnt sit as high in the saddle,therefore it's not as tippy......do the math.it's like the 3 bears .......and this one is just right....
i have yet to ride a the m8 but would welcome the chance...
I am a stanch DOO XP & Rev fan. But wanted to give a fair shake to the new M8, well we had the chance.
Wrecked my wifes XP the first day out at Cooke during New Years, so we rented a 09 M8 155 for her the first day, and a XP 600 Etech 144 the second day.
The results between the 2 could not have been more diverse. We are not trail riders, but after riding the M8 on the trail (heavily used and wash board bumps) back to Cooke, I had a headache, my back was thrown out, my neck was kinked, and I had to poop - all because of the BONE-jarring ride, without a doubt the worst handling/steering - roughest riding sled I have ever experienced, (Except for the Lumber wagon of H2otoyz
Second day we rode the Etec XP. From the moment we hit the throttle, its pedigree spoke loudly. For power, it equaled the M8 and it was only a 600, the ride was so different and smooth over the trail, I could hit 50 and not even think about it where on the same bumps with the M8 I would have to slow to 10mph just to be able to breathe! The sidehilling was instant and easy. An effortless wonderfull sled that we did not want to quit riding.
I honestly have to agree with this.........
My wife has a '07 600 sdi 144" with a mbrp can and the thing flat out rips! When my 800 was in for the first service i rode the 600 for a few days and went everywhere anyone else did in our group. No I didn't high mark any one but right there all day. A modded (pipe can clutched boondocker) 900 rmk 166 was the only thing I couldn't get too. But not far off. Everyone was very impressed to say the least and so was i.
The only thing they dont do is go very fast on the trail. Must have low gearing or somthing.
Chaz
I could not say what is better in a stock vs. stock comparison but I'd have to guess that the XP would be better in the power dept. The track on the '09 cats is excellent and really does work well. I have rode both the M8 and XP ('09's) with SLP exhaust and clutching. With SLP add on's, the M8 has my vote. And I'm a Polaris guy.....
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RideGuy
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First time I've never seen you bash the Poo..... I guess you had to copmpare it to a 600 Doo
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The last comment just made up my mind for me I have been dealing on 09 sleds with cat and doo I really thought I wanted to try an M1000 because I have always rode cats and liked them plus I weigh 260 lbs but Doo has a great program on the 09s right now and they are at an almost 3200$$ price gap. I realize im not comparing apples to apples but here in Canada Cat will gouge you as long as they can,(march 31 before a price change on 09's) and Doo as of right now and every new year begin releasing new programs on their current sleds. Any ways Im going with an xpee because of the dealer and the price I just hope this light sled will hold together with my weight on it. I have never been a fan of BRP and I cant quite believe I am making this purchase but I think the xp is a great mountain machine and when I get stuck and decide to roll it over to get out I dont have a 1000$$$ hood to worry about. I never liked the REV but I think with some saddle time I can grow to like the XP and if I dont like it I guess I can pick up an 09 M1000 in the fall for a better price. Am I retarded? Will the XP hold together with me on it?????? Lets hear your thoughts.
With all due respect... Koot-stomper on his 90 something phazer can follow all the boys around, hell, pretty sure i've even seen it climb out of the basement, out to the play pen, up the notch... But it still isn't a contender up in the deep stuff. It works good for what it is, and im sure a 600 doo doo works good for what it is, but if they were contenders up on the hill, wouldn't we all be riding them (still)?
I would like to try a new cat 800. I am a ski-doo guy but I will ride anything. I think a turboed cat would be fun. I was wondering what the handle bar and seat height are like on the 09s. I rode my buddies 1000 and that thing just sucks to ride. The seat feels like they could raise it 6inches and the handle bars feel like they need to come up 8. It was the worst steering sled i ever road. The turning radius is aweful. I think it is an 07. He has an ez ryde that jacks it up in the back so when you move back on the running boards it makes the handle bars seem that much lower. Have the 09 cats addressed these issues. My ski-doos will eat that thing for lunch but they have some money thrown at them. The cat is really fun in the trees. It is awesome to sidehill on. I like the fact you can lay the cat on it's side,going down a hill, to fit beween the trees and it keeps going straight. My ski-doo turns when you do that. It woould be hard to beat the cat in the trees. When it comes to narly boondocking it is more rider than sled.
My buddy just blew his turbo xp up. They are expensive to rebuild. I havn't rode an xp enough to like them. I am impressed at how well they run but I could ride a t-cat.
My buddy just blew his turbo xp up. They are expensive to rebuild. I havn't rode an xp enough to like them. I am impressed at how well they run but I could ride a t-cat.
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arctic matt
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This might be a tad off the subject, but I believe that the analogy is relevent so I'll try to keep it short. Back in the 90's my main activity was mtn. biking. The big thing for that back in the day was who had the lightest bike. I spent thousands, and thousands of dollars on everything from brake levers to wheel sets. After all that, I was the clear winner in my group and had the lightest bike. I was the happiest dude in the world. Once the bike was off the scale, and in the mountain, it was a nightmare. Sure I could climb up a cliff, but then I started folding my super lightweight chainrings into tacos, as well as my $1,500 wheelset, and that was even before we got to the downhill. I was terrified of even being on the bike when decending. Now, my new bike weighs double what my old bike did, and I brag about that. I have even replaced components out with beefier heavier ones, but I am no longer afraid to ride it like I was with my old one. Then there was the time when my brother's friend stuffed a chevy 383 stroker into an old mazda RX-7... no I won't go into that. Anyway, people will do all sorts of things to have bragging rights of owning the lightest "_______." But, once your main objective becomes lightweight at all costs... your going lose the durability,IMO. Anyway, I'm 6'0 and weigh in at somewhere just north of 230, without my gear on. I would love to ride an XP in the mountains, and I hear they are a blast to jump with, but before I buy one, I would like to see some longer real mtn. "testing" on that chasis by some bigger fella's. But now all that I care about is that my "heavy" m sled can (and has) taken some serious blows without a wimper. I would like to dump the stock seat for a boss though, not because of the weight loss of course, just that the stock seat does suck
Am I the only one that doesn't complain about the seat height on the M sleds? How many people actually sit on the seat when they are riding unless it's on the trail on the way to the truck? The whole it's easier to transition from sitting to standing when the seat is taller doesn't apply to me because I am standing, or have a knee in the seat before I get to the deep or soft or tuff spot. When the seat is too tall, it is harder to throw a leg over it to change sides quickly when I need to. Just wondering to myself.
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sledrush
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I have both,thay have their goods and bads,but I can say that the xp wears me out way faster than the a/c.On a long days ride,I am thankful for the M8.Both have great power and are clearly the top dogs in every category.Can't beat the Doo's power,if you can rip it.Again,both great sleds.
I have both,thay have their goods and bads,but I can say that the xp wears me out way faster than the a/c.On a long days ride,I am thankful for the M8.Both have great power and are clearly the top dogs in every category.Can't beat the Doo's power,if you can rip it.Again,both great sleds.
Sorry Dude, but that statement alone gives your review of the M8 no credability, whatsoever.
An M8 hard to get a ski up, how that is funny!
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