858 Polaris Pro. Got a great compliment today!
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poor guy can't win
post numbers and everybody calls you a liar and the numbers are fudged.
DOn't post numbers and get lambasted for trying to be less than honest?
Keep up the good work Kelsey. Its after market companies like RKT that help drive the progression in sleds
-diz
post numbers and everybody calls you a liar and the numbers are fudged.
DOn't post numbers and get lambasted for trying to be less than honest?
Keep up the good work Kelsey. Its after market companies like RKT that help drive the progression in sleds
-diz
Yeah, your damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's a tough a business. Keep up the good work Kelsey. I wouldn't hesitate to send a few of our customers to you if they are looking for a little more grunt.
Numbers
Numbers as far as horsepower on the snow, who cares!!! If you can jump on your sled and squeeze the throttle and tell the difference, in my opinion thats all that matters. RKT has been around a while now and has a great product. I'm personally willing to take his 858 kit and throw it on my sled with my silber turbo and put this thing to the test. But when I say test really I mean that I just want to put a bigger smile on my face when I squeeze the trigger and go!!
Numbers as far as horsepower on the snow, who cares!!! If you can jump on your sled and squeeze the throttle and tell the difference, in my opinion thats all that matters. RKT has been around a while now and has a great product. I'm personally willing to take his 858 kit and throw it on my sled with my silber turbo and put this thing to the test. But when I say test really I mean that I just want to put a bigger smile on my face when I squeeze the trigger and go!!
RMK-King
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You do not have to post a total HP number, just a gain number over stock would be nice. I do not see why there would be any controversy over that.
I do agree with you about not wanting to post a total number though as everyone might be starting off with a little bit different power making it inaccurate.
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RKT
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Slemax, with all due respect, I have been down this road before. I am one of the oldest shops in the USA.. Controversy is always present!
I'll let the performance of these kits stand on their own merit ON THE MOUNTAIN!
If that is not good enough, then so be it..
The Performance/Power can NOT be faked on the mountain.. The BS REALLY does stop in the steep and deep.. These kits perform and will continue to perform.
Again, you simply can not fake pure, raw power.. and that is what these kits deliver... I have never been highmarked by ANY dyno.. I am sure somebody will eventually take these to a neutral dyno facility where the results can not be disputed.. Until then.. the mountain will suffice.
We will be out tomorrow in the deepest snow of the year.. come see for yourself.
Kelsey
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minus40
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I like the % relationship myself. You could say it gains 5% or 3% or ? and we can pick the numbers we like to base that on. I don't see the controversy for you in that as long as your telling the truth. The controversy would be for the keyboard debaters in what numbers to use.
Problem with the performance on the snow argument is setup. It takes the full package to get the performance as you well know. Makes a person wonder how much gain is setup. especially when there are others on here that make big performance increase claims from just setups they are selling.
When you have an idea what power you are making then it also gives you an idea what performance you should be expecting.
"I have never been highmarked by ANY dyno" I believe you once said that guys with dyno's usually have the sled that does the highmarking?
I have no bias for or against you. I have been both happy and unhappy in past purchases from two other company's that also don't play the "dyno game". So not playing the game doesn't necessarily mean a higher standard.
You are correct imo, that the performance reputation will rise to the top.
Kelsey, Can U Answer the Questions that Matter Please
I think the majority here don't care about the Dyno that are going to do business with you. We know your history and trust your products. Can u respond to some of the technical questions on this thread that have been interupted by the children. Mainly, what pipes and or can products have you tested with the best results for an addition to your kit.
I think the majority here don't care about the Dyno that are going to do business with you. We know your history and trust your products. Can u respond to some of the technical questions on this thread that have been interupted by the children. Mainly, what pipes and or can products have you tested with the best results for an addition to your kit.
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RKT
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I don't see the controversy for you in that as long as your telling the truth.
I always tell the truth and this is what I am doing now.. and it has become controversial...
Problem with the performance on the snow argument is setup. It takes the full package to get the performance as you well know. Makes a person wonder how much gain is setup.
Ahh... using the the stock primary (100%) with a Team Tied secondary.. No other changes ANYWHERE on the sled... I mean ANYWHERE!! How is that for a SUPER set-up??
"I have never been highmarked by ANY dyno" I believe you once said that guys with dyno's usually have the sled that does the highmarking?
NOPE. never said that.. sorry.. you must have me confused with another..
I have no bias for or against you. I have been both happy and unhappy in past purchases from two other company's that also don't play the "dyno game". So not playing the game doesn't necessarily mean a higher standard.
