A little comparison.. Boosted Viper vs Boosted PRO

[christopher]

Your opinion is heavily biased and lacks credibility because of your ties to Yamaha. You don't have to keep trying to validate your "opinion" by claiming it's honest because we all would say the same thing if we were sponsored. I may have been born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.

A heavier version of the newest Cat chassis is better in the trees than the pro? Please....

Well, I have NO TIES to Yamaha and having my choice of ANY SLED on the market have freely chosen to buy FIVE YAMAHAS. And like her, I think rather HIGHLY of my Yamahas and their ability to run year after year without breaking with engines that are perfectly happy turning 25,000 miles AND don't have any issues with being BOOSTED to 250hp +++

I spent this afternoon installing a 270hp EVOPs turbo on my new Viper getting ready for a week of riding in British Columbia.

 

[icr]

And I value your opinion of yamahas more than hers, Christopher. Because as you said, you choose to buy yamaha. You thought it was best for your needs.

Brandy bought a Polaris when she was spending her own money because she thought it was best for her needs.

Now that yamaha is paying the bills, a viper is suddenly better for her, and we're supposed to believe it has nothing to do with the check from yamaha?

 

[Solarguy]

Brandy is just doing her job, and getting paid to ride a brand probably does change the way a sled feels. Most of us won't get a chance to demo that scenario, our opinions might be different if paid to ride. WTG Brandy.

 

[icr]

Brandy is just doing her job, and getting paid to ride a brand probably does change the way a sled feels. Most of us won't get a chance to demo that scenario, our opinions might be different if paid to ride. WTG Brandy.

I have no problems with that so long as she admits she's being paid to promote yamaha and not pretending it's her unbiased opinion. This site is full of advertisements one more won't hurt. But to act like she isn't biased by her paycheck insults the intelligence of her audience.

 

[Solarguy]

True

 

[polaris dude]

But come on guys seriously, we all know that the new direction the market is going for in the future is heavier with less power because it keeps you from getting as tired while staying in control.


Hey yamaha I'll take my sponshurship now thanks!

 

[Vern]

I once stated the very same thing most of you are getting at except about burandt and the pro and how his opinion can't be takin seriously where poo signs his paycheck and all kinds of poolaid drinkers jumped on my case defending his honor and that somehow they new his opinion had nothing to do with who payed his bills. Yet someone sponsored by another brand states they didn't like the feeling of the pro and they're opinion don't mean crap because of who pays there check. Weird.

 

[icr]

I don't value burandts opinion either. He said the m8 was gods gift to boondocking when arctic cat paid the bills. I don't believe he ever said that was his unbiased opinion though.

 

[polaris dude]

I once stated the very same thing most of you are getting at except about burandt and the pro and how his opinion can't be takin seriously where poo signs his paycheck and all kinds of poolaid drinkers jumped on my case defending his honor and that somehow they new his opinion had nothing to do with who payed his bills. Yet someone sponsored by another brand states they didn't like the feeling of the pro and they're opinion don't mean crap because of who pays there check. Weird.

I take the things he says with a grain of salt too. BUT he never made direct comparisons with other manufacturers saying how much better polaris is than any other sleds. He probably doesn't because he is aware that even if what he says is true he doesn't have the credibility for it. I like that he sticks to talking about the positives for polaris and lets his riding do the talking.

 

[ndC7M8]

I ride an RMK because:

1. I got sick of driving at least an hour to the nearest Cat dealer, 2 hours to the dealer where I actually purchased my last Cat.

2. I got more money to trade my Cat for a new '11 Pro than for another new Cat.

3. I know the guys at the Polaris dealer 7 miles away very well and like them.

4. I continue because of good service and lack of issues with the machines (compared to most people on forums who are seeking info about problems they experience)

5. The sleds are awesome, lots of fun and easy to ride.

I've ridden a couple buddies '12 & '13 Cats, not a big fan, rode a few year old XP, what a joke. If any other company gave me a ride and that's what I spent most of my time on, I suppose the Pro would become foreign to me. People need to remember that Burandt was on a Polaris before the Pro RMK was released as well, but the Pro is an amazing machine and from watching other guys ride, it looks like the easiest out-of-the-box sled to ride.

