I changed my currently just for you.
Thank you. I'm clearly a life long die hard polaris guy. I'm guessing my screen name must give it away
A little comparison.. Boosted Viper vs Boosted PRO
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Thank you. I'm clearly a life long die hard polaris guy. I'm guessing my screen name must give it away
The thing is if you would have actually shut your dick holster and took your own advice and actually read through the thread you would have realized that most of the people your arguing with actually agreed with you on how her opinion is not valid do to her sponsorship. Difference is everyone else spoke there piece and moved on like growed ups and didn't sit here and try to start $hit with anyone that had a differing opinion than there's. This might come as a shock but they're might actually be some folks that really do prefer the ride of the fat heavy yamicat over the pro, I mean hell, I can't stand the feel of a doo with the **** eyed steering and can't understand how someone can want to ride one but yet 1000s of folks do and seem pretty happy.
I didn't get in an argument until Mr Nasty tried to say that a '12 or '13 Cat is not a Viper, when essentially, it is. Surprising revelation, I know, right?!? After that I was only responding to those that said something stupid directed at me.
Im assuming you're still just reading words and not understanding. If you actually did read the whole thing you would see I havent argued with the majority of folks that agree with me. I just don't see what you're seeing in your little world.
Really
Do you REALLY want to start looking at PRODUCT FAILURES comparing POO to YAMAHA. My "Older Heavier Technology" Absolutely works better. Mile after Mile, Year after Year, Horsepower after Horsepower. Yamaha ENDURE and LAST.
When was the last time you heard of a Yamaha engine BURNING DOWN or A-ARMS coming apart. Get serious. Yes, the Yamaha's are built like a FRIGGIN TANK, they last forever, take all the abuse you can possible dish out to them and WEIGH MORE because of it.
Yamahas are a PLATFORM that owners build on.
For reasons that none of us seem to be able to figure out Yamaha Corporate simply doesn't want to "Go For It" in the mountain segment.
They don't want to be on the Bleeding Failing edge of technology like Polaris is. Because of that, guys like you trash talk them all day long.
But last night I turned the key for the first time on my 275hp Turbo kit.
And you know what, I am sure that engine will be running strong for THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of TROUBLE FREE miles.
Go ahead and try that on your 800cc Poo and lets see how long it holds together before it GRENADES on you shall we?
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poos break a arms. Nytros break sub frames. Poo riders have to replace Pistons every other year. Yamaha riders have to replace their oil every time they tip their sled. Life is full of trade offs.
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rmscustom
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Christopher,
Do you have any FACTS that support your claim that Yamaha is a more reliable sled than a Polaris?
If not,
Do you think if Yamaha had the number of sleds on the snow that Polaris has that your claim would hold true seeing how bad news travels faster than good especially on SW?
Do you have any FACTS that support your claim that Yamaha is a more reliable sled than a Polaris?
If not,
Do you think if Yamaha had the number of sleds on the snow that Polaris has that your claim would hold true seeing how bad news travels faster than good especially on SW?
I think you already know this and are ignoring it, but the point of this entire discussion has nothing to do with reliability. I don't think a single soul here will disagree with the fact that 4 strokes will hold together the longest.
I would be curious if other people such as myself(who own neither a pro or a yamaha or a turbo sled in general) given the same circumstances as stated in the OP and what their preferences would be.
EDIT:I stand corrected ^1 person does not agree that the yamaha has better engine life
man o man i've heard it all now , when it was a cat the chassis was deeply flawed and had known problems, now that they wrote yamaha on the out side it's the epitome of durability handling and quality.
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rmscustom
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Where did I say motor?
I said nothing about product failures. Where are all the forum police now to call Christopher childish & foolish? I very specifically pointed out the longevity of Yamaha engines and Christopher jumps down my throat and veers uncontrollably of topic.
Mtncat1, you hit the nail on the head. Cat guys have been begging for changes since the chassis premiered in '12. I guess what one could take away from this, especially Christopher's last post, is that Yamaha buyers are satisfied with mediocre products because they are willing to spend more time and thousands more dollars to improve them. If only someone would have said this earlier in the thread, maybe.....oh, wait, yeah I think I did say that.
Mtncat1, you hit the nail on the head. Cat guys have been begging for changes since the chassis premiered in '12. I guess what one could take away from this, especially Christopher's last post, is that Yamaha buyers are satisfied with mediocre products because they are willing to spend more time and thousands more dollars to improve them. If only someone would have said this earlier in the thread, maybe.....oh, wait, yeah I think I did say that.
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Mr Nasty
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Sorry, just not true.
I have FIVE of them.
We ride EVERY WEEKEND.
have MANY MANY MANY THOUSANDS of miles on them.
No issues with sub frames.
Every sled has a rollover kit on it.
No issues with oil.
Can't deny the new vipers had oil leaking issues, which are now resolved.
If you look at the industry you can see clearly the market segments that the two different corporations are interested in.
Poo is going BALLS OUT for the mountain segment, and they are kicking butt.
Yamaha is going for the TRAIL segment, and seems kind of grudgingly going into the Mountain segment. While I can not speak with authority on this, I think it is PURELY a financial decision on their part to focus their Time/Talent and Resources on the greatest return for their investment. The joint development with Cat seems to be a temporary means to an end. It keeps them in the game, moves the product line forward and buys them time.
But time for WHAT? How many years will they stay in bed with Cat?
Yamaha Corporate made some big promises on brand new technology coming forth over a multi-year period. Those of us that watch such things closely are watching the years tick by and waiting for the new technology (AKA Brand New Engines) to come forth. None of it has surfaced yet.
As for "Facts".
Yes, there are hard cold industry facts that have been previously posted on SnoWest. I have engaged in this debate many times before and posted them in other threads.
When it comes to durability/longevity, Yamaha wins, but they win at the price of WEIGHT. More mass generally means Longer Life of the overall structure, I really don't think anyone is going to mount an argument against that. And 4s engines will outlast 2s engines, but they come at the very same cost, WEIGHT.
Well said Christopher.
I can understand brand loyality, but I don't understand people who feel the need to berate others because they like something different.
ndC7M8 said in one post that it was bullshirt that yamahajohnson220 was doing mods on a Viper and that it supported the nonsense that he has been spewing. Then a few posts later, he was instructing Remmy on what mods he should have done on his Pro in order to make it work. Kind of contradictory don't you think?
The fact is that just about anyone who is serious about mountain sledding does mods on their sleds. If not for better performance (boost, longer tracks, bigger paddles, different skis, clutching, gearing, a-arms, shocks, skids...), then in order to make it fit them better (risers, boards, seats, handlebars...).
It's actually hilarious and ndC7M8 comes off looking like the village idiot. It's like the reincarnation of Ouraysledder. In fact, I haven't seen Ouraysledder in awhile. Could it be him?
Just so you know ndC7M8, the majority of the people reading your posts see you as a tool. Even your fellow Polaris Pro riders. You would have been far better to say that you disagree with Coyotegirl and maybe brought up a few factual points than continue with your nonsense.
If you don't like Vipers, don't ride one. Otherwise, shut hole. I doubt you've spent any time on one and we may be interested in your opinion once you've put a few hundred miles on on one. "I rode one and didn't like it" really doesn't cut it. Get some real seat time in the steep and deep and report back to us.
I haven't ridden a Viper, but everything I've read by those who have has been overwhelmingly positive. Even guys coming off of Pro's seem to have good things to say. So that leads me to believe that it probably handles pretty well in the mountains.
Who knows, Coyotegirl may even be right about her observation.
I think MOST mountain riders are more concerned about WEIGHT than pretty much any other facet of the over all sled.
The market place proves this by the sleds that are being manufactured and sold. Most mountain riders ARE willing to tolerate a higher failure rate and a accept a more fragile snowmobile in exchange for maximum handling.
The Holy Grail..
A Lightweight Yamaha manufactured sled on a cutting edge chassis !!
Today I shaved off about -20lbs from my sled by replacing several components (hood, side panels, battery)
But I bolted on about 30lbs of Turbo gear.
If I could take off =50lbs from my sled and have it still do everything that it does right now, would I?? IN A HEART BEAT!!
NOT ON YOUR LIFE.
Oh HELL NO!!
This is absolutely positively NOT a "Yamaha" sled.
This is a ARCTIC CAT SLED with a Yamaha Engine, Clutch and Chain Case).
No Yamaha enthusiast would say otherwise.
Some of the things I have run into on this sled absolutely make me scratch my head and wonder WHAT were they thinking!
Having said that, it is a HUGE step forward from the Nytro Chassis.
It may not be brand new, or cutting edge.
But make no mistake about it, it is DAY and NIGHT better than my 2 Nytros!
Honestly, I can only sit here and wonder just what Yamaha Japan COULD create if they took all of their creative talent and bent it HARD on making a world class mountain sled.!
ABSOLUTELY!
You will get ZERO argument from me.
Every one of these needs a ROLL OVER KIT installed on it.
But for me, and pretty much every guy I know that rides a Yamaha or a YamaCat in the mountains there are a couple things that are just accepted for granted.
You MUST install a rollover kit
You MUST install the optional Turbo kit.
If that is not part of your purchase plan, then you are seriously buying the wrong sled.
OFF TOPIC...
One of the most common letters I receive on SnoWest as the Forum Admin is a complaint about HOW HOSTILE the forums are. You might well be surprised at the number of riders that come here, join the forums and then LEAVE because of people like ndC7M8 who behave like total A-Holes and drive people away from this forum and from our sport.
ON TOPIC.
Vipers are NOT Pros!
The two sleds really do NOT compare nor compete with each other.
I readily admit, I am a boost junkie.!
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the rush of power that the Yamaha Engines deliver when you pinch the throttle. I live for that acceleration and enjoy coming home at 6 hours on the mountain thoroughly wrung out from a good old fashioned hard day of riding.
For me, and maybe JUST ME, this is WHERE I RIDE and HOW I RIDE most weekend. This is my idea of a great weekend of riding..
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I asked yamahajohnson why he was modding his sled in order to help make my point, that Christopher just made for me by saying you MUST install the optional turbo kit. Big dollar mods for already expensive equipment.
I don't consider a different a clutch spring or pair of gears much of a "mod" to improve a sled, but if you do, ****k I've got a full blown mod sled.
Also, with your lopsided logic, I can't pass judgement on a chassis that I don't have much time on, but it's ok for this brandy chick to do so? Aaaaaaand then you say I'm contradictory. Maybe you should think a little about what you post before you click that icon down there. I've been factual about the chassis and components that Yamaha has installed in it in order to brand it theirs. I get a little long-winded but I truly like picking apart poorly thought out posts by folks like you. You just said I was the village idiot for what I said, then proceeded to act the same way. Aren't you just the pot calling the kettle black?
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