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2025 Ski-Doo Rumors and Predictions

I find it amusing that the majority of posts here are a wishlist for better integration of a smart phone. My opinion? Forget the phone. Carry an inReach, Spot, etc if you are concerned about an emergency. There is so much to be said about unplugging from that ever present screen in your life when in the mountains. That’s one of the draws of the back country for me. Crazy times we live in.

Full disclaimer…this post is from a smart phone [emoji1787]
Why does it have to be an "Either This or That" scenario.

I carry an inreach & a handheld GPS.
I carry a cell phone
Sometimes I carry a Drone and a Camera.

I stop all day long to take photos, most often with my cell phone.

Currently Ski-Doo requires you to use your Cell Phone to power the mapping functions and the buddy tracking on their 10.25" Screen.
Given that reality, WHY on earth wouldn't we want BETTER INTEGRATION??

If that is the platform of technology they are going to offer us, then by all means, PLEASE MAKE IT AS USER FRIENDLY as possible.

Better yet.
Make it so we do NOT need to use the cell phone at all!
I think every person here on SnoWest would be FULLY SUPPORTIVE of that option.
But none of us "KNOW" for certain exactly WHY BRP chose not to go down that route..

As for me personally.
I really like being able to see the On-X Backcountry maps live while I am exploring.
Knowing there is a ravine or a increasingly narrow draw coming up followed by a waterfall is REALLY USEFUL in deciding if I should press on further down that gulley.

If I had my choice, I wish I could cast the image from the phone to the much larger screen on the sled.
THAT would be freaking awesome!
 
But none of us "KNOW" for certain exactly WHY BRP chose not to go down that route..
Being cheap? didn't want to put a powerful processor in the gauge itself and instead offload it to phones? Didn't want to code up two apps? ( phone and gauge ). Didn't want to include a GPS chip?

Whatever the reason is it stinks lol.
 
And yet, people still believe that the mountain segment is doo’s main focus.
Wrong, the onroad, sea and SXS are a lot larger, even the trail sled segment is way bigger.
You need your phone to use Apple car play in your vehicle, cell phone intergration is what most are used to.
The fact that guys are willing to buy the big gauge and immediately put a trail tech on their sleds lead me to believe guys are willing to pay anything to get what they want from the factory. We will see what comes out in the gauge department, if anything in a few weeks, and what will it cost if so.


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And yet, people still believe that the mountain segment is doo’s main focus.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
The Mountain segment is in no way shape or form Doo's "MAIN FOCUS".
We are the TINY segment of snowmobiling by total international volume
The fact that guys are willing to buy the big gauge and immediately put a trail tech on their sleds lead me to believe guys are willing to pay anything to get what they want from the factory.
I think there are absolutely a small cadre of us that match up to that description.
 
And that was by unit volume… keep in mind mountain sleds are the most expensive units, along with more parts and gear sales
 
I would check those “facts” guys… last I checked mountain sleds outsold any other segment

There are a lot more gauges that use the go app that are used on seadoo, SXS and the BRP road bike. Even the trail sled has a different gauge that uses the go app, and it’s been around for a very long time, way before the G5 summit, everyone has a phone with them, it works for those guys.

All I am saying is the “actual” mountain segment is a very small market when there is two gauges offered on a mountain sled. I am talking about who actually use the sled as a mountain sled away from services. I would have higher confidence in a major gauge upgrade if the big gauge was the only one offered on the G5 summit.
It would be interesting to see the stats of how many Big gauge sleds are out there in the Rocky’s, vs the whole big picture of BRPs vehicles that are in North America.

I like my big gauge and actually do not mind the cell phone integration.
buddy tracking, integrated maps etc would be nice but not a priority for me because I did without it for so many years and still had fun.
Question to be asked is why did Doo pull it for 2024? Doo loves their accessories, how much is someone willing to pay for integrated maps and buddy tracking as an accessory on top of the gauge, food for thought.

Guess we will see in a few weeks what next year brings, and will it actually be available for the previous model years. The boost gauge available in the lasted update does not work in the 2023’s.


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You need your phone to use Apple car play in your vehicle, cell phone intergration is what most are used to.
Yea its an option I for one hate android auto and apple car play. I never plug mine into my truck and I use the built in navigation in my F350. Truck has the same problem as the stupid sled, loose cell coverage and it gets all screwed up.

No phones for me.. Make a gauge that doesn't stink BRP.
 
point me to any HARD FACTS on sales by segment please.
I am having a very hard time finding them

It is difficult to find real numbers. This is the article that came to mind when I read your post… it is older than I thought, but I bet the mountain segment has only grown since. The trail segment has all but died here in Eastern SD, I would guess north of 95% of new sleds sold here are mountain sleds. We are 10hrs from the nearest mountain.
 

It is difficult to find real numbers. This is the article that came to mind when I read your post… it is older than I thought, but I bet the mountain segment has only grown since. The trail segment has all but died here in Eastern SD, I would guess north of 95% of new sleds sold here are mountain sleds. We are 10hrs from the nearest mountain.
Like I said, I am having real trouble finding sales by Segment, and that article is 7 year old now

According to industry estimates, the deep snow mountain sled segment makes up roughly 29% of annual sled sales.

But that supports my contention, MOUNTAIN SLEDS are the SMALL end of the market, not the big end.
Trail Sleds rule by shear volume of sleds produced, so far as I know.
 
Like I said, I am having real trouble finding sales by Segment, and that article is 7 year old now

According to industry estimates, the deep snow mountain sled segment makes up roughly 29% of annual sled sales.

But that supports my contention, MOUNTAIN SLEDS are the SMALL end of the market, not the big end.
Trail Sleds rule by shear volume of sleds produced, so far as I know.
Dealer sales and brp sales can be very far off. A lot of the bigger sled rental shops with very large trail feet’s get sleds directly from doo while smaller rental shops get sleds from a dealer. I’ll guess 5-15% of new sleds each year are rentals which doo isn’t that interested in making top of the line features for. Very blurry numbers no matter how you look at it. Skidoo has 5 sled line ups for trail 2 crossover and 2 mountain. I don’t know if they count crossover sales separate or even brake it down further but I would highly doubt summits and freerides out sell all other skidoo products. Right?

Anyways give us a 3.25/3.5 lug track that will probably be enough to keep most happy for 25. Oh and maybe some more snow. 🤞🤞🤞🙏🙏🙏
 
Mic drop. I don't have a problem with any manufacturer. I simply stated correctly that make my ski doo a Polaris isn't a prediction. I absolutely unequivocally understand what the definition of opinion is, also can use it in a sentence. My opinion means nothing, to anyone but me also clearly stated earlier. My head hurts from defending an opinion, I clearly know isn't a fact. Nothing I have said can be justifiably ATTACKED BECAUSE IT IS MY OPINION, IT CAN'T BE STRICKENED.
I think we are all here because the opinions of other do matter. Just saying.
 
Like I said, I am having real trouble finding sales by Segment, and that article is 7 year old now

According to industry estimates, the deep snow mountain sled segment makes up roughly 29% of annual sled sales.

But that supports my contention, MOUNTAIN SLEDS are the SMALL end of the market, not the big end.
Trail Sleds rule by shear volume of sleds produced, so far as I know.
I read that as the mountain sleds being the largest selling segment?