But, we weren't talking about stock sleds. We were talking about heavily modified sleds. Particularly, a Pro RMK making considerably more power and weighing quite a bit less than the Yamaha. I'm sure the less powerful, heavier machine felt more stable, or better yet, planted, than the RMK. I would like to hear the RMK owner's comparison of the two machines. What you guys need to see is that Yamaha's newest chassis is Cat's soon to be old chassis. It's not new cutting-edge stuff. It's leftovers. Cat is a year behind Polaris in new product releases. You can try to play catch-up all you want with the Yamaha, but you can't honestly believe that older, heavier technology is working better than the Pros. Sure they have great engine longevity, which I pointed out in my first post CHRISTOPHER. How many guys do you know that keep a sled for more than a few thousand miles? With the mindset that die hard Yamaha guys have, we should still be riding King Cats and 700 edge chassis RMKs. They were all reliable and you could modify the hell out them to make them work the way you want, much like the majority of yamahas it appears. If they're such great sleds, leave them stock and ride them, come back and share your opinions. I bet you'd be crying for a bone stock 2 stroke to ride instead of your heavy, underpowered, whored-out 2nd hand chassis snowmobile.

I'm not brand loyal, I do have a Polaris badge on here, big deal, I can change that, it's not a tattoo. I do like stuff that works well though. If I had a Yamaha dealer in my backyard I still wouldn't ride one unless they gave it to me. Money talks. Don't try pullin the wool over my eyes

 

[89sandman]

Is Yami so hard up for customer's that it has to have it's riders come on here and put down the competition??? The four stroke's novelty has worn off and is all but dead in the mountain segment, as it should be until they can get one at least in the 400lb weight class. In a few years that's gonna be the 300lb class. Yami's build one thing and then use it forever model is a lost cause. Almost forgot I guess they are good for hill shooting, but does anyone do that anymore...

 

[Mr Nasty]

I think all credibility she once had is now gone. Her comparison between sleds is also biased.

I picked up a boosted viper mtx this year and am very happy with it. As I gain more confidence with it I'm sure I'll like it more. When I first threw a leg over it i could feel the extra weight but after a couple hours that feeling went away. Anyone who negitively critiques this machine without any time on it is a complete idiot. The viper is a very capable machine. With that being said I also believe the pro is a great sled. ive never ridden a boosted pro but I'm sure the extra power on that platform is awesome but didn't think it was for me.

 

[ndC7M8]

I think all credibility she once had is now gone. Her comparison between sleds is also biased.

I picked up a boosted viper mtx this year and am very happy with it. As I gain more confidence with it I'm sure I'll like it more. When I first threw a leg over it i could feel the extra weight but after a couple hours that feeling went away. Anyone who negitively critiques this machine without any time on it is a complete idiot. The viper is a very capable machine. With that being said I also believe the pro is a great sled. ive never ridden a boosted pro but I'm sure the extra power on that platform is awesome but didn't think it was for me.

Would you feel the same if the sled had been naturally aspirated? I certainly hope you're not calling me an idiot because I haven't ridden a "viper"? I have however, as previously stated, ridden a '12 & a '13 cat, so I have a good idea how the machine handles. So, I just imagine a heavier 4 stroke version of that. I also forgot that I have a buddy with an 1100t Cat that I rode briefly, so that should be a similar weight comparison.

If I wanted to wrestle a heavier sled around that requires mods to truly keep up to the next guys brand new stocker, using older technology but maintaining reliability and guaranteeing a kick in the nuts on resale value just for the sake of coming on this forum and saying you can make it work and it has its place, sure, I'd have a Yamaha.

There are guys out there still riding 900 IQ RMKs. Chew on that for a while.

 

[Mr Nasty]

Would you feel the same if the sled had been naturally aspirated? I certainly hope you're not calling me an idiot because I haven't ridden a "viper"? I have however, as previously stated, ridden a '12 & a '13 cat, so I have a good idea how the machine handles. So, I just imagine a heavier 4 stroke version of that. I also forgot that I have a buddy with an 1100t Cat that I rode briefly, so that should be a similar weight comparison.

If I wanted to wrestle a heavier sled around that requires mods to truly keep up to the next guys brand new stocker, using older technology but maintaining reliability and guaranteeing a kick in the nuts on resale value just for the sake of coming on this forum and saying you can make it work and it has its place, sure, I'd have a Yamaha.

