12 Pro 800 Took a Dump Yesterday!!

[toofpaste]

Ok OK boys, Talked to Polaris today and it was the "Lower rod Bearing" that took a sh_t.
I appreciate all the help and arguments on this post! Sled should be ready soon
Back on top of that white stuff soon.

Good to hear! Lots of poo motor bashing in this thread. I ride with a very mixed group, and the only sleds in the group without engine issues are the cats. There are more etech issues in our group than poo issues.....and there are more poos than doos. Cat and Yamaha must be the only reliable motors out there?

 

[crf118r]

so i buy this piece of junk engine and it has a head on it that is ok according to polaris, to be ridden at sea level....but i'm riding at 10k, so there's a lot less stress on their junk....so i put a little more compression back in the head, just to bring it back in line with what polaris says is ok at sea level....and i'm overstressing this pos ?.....if a second rate plowboy in idaho can come up with a better piston than polaris, why does polaris continue paying their engineers/accountants the salary they do ?...........

Not defending Poo in the least bit, but I think some of the problem is our wonderful EPA and the requirements they put on our favorite sled makers...

 

[tdblakes]

the problem is our wonderful EPA

agreed.

 

[slyrydr]

the other manufacturers have to contend with the epa also....the problems with the poo engine seem to be engineering....and perhaps their bean counters are squeezing their nickels too hard....i find it hard to accept that paying 12k for a snowmobile doesn't allow for a dependable engine...if poo were to put another 500 bucks into their engine, would we pay for it ?....yup, so why, after 5 years of this nonsense, are we only slightly better off ?....

 

[Polaris2012]

I think our problem is that they are 2 stroke motors. We have crapy gas now days. EPA regulations are a joke. I think this is the main cause for engine failures.

 

[WaBackcountry]

I think our problem is that they are 2 stroke motors. We have crapy gas now days. EPA regulations are a joke. I think this is the main cause for engine failures.

Ridiculous. Polaris motors are junk. Everyone knows it but for some reason accepts it because the Pro is so easy to ride.

 

[Polaris2012]

Ridiculous. Polaris motors are junk. Everyone knows it but for some reason accepts it because the Pro is so easy to ride.

You say that as if Polaris is the only one that has problems. Do your research. Ski doo has a lot of motors problems as well. It's a gamble with any of them.

 

[Snowman269]

This thread is a bummer, I was about ready to buy an 800 Pro. Not sure which way to go with all these failures.

 

[Polaris2012]

This thread is a bummer, I was about ready to buy an 800 Pro. Not sure which way to go with all these failures.

There is a lot more threads out there about pros with out failures that there are with. The failures get All the attention though. Look at the thread that's is the polling for motor issues. Lots of people with out any problems. I have a 12 pro 800 with 900 trouble free miles. Don't regret it one bit. But then again I have the 4 year bumper to bumper warranty ?

 

[knifedge]

--Polaris has had serious engine design issues going back years to present.

--Given the low quality, low reliability, less than industry standard HP output of the CFI 800, and poorly designed drivetrain, I believe the Pro is overpriced by at least $2K - 3K

 

[Slick]

--Polaris has had serious engine design issues going back years to present.

--Given the low quality, low reliability, less than industry standard HP output of the CFI 800, and poorly designed drivetrain, I believe the Pro is overpriced by at least $2K - 3K

Well with that thinking then this year especially I would have to suggest Doo should reduce their price accordingly because of their obviously inefficient cumbersome system of transferring power to track. If it worked properly the alleged higher hp Doo should be totally dominating the 13 Pro, and it isn't, in fact it's in most cases we've seen, behind. Why should we have to pay for a clutch that apparently sucks up hp with no benefit, or where do you suggest that extra hp goes.

 

[geo]

This thread is a bummer, I was about ready to buy an 800 Pro. Not sure which way to go with all these failures.

Bottom line is no one has a gun to your head. Believe what you want and buy what you want. It's called freedom. It would be silly to buy something you have no faith in.

I am sure if you ask Knifedge he will set you straight. Just don't ask too many people or you may get confused.