Again, old, and no data to back it up… But I remember reading that the 2011 Pro RMK was the most sold model by a mile. Mountain sleds are the bread and butter for Doo and Polaris.
 
only way I would even consider a doo 10.25 screen is if it rivaled the polaris screen without having to hook up to a phone. the polaris screen is a game changer. When buddy and I ride(i'm on a 24 doo and he's on a 22 polaris, we use his screen all day long for tracks and elevation and would use it for buddy tracking as well. Other then that, the doo screen has no value to me. Just my opinion. Would love the polaris features on a doo gauge, that would be sweet. Would love better storage(belts and such under hood, but with sleds going more narrow there is less space under the hood) also to have quick fasteneres instead of screws to take plastics off) Just minor tweaks, I've been on polaris up until 2016, had every turbo yamaha from 2003 up to 2009 and been on doo since 2017. Love the doo.
 
only way I would even consider a doo 10.25 screen is if it rivaled the polaris screen without having to hook up to a phone. the polaris screen is a game changer. When buddy and I ride(i'm on a 24 doo and he's on a 22 polaris, we use his screen all day long for tracks and elevation and would use it for buddy tracking as well. Other then that, the doo screen has no value to me. Just my opinion. Would love the polaris features on a doo gauge, that would be sweet. Would love better storage(belts and such under hood, but with sleds going more narrow there is less space under the hood) also to have quick fasteneres instead of screws to take plastics off) Just minor tweaks, I've been on polaris up until 2016, had every turbo yamaha from 2003 up to 2009 and been on doo since 2017. Love the doo.


Some of you guys kill me, the doo gauge also has tracks, elevation, waypoints etc, it also has buddy tracking with a group ride in cell service. Learn to use it, but you don’t have one, so your opinion is invalid.
Next complaint will be the doo gauge sucks because it will not buddy track with the 7S when embedded maps integration with a GPS radio is available on the 10.25. Want a 7S? Buy a Polaris.


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Some of you guys kill me, the doo gauge also has tracks, elevation, waypoints etc, it also has buddy tracking with a group ride in cell service. Learn to use it, but you don’t have one, so your opinion is invalid.
Next complaint will be the doo gauge sucks because it will not buddy track with the 7S when embedded maps integration with a GPS radio is available on the 10.25. Want a 7S? Buy a Polaris.


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The BRP app is even worse for trail riding, I have extensive experience with the 7S and Ridecommand and I own a Backcountry with the 10.25 screen. I gave it my best to try and make the BRP app work, but way too many issues and too difficult to use. I could write a book on this but I will shorten it up. The phone always loses connection so you are constantly stopping to plug the phone back in and get the map running again no matter what cables you try. The map they use is just awful. It doesn't show the main towns, so when trying to plan your route, it's just hard to know where the hell you are on the map. Plus the only option is to create the routes on your phone, which is nearly impossible for doing long rides. It has absolutely zero customization. Sure BRP will integrate the maps into the dash for '25 and will steal peoples money for another $200, but it still will be a POS until they change the mapping software they use, and change they way they get data for POI, and put more data on the map, etc. Plus, BRP's system being used across all platforms, why not make it web based or a cloud system like Ride command. That's what is so nice for trail riding, is you can create routes on your computer and it automatically syncs with the 7S wirelessly. Here is a comparison.

Aesthetically, the ridecommand map is so easy to read.
The POIs are up to date and you can select what ones you see. Can't toggle any off on BRP Go. BRP POIs have not been updated in last 10 years and useless!
You can click on the POI and it will bring up their contact info to call, or look at their website to view their food menu, etc. Very nice feature we use a lot.
You can turn on the Radar so you can see where the weather is at.
You can turn on the snow depth, huge for me this winter to see what riding areas have the most snow. This is a cool new feature
Trail conditions, people can mark what trails are good and bad from a grooming perspective. We use this as well and has been helpful
You can turn on the landowner info, this is helpful when knowing what area you can ride off trail.
The buddy tracking is so simple, you invite someone to your group once and they are always there for every ride there after. No messing around with 7 steps for every single ride you create with BRP Go.
The map displays the main towns so you know where you are. This is important for when you are trying to create routes in new areas. The below example of where I live comparing the map of Ridecommand to BRP Go. I really have no clue what BRP is spitting out for names, they excluded all the main towns which is crazy. Here is an example of the two maps for the same view.

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