There are guys out there still riding 900 IQ RMKs. Chew on that for a while.

Sorry bud but a 12, 13 cat is not a viper. Small changes on any chassis can improve or hurt it drastically. A 1100t is also not a viper. I haven't ridden a NA viper so I cannot comment on its abilities. How does one form an opinion on a machines capabilities if it has no seat time on it?!? What one person feels comfortable on doesn't mean the next person will. I know a guy who still rides one of the 900 rmks you speak of, he's also had several new motors in it. I have owned all 4 brands and still have my 800etec summit as my backup sled so I am not brand loyal or am I pushing any brand on anyone. I personally would enjoy riding any brand, all that matters is I'm out riding.

 

[ndC7M8]

I got to spend about 30 minutes on a 2015 PRO with a TSS turbo, 230 hp kit b-bopping through the trees on Wednesday and I have to say... my 2015 Viper (MPI 190 hp kit) is much more manageable in the trees. The PRO was on/off feeling, there is a noticeable lag. When the power hits, it is holy hell hold on!!! Viper, no lag and a very smooth linear feeling. Now, obviously there is a weight difference and a HP difference (how would the Viper with the 250 kit feel?)... and had I spent more time on the sled I would have gotten use to it, maybe? But in that short time I felt more worn out than I did in the first 30 minutes of being on the Viper! Is it clutching? Set up? I really don't know, it felt like many other 2stroke turbos that I've been on. Very different than 4stroke turbo delivery.

I know some will say "oh but you are sponsored by Yamaha you have to say these things". The first part of that statement is true, the later, no.. I still get to have my own thoughts, feelings and opinions.... I was very happy to get back on my heavy girl and wiggle her through the trees with control! LOL

Take this for what it is worth... a 2 stroke can wear you out too...

Reading this again a couple times over, it seems like so much less of a review and more like you just stirring the pot. It's a shot taken at the guys with better performing equipment on behalf of Yamaha. It's admitting you had to wrangle a heavier slower sled through the trees because your sponsored by the manufacturer and don't have enough seat time on the quicker more nimble machine. It states all the negatives of owning a 4 stroke but at the same time, trying to put a positive spin on those qualities. You have an aftermarket turbo kit installed to put you 13 horsepower ahead of the biggest stock mountain sled on the market, which is essentially the same sled your riding. I can go buy a holdover 1100T Cat and have everything you have for $9k or potentially less. HOW IN THE HELL can anyone on a new Yamaha be so diluted as to think they're on NEW technology? You have your same old high-and-mighty reliable engine with the competition's chassis. It's not original. It's not innovative. It's pre-existing components cobbled together to ensure Yamaha remains relevant in the industry. No othe manufacturer offers a warrantied turbo from the dealer to keep they're machines competitive with the guy down the street's bone stock sled. If you were honest and non-biased you wouldn't have posted this blatant lie about 2 strokes wearing you out. I would like to hear an honest review of how much more worn out you were after the rest of the day on your four-stroker though.

 

[ndC7M8]

Sorry bud but a 12, 13 cat is not a viper. Small changes on any chassis can improve or hurt it drastically. A 1100t is also not a viper. I haven't ridden a NA viper so I cannot comment on its abilities. How does one form an opinion on a machines capabilities if it has no seat time on it?!? What one person feels comfortable on doesn't mean the next person will. I know a guy who still rides one of the 900 rmks you speak of, he's also had several new motors in it. I have owned all 4 brands and still have my 800etec summit as my backup sled so I am not brand loyal or am I pushing any brand on anyone. I personally would enjoy riding any brand, all that matters is I'm out riding.

Oh, I forgot. Yamaha built this chassis, it's totally different than anything ever produced, and those three examples I listed that happen to be the same chassis that Yamaha purchases from Arctic Cat and labels as a "Yamaha Viper" are in NO way comparable to a Viper, as it stands alone in the industry and certainly isn't just a blue version of the Cat M7000, or vice versa. How could I be so blind and fail to see the originality of the new Viper with its state of the art power plant and totally new chassis. Surely no one can produce a sled as capable as this new machine. That is, until Cat dumps this chassis for the 2017 model year, and Yamaha once again continues to be the leader in out-dated mountain sled technology. You Yamaha guys could have had this new chassis when it came out in 2012, why did you wait so long to buy one? Oh yeah, because the cutting edge yammi guys were busy stuffing their 4strokes into Pro RMK tube chassis, not Arctic Cats. Good job Yamaha. Maybe now that the Axys RMK is out, you can purchase Pro chassis and retrofit engines into them too.

