12 Pro 800 Took a Dump Yesterday!!

[wellfed777]

hpindy: ALRIGHT ALREADY ! we get it ! you hate polaris engines or polaris in general (ps i did not bad rep you ) (i guess you deleted your post ?)

Rizz: that sucks man i have to agree that a head and can aren't big mods
and should not have caused engine failure good luck getting it back together(sincerely)
polaris is being tighter on warranty work if you don't wanna put your dealer in a bind then put it back to stock before dragging her in

 

[mtncat1]

polaris has been around a long time. they know from there own failure analisis what is happening to these motors,they were not being honest with the consumer when they released engines with the extreamly loose piston tolerances that they have. do you think people would have purchased as many pros as they did if they would have known polaris's put pistons in the motors that were almost twice as loose as any other manufactures. tell me again who was being honest.p/s i have worked in car dealerships for over twenty five years i know how the waranty game is played.they put this thing together hoping their bandaid fix (installing loose pistons )wouldn't come back to bite them. well it has now they are trying any thing posible to get out of covering there product.

 

[Polaris2012]

forgot to say i too had my motor go at 700 miles crank bearing went then slapped my piston around till it broke a piece of cylinder off and then a huge chunk of piston ring.. finally all this decided they wanted to place in the crank for a while..

now i put extra oil in every tank i am not screwing around with turning up my oiler.. i have a little more piece of mind knowing i am doing the mixxing

Adding oil to the tank on these sleds only helps the pistons. Turn up your oiler and it will get into the crank as well. Checked my fuel/oil ration was coming from the factory. Mine was 60:1 my dads 12 was 45:1. I think they are leaning them out to get it past EPA. I turned mine up so I am 40:1 and add 4 oz to each tank. I also run ethanol free gas. So far have 840 trouble free miles.

 

[Norway]

You are either honest or you are not.

Yes, I have no argument to beat that sentence. But I believe that door should swing both ways, don't you?

Polaris sells me a brand new sled with piston/cylinder clearance close to their own service limit! I modify my sled for new reasons these days; improved reliability.

My own sled is now at that mileage where engines have started to blow, and my predicament is what replacement pistons to buy. I should not even be dreaming about this, I should be considering lightweight front end, Float shocks and a lightweight seat.

You have my utmost respect for your statement, truly! But in this case Polaris Industries are kind of leading the way in this 800CFI debackle.

If they want to be back up on the high horse in the mods vs. warranty claims, they need to stop selling us their r&d projects as consumer sleds.

 

[Oregonsledder]

Yes, I have no argument to beat that sentence. But I believe that door should swing both ways, don't you?

Polaris sells me a brand new sled with piston/cylinder clearance close to their own service limit! I modify my sled for new reasons these days; improved reliability.

My own sled is now at that mileage where engines have started to blow, and my predicament is what replacement pistons to buy. I should not even be dreaming about this, I should be considering lightweight front end, Float shocks and a lightweight seat.

You have my utmost respect for your statement, truly! But in this case Polaris Industries are kind of leading the way in this 800CFI debackle.

If they want to be back up on the high horse in the mods vs. warranty claims, they need to stop selling us their r&d projects as consumer sleds.

Regardless of what someone or some company does, that doesn't change my statement. If you want to find a way to justify being dishonest, that usually isn't too hard. Your choice.

 

[Rich07Dragon700]

Regardless of what someone or some company does, that doesn't change my statement. If you want to find a way to justify being dishonest, that usually isn't too hard. Your choice.

Then the honesty door should swing both ways!!! Polaris has been very dishonest on my wife's Polaris sleds in the past... Poo rejecting warranty on locked up reverse chain case, oil injection pump failure, ect.. Reverse gear cluster locked up, rejected because "WIFE" abused the steel gears by shifting too hard while stopped with the cheap, light weight plastic shift handle. They rejected the locked up oil pump at less then 900 miles because I was adding oil to fuel tank from day one due to very light oil usage... Wife has never returned her excellent 600 Ski-doo Renegade to dealer... She will never purchase another Polaris sled or ATV due to Poo always looking for reasons to reject warranty!!!

I had purchased 4 new Polaris ATV's & a 800 RZR Razor in two years but still Polaris rejected warranty on my 2010 800 RZR Razor's small, cheap vibrating drive shift & large amount of engine oil blowing into air filter housing after only 1000 miles, while still in the factory warranty. I contacted the "TERRIFIC" Wis Consumer Protection Agency that helped me work with an "EXCELLENT" "TOP" caliber Polaris attorney to take care of my 800 RZR Razor's engine problems!!!
*Even though the Polaris attorney was very helpful in getting Polaris to repair my 800 RZR Razor under warranty I still purchased a new 2012 Ski-doo 800XT Commander side x side & a new Can-Am Spyder trike in 2012. The same dealer had no hassle correcting a few minor Ski-doo issues under warranty.
Because of the EXCELLENT Polaris attorney I purchased an "EXCELLENT 2012 600 Pro R Switchback, not one problem... But if Polaris rejects just one $5.00 warranty problem I will never purchase another Polaris product!!! I will not accept Polaris rejecting sound warranty claims on their $12,00 products, I will then purchase a different brand!!!
*My rant over on Polaris warranty dept that tries very hard to drive customers to other brands!!!

 

[Oregonsledder]

Then the honesty door should swing both ways!!! Polaris has been very dishonest on my wife's Polaris sleds in the past... Poo rejecting warranty on locked up reverse chain case, oil injection pump failure, ect.. Reverse gear cluster locked up, rejected because "WIFE" abused the steel gears by shifting too hard while stopped with the cheap, light weight plastic shift handle. They rejected the locked up oil pump at less then 900 miles because I was adding oil to fuel tank from day one due to very light oil usage... Wife has never returned her excellent 600 Ski-doo Renegade to dealer... She will never purchase another Polaris sled or ATV due to Poo always looking for reasons to reject warranty!!!

I had purchased 4 new Polaris ATV's & a 800 RZR Razor in two years but still Polaris rejected warranty on my 2010 800 RZR Razor's small, cheap vibrating drive shift & large amount of engine oil blowing into air filter housing after only 1000 miles, while still in the factory warranty. I contacted the "TERRIFIC" Wis Consumer Protection Agency that helped me work with an "EXCELLENT" "TOP" caliber Polaris attorney to take care of my 800 RZR Razor's engine problems!!!
*Even though the Polaris attorney was very helpful in getting Polaris to repair my 800 RZR Razor under warranty I still purchased a new 2012 Ski-doo 800XT Commander side x side & a new Can-Am Spyder trike in 2012. The same dealer had no hassle correcting a few minor Ski-doo issues under warranty.
Because of the EXCELLENT Polaris attorney I purchased an "EXCELLENT 2012 600 Pro R Switchback, not one problem... But if Polaris rejects just one $5.00 warranty problem I will never purchase another Polaris product!!! I will not accept Polaris rejecting sound warranty claims on their $12,00 products, I will then purchase a different brand!!!
*My rant over on Polaris warranty dept that tries very hard to drive customers to other brands!!!

Simple solution... don't buy another Polaris. Buy something else that is better... if you can. Life is too short to be so pissed off over a toy at any price!

 

[Rich07Dragon700]

Simple solution... don't buy another Polaris. Buy something else that is better... if you can. Life is too short to be so pissed off over a toy at any price!

Yes most likely my next sled will not be a Polaris as I will not pay $12,000.00 and then have to fight Polaris rejecting sound warranty claims. The only reason that after the 2001, 2002 & 210 Polaris warranty rejections that I have purchased new Polaris sleds is due to my EXCELLENT Polaris dealer. He knows my frustrations with Poo rejecting sound warranty repairs. Especially after he had to call Polaris to get Poo to provide the accessory electrical plugs that were suppose to be supplied on my Snow Checked 2012 Pro R Switchback. I agreed with my Poo dealer that yes Poo has the right to change specs on their sleds. So next time will Poo change the spec on the 600cc Switchback to the good old 340cc engine or install a cheap cost reduced thin drive shaft that could fail, lock up the track or look no brakes at 100 MPH????? A 2014 Polaris sled will have to be $1500 less then a comparable Ski-doo sled before I would purchase another Polaris sled. Mainly because Poo's warranty dept is told to reduce warranty costs. Instead I suggest that Polaris should improve the quality of their sleds, such as to improve the thin failing alum/steel drive shaft, Q-Drive belts, even perhaps add a belt tension for the Q-Drive belts. Or how about adopting the good old big block "long rod" 800cc engine. You know the one that had the 440cc engines crank shaft size reduced so they cold increase the stroke of the 440cc engine into a crank breaking BB 800cc engine, etc, etc.......

 

[ak49er]

There are definiteley some shady sunza bishces on here.

Unfrikkin' