2015 Ford Super Duty uping the ante

[GoBigParts]

Maybe so but there also has been 10x more Fords sold! it would be different if you were comparing apples to apples...
and that's why they didn't need our TAX $ for BAILOUT!!I could go on and on .. on how Chevy/GMC pulled all there contracts from US company's and continued to us there over seas contracts(China)thru there tough times ect.. but thousands of Americans Lost there jobs because of canceled Contracts!! so I hope you guys ect are enjoying those Chevy/GMC your driving cause your paying for it twice! once thru the dealer and twice thru your TAX$$ Bailout!.for China??
Sorry for the soap box!!

Fords timing was better. They borrowed a ton of money before the banks collapsed and that is why the didn't need the bail out like GM and chrysler. Not to mention the difference in size between GM and Ford. UAW is UAW no matter how you look at it. The demand for Pensions and the pay out to retired autoworkers fueled by a recession and less demand for new vehicles Killed the big three. Now shame on the companies that were dumb enough to agree to these terms with no way to fund them. Living in Michigan it hit pretty close to home. Ford also is global. If not they would not be in business. I know it is sad but it is true for every company. If you don't outsource your paying to much and will not last.

 

[milehighassassin]

Ford took a bailout from Chinese investors. But whatever makes you sleep at night.
Toyota took a bailout from the Japanese government.

Everyone got bailed out in some form.

Do you guys that are still bent over it avoid Citicorp? Chase? Wells?


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[mountainhorse]

All this talk about the Ecoboost...

Would be nice to see some better, smaller, non commercial diesels out there. Ford already makes them globally (all the brands do).

Right now, I'm buying diesel for less than gas.

It's funny that we only have these monster diesel engines to choose from... How bout some good 3.5 - 4.5L turbo diesels in our trucks?

The diesel engines in our trucks cost so much more as an option because they are essentially a full commercial package... heavy duty engines and trans packages that cost a lot to make.

I believe that a 1/2 ton with a 4.0L Turbo Diesel and stout auto trans could put out 300 hp and 400 ft.lbs and get 28+ mpg unloaded and still pull that big red trailer that Christopher got up the grade with power to spare... and get better economy than any gasser made today. And that engine package would be similar in cost to the premium gas engine option in the same truck.

Would it do it like a 6 or 7 litre 3/4 or 1 ton... definitely not.. but I think this what we need.

The Europeans have some great diesel cars/trucks with great power/economy/value.... why cant we get those in a half ton here in the USA??




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[GoBigParts]

I like. A lot less plastic. The parts that look like metal are actually metal (aluminum). The stitch on the dash cover is actually real thread stitching. Soft touch surfaces not plastic. Fully boxed hydrroformed frame. I do think GM and Dodge have some cool things going on interior and frame wise.

 

[meathooker]

Do you guys that are still bent over it avoid Citicorp? Chase? Wells?

yes, absolutely

 

[Scott]

I drove an Explorer on Saturday with the v6 Ecoboost....DADDY LIKEY!!!

 

[Mafesto]

Would be happy to drive any of the new heavy duties, but I would be happiest in a Ford.

 

[polarisfornow]

All this talk about the Ecoboost...

Would be nice to see some better, smaller, non commercial diesels out there. Ford already makes them globally (all the brands do).

Right now, I'm buying diesel for less than gas.

It's funny that we only have these monster diesel engines to choose from... How bout some good 3.5 - 4.5L turbo diesels in our trucks?

The diesel engines in our trucks cost so much more as an option because they are essentially a full commercial package... heavy duty engines and trans packages that cost a lot to make.

I believe that a 1/2 ton with a 4.0L Turbo Diesel and stout auto trans could put out 300 hp and 400 ft.lbs and get 28+ mpg unloaded and still pull that big red trailer that Christopher got up the grade with power to spare... and get better economy than any gasser made today. And that engine package would be similar in cost to the premium gas engine option in the same truck.

Would it do it like a 6 or 7 litre 3/4 or 1 ton... definitely not.. but I think this what we need.

The Europeans have some great diesel cars/trucks with great power/economy/value.... why cant we get those in a half ton here in the USA??




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FYI they already make this truck. Its called a Ram ecodiesel and I bought one a month ago. 240hp and 420ft lbs of torque + an 8 speed tranny equals very enjoyable to drive and I've already seen 31.1 mpg's on the highway. It has similar power levels to my old 12v cummins and the more I drive it the more it reminds me of that truck as far as power delivery goes. Absolutely love it so far.

 

[richracer1]

I like. A lot less plastic. The parts that look like metal are actually metal (aluminum). The stitch on the dash cover is actually real thread stitching. Soft touch surfaces not plastic. Fully boxed hydrroformed frame. I do think GM and Dodge have some cool things going on interior and frame wise.