 

[Mr Nasty]

Oh, I forgot. Yamaha built this chassis, it's totally different than anything ever produced, and those three examples I listed that happen to be the same chassis that Yamaha purchases from Arctic Cat and labels as a "Yamaha Viper" are in NO way comparable to a Viper, as it stands alone in the industry and certainly isn't just a blue version of the Cat M7000, or vice versa. How could I be so blind and fail to see the originality of the new Viper with its state of the art power plant and totally new chassis. Surely no one can produce a sled as capable as this new machine. That is, until Cat dumps this chassis for the 2017 model year, and Yamaha once again continues to be the leader in out-dated mountain sled technology. You Yamaha guys could have had this new chassis when it came out in 2012, why did you wait so long to buy one? Oh yeah, because the cutting edge yammi guys were busy stuffing their 4strokes into Pro RMK tube chassis, not Arctic Cats. Good job Yamaha. Maybe now that the Axys RMK is out, you can purchase Pro chassis and retrofit engines into them too.

No where did I mention that a viper has state of the art technology in it or that it was built by yamaha. You're coming up with reasons to create your argument. I am not a "yamaha guy", this is my first yamaha. As far as a chassis goes it becomes refined over the years. So typically the "later" years are better than the previous, this is the case in all 4 brands.
I'm not sure why you are trying to convince me that your sled purchase is better than mine?!?
Ride the sled that you love to ride and I'll ride what I love to ride.

 

[ndC7M8]

No where did I mention that a viper has state of the art technology in it or that it was built by yamaha. You're coming up with reasons to create your argument. I am not a "yamaha guy", this is my first yamaha. As far as a chassis goes it becomes refined over the years. So typically the "later" years are better than the previous, this is the case in all 4 brands.
I'm not sure why you are trying to convince me that your sled purchase is better than mine?!?
Ride the sled that you love to ride and I'll ride what I love to ride.

You insinuated that one can't pass judgement on the Viper without riding one. Well, it's an old arctic cat chassis with an old Yamaha engine. YOU are the one that called anyone with an opinion of the viper without seat time an IDIOT, yet you fail to comprehend that it's a parts sled, stuff off the shelf slapped together to create a "new" product without any new thought process. I'm trying to stress that someone sponsored by Yamaha is gonna think it's the best thing since sliced bread. If you like it, great, you're not brand loyal, great. I have a cat and a Polaris. If I could ride most of the winter and had an extra $15k for snowmobiling maybe I'd have another sled on top of that. I'm coming up with reasons to end the argument. It's hard facts. Prove me wrong. Show me how Yamaha spent years engineering this sled to be what it is. It's a poor attempt, a minimalistic attempt to stay afloat in the snowmobile industry by Yamaha. You realize that it's Yamaha's flagship mountain sled, but it also exists in arctic cats lineup, basically a carbon copy, and does NOT create any buzz. It exists SOLELY as a means for Cat to obtain credit from the EPA to maintain the high performance 2 strokes that the majority of the industry wants. Its a business deal that allowed Yamaha to continue to play the game, and ensured Cat will remain superior. I'm sure Christopher will jump in and show me a total sales figure for Yamaha to "disprove" my last statement, but how about we compare apples to apples and talk snowmobiles only. Don't veer of course and tell me Yamaha is bigger and badder. If they really were, they would build their own snowmobile.

If you ride and enjoy a new Viper, you are riding and enjoying a proven Arctic Cat snowmobile with a proven Yamaha engine. The chassis makes the machine, not the engine, hence the popularity of the RMKs.

 

[Bocephus]

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[yamahajohnson220]

Holy crap ndc7m8, go get laid and go to bed...and hopefully sleep off the rage. Love how some guys go into the worst defensive mode when the viper is mentioned with a pro. And yes I have ridden them both back to back for a comparison.