You are correct imo, that the performance reputation will rise to the top.
Again, the performance will speak for itself.. I will stand on that aspect of it..
Let me ask you this:
Say you are on the mountain with your stock Pro. 2 guys roll in .. one with with the 858 kit.. and another Pro supporting a kit that has a dyno sheet attached to it (say.. he even has it with him to waive under you nose) that is boasting 180HP
The 858 kit owner has nothing to show what the 858 kit is producing on the dyno.
You guys do some comparing on the hill... The 858 out performs the 180HP dyno proven kit and your stocker...
Which sled do you want to ride??
It really is that simple!
response above in red
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RKT
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we have tested 1 aftermarket pipe and 1 aftermarket can. Both work great together or seperate BOTH lose weight over the stock parts.. Stock components work excellent as well
Does your kit use the stock exhaust?
Edit... you Answered that already.
Edit... you Answered that already.
How is the testing going for low elevation? Im riding at 1500-3700ft and on 91 octane fuel with no ethanol in it.
What compression would you recommend for this altitude?
What is included in the kit?
Is a fuel controller included in the kit? If it is, what type and make is it? If not, what do you recommend?
Is there any need to send the stock cylinders to you, or do I get new replacements? Would like to have the chance to make the sled stock again.
Any chance to get a early release kit to Norway?
Had to ask, really exited about this kit
What compression would you recommend for this altitude?
What is included in the kit?
Is a fuel controller included in the kit? If it is, what type and make is it? If not, what do you recommend?
Is there any need to send the stock cylinders to you, or do I get new replacements? Would like to have the chance to make the sled stock again.
Any chance to get a early release kit to Norway?
Had to ask, really exited about this kit
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Going West
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If you go to his web site most of you questions are answered. You need to send in your jugs and Power valves. He uses a boondocker box and the kit comes with a new head.
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theultrarider
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How is the testing going for low elevation? Im riding at 1500-3700ft and on 91 octane fuel with no ethanol in it.
What compression would you recommend for this altitude?
What is included in the kit?
Is a fuel controller included in the kit? If it is, what type and make is it? If not, what do you recommend?
Is there any need to send the stock cylinders to you, or do I get new replacements? Would like to have the chance to make the sled stock again.
Any chance to get a early release kit to Norway?
Iqrydr just got his test kit on got the 1st ride in on yesterday. In the process of tuning it in today. So far, sundng very good. Give him a few days and no doubt he will be posting up some results as he gets it dialed here. Best fuel we have here is 90oct and ride most at 1500-2500 feet.
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theultrarider
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We shall see. Give him a week or so to get it right. Then Im sure we will hear.
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xc6rider
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Who would be up for pitching in towards/for a purchasing member to have this change dynoed?? I for one am very interested for when the time comes for a rebuild etc, and would gladly give someone a few $ to help with testing/tuning costs. I'd think we'd have to have a serious purchaser somewhere, that's close to a reputable shop that can show honest changes.
Wether it be the drop-in kit, or the 858, I don't give a $hit about the numbers it produces, but more importantly, where those numbers are. It's a heck of a lot easier to set-up clutching if we know where the engine should be running, and quite frankly, dang near pointless without.
I respect Kelsey's opinion on the matter, and understand where he's coming from with dyno #'s, but I simply can't be comfortable clutching a sled NOT knowing where the R's should be....
Wether it be the drop-in kit, or the 858, I don't give a $hit about the numbers it produces, but more importantly, where those numbers are. It's a heck of a lot easier to set-up clutching if we know where the engine should be running, and quite frankly, dang near pointless without.
I respect Kelsey's opinion on the matter, and understand where he's coming from with dyno #'s, but I simply can't be comfortable clutching a sled NOT knowing where the R's should be....
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RKT
Well-known member
So, in you opinion, there is not way to know where an engine's correct operating rpm is WITHOUT a Dyno test??
Is this correct?
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aja636
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I live 6 hrs from DynoTech Research. I would be more then happy to do the mods on the dyno for a good before and after. Just the 150-175 per HR can add up big time when you got to change pistons, cyl, exhaust, and then build a fuel map all while the dyno clock is ticking. Your talkin 700-1000 bucks or more in dyno fees.
I already offered to float the entire bill. if I had a kit for my 2012 it would have already been installed and dyno'd by brent linderman. the kits aren't ready I guess otherwise I'm sure I would have heard from kelsey about this, maybe next season.......?
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