 

[R44guy]

I agree the Polaris engine design is indeed flawed. I have personally had to pay to have 2 Polaris 800 CFI4 engines replaced and my best friend has lost his 800 CFI2 motor twice and the first time it was covered under warranty.

If you make them the sled and or the engines that much lighter something has to give and Polaris has failed to correct the design that will correct this engine issue and yes some of the EPA Emissions have had some influence on burn downs but that is fuel and air related and nothing to do with the design flaws.

If you are a Polaris customer and you get burned even once you have to really like Polaris to keep giving them your hard earned money when they have not recalled or offered any extend warranty coverage and they still have not changed or redesigned the flawed engine cylinder too thin exhaust port design.

The only way to protect yourself is to switch to another brand which is why I traded my brand new 13 Polaris Pro RMK with 0 miles in on another brand after I had bought the 4 year warranty and then when 9 of my friends who had driveshaft failures and another 3 who had quick drive belt issues I had to make the change. Yes I lost $600 on the trade and i spent a few more dollars and Yes I got my money back on my extended warranty and I am very happy with my new AC. This is the first time I have bought another brand other then Polaris and it will not be the last.

Maybe Polaris will wake up and smell the coffee but with design flaws and band aid fixes and then to make it worse we have some after market suppliers who think a makeshift big bore kit will fix the engine concerns after making the cylinder walls even thinner with a magical piston. Just like the driveshaft repair collar did not fix the driveshaft issues.

 

[knifedge]

R44

--If you paid for 2 engines at over $5k retail, you could have bought another brand new sled and your friend could have bought a turbo.

--Polaris has had some great chassis designs -- SKS , '97 RMK (still came with unbelievably the worst hydraulic brake system in history of sleds) , Edge, IQ, and now Pro. Out of all these chassis, which one has had an engine with standout reliability, or rather, which ones are known for premature engine failure?

 

[knifedge]

-- OEM Pro can and should be "fixed" and made to be more reliable and powerful out of the box, but should you have to? So in that respect, they seem to be overpriced since $2k - $3K is what it takes to do what Polaris should do in the first place.

 

[R44guy]

R44

--If you paid for 2 engines at over $5k retail, you could have bought another brand new sled and your friend could have bought a turbo.

--Polaris has had some great chassis designs -- SKS , '97 RMK (still came with unbelievably the worst hydraulic brake system in history of sleds) , Edge, IQ, and now Pro. Out of all these chassis, which one has had an engine with standout reliability, or rather, which ones are known for premature engine failure?

Knifedge, no fortunately I did not pay retail and the dealer quoted $6200 plus tax on the first one but I pulled the motors myself and had it rebuilt with new upgraded parts.

Either way $2950 still hurts for something that should of been covered by Polaris and the sled had 597 miles and was always warmed up before it was even moved at all under its own power. The second engine I had fail was already redone once by the previous owner and it only had 852 miles on it.

I also like the Polaris chassis but when the engine fails it does not matter how good the chassis is!

 

[knifedge]

-- IMO --Polaris probably will not make the necessary changes until they are held accountable by their customer base. Right now they seem to be more accountable to their investor base. All the charts and graphs probably continue to indicate more units sold and profitability in "as is" condition -- just add some BLING to keep people coming back.

-- But why not serve both bases well and have a reliable, high performance, and profitable product?

 

[wellfed777]

"I also like the Polaris chassis but when the engine fails it does not matter how good the chassis is!"

R44guy i wish that was true

knife i agree word of mouth and quality are the best advertisement and the best path for longevity is business hopefully polaris will figure that out

 

[WaBackcountry]

Just another way Polaris sticks you. OEM Polaris parts are often twice the cost of AC and the motors last 1/3 as long.

 

[Beauford t]

Well with that thinking then this year especially I would have to suggest Doo should reduce their price accordingly because of their obviously inefficient cumbersome system of transferring power to track. If it worked properly the alleged higher hp Doo should be totally dominating the 13 Pro, and it isn't, in fact it's in most cases we've seen, behind. Why should we have to pay for a clutch that apparently sucks up hp with no benefit, or where do you suggest that extra hp goes.

Not the right thread for this but your right! If I could get a skidoo without a primary for a slight discount that would be great, my 1200 has a TAPP and my old xp has a stm rage.