That almost looks like the interior of my truck, 2015 GMC 3500HD SRW 4x4 Z71 CC/LB Duramax/Allison (SLE trim though).

 

[milehighassassin]

Well you'll have different trim pieces, different gauge cluster, different steering wheel, different seats and depending on your exact trim a different center console. The similarities are the intellink infotainment and vent locations.

You probably have a little extra money in your bank account.


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[Scott]

I bought an Explorer Sport today with the v6 Ecoboost....DADDY LIKEY!!!

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And DADDY LIKEY twin turbos!!!!!

 

[Snowmow]

Life without boost is gay. Turbo everything.

 

[boondocker97]

That might be true for the Ram, Honestly don't know but you cannot buy a $70,000 GMC Denali.

I fully loaded a 3500 Dually, Denali, with every single option and it is about $67,xxx. That includes everything except accessories (chrome gas cap cover, cargo organizer, tool boxes, chrome door pulls, etc, etc). REAL options, sunroof, navigation, DVD/Blueray, etc, etc.

I'm not sure about Ford and Dodge, but in many cases you can buy a 1-ton cheaper than a 3/4 ton on the GMC side. It will depend where you live but if you live in a major metro area or close enough to one, there is less advertising on a 1 ton than 3/4 ton. MSRP is MSRP everywhere, but invoice price includes regional advertising, so invoice in small town in the middle of nowhere will be less than a major city. When you see said truck at a football or baseball game, rodeo event, etc, etc that money comes out of every vehicle sold on the invoice. With GMC they do not charge that money to a 1 ton. The only difference in the GMC is a helper spring on the back end and slightly different shock valving, you won't notice the shocks or the helper spring since it floats until loaded up. Buy the 1 ton if you can. There are fewer trucks usually in the 1 ton selection than 3/4 ton. That may change.

Also, there is a lot of money in emissions equipment but not $10k worth. I believe it is closer to $3k on the manufacture side of things.

Oh, but you can. Didn't go wild with chrome or tool boxes either. When you are comparing the extra capacity of the F-450 and stability with the wide track front end at $70,000 to a 1 ton dually at $69,500, the extra $500 is more than worth it.

 

[milehighassassin]

You can't do it with options. Sure if you add accessories, tool boxes, tonneau covers, chrome etc. If you add regular options you are at about $67,5xx

But we are debating $2500 on an almost $70k truck.... Peanuts.


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[AndrettiDog]

Oh, but you can. Didn't go wild with chrome or tool boxes either. When you are comparing the extra capacity of the F-450 and stability with the wide track front end at $70,000 to a 1 ton dually at $69,500, the extra $500 is more than worth it.

Even if a F-450 was the same cost I wouldn't do it. Unless you need that big of a truck for something, why have it? I'm sure it rides like an empty dump truck.

 

[boondocker97]

I haven't driven a newer one, but the 08 f-450 I'm driving now actually rides really good for what it is. It's not as smooth as a 1/2 ton obviously, but it's night and day better than say a '96 F-350 Powerstroke.

Pulls this very nicely.

 

[Scott]

My 2012 f350 with 6"lift on 37x20 tires/rims rides a whole world better than my 2000 f250 with airbags. WAY WAY WAY better.
The 450 can't be bad at all.

 

[knaffie]

I drive a 2006 Duramax CCSB 4x4. With every option except Onstar and a moonroof, it stickered at $41,500. That same truck today would easily be $60,000. It's sickening how much the cost of these truck has increased in under 10 years.

I'm ready to buy a new truck any time, but just waiting on a good deal to come along. I would drive a 1/2 ton truck, either a Chevy 6.2 or a Ford Ecoboost, if I didn't have a huge trailer to pull around frequently that requires a diesel. I would love it if somebody made a gas 3/4 ton truck that doesn't get miserable mileage when towing so I don't have to deal with the headaches of owning a diesel, nor the extra cost. I know the GM trucks will get about 1/2 what a diesel will towing a heavy load (10K+).

There are so many people driving diesels that don't need to. The only advantage to the owners that don't need them is they hold their value so much better than the same truck with a gas engine.

I honestly think Ram has the best diesel on the market right now. But I just can't bring myself to be associated with the crowd that swings on the nuts of those trucks.

Ford, Ram, GM all make nice new HD trucks. Not sure yet what I'm going to buy. I'm sure in no hurry to give away the money they want for one. It would just make me sick to spend that on a truck, they see it rot in the salt of the Midwest.

 

[Monty]

My 2012 f350 with 6"lift on 37x20 tires/rims rides a whole world better than my 2000 f250 with airbags. WAY WAY WAY better.
The 450 can't be bad at all.

Hey Scott, what gear ratio are you running with 37's?

 

[sledhead_24_7]

Well so far my '15 F350 6.7 powerstroke is noticeably better than my '11 F350 6.7 powerstroke, which was a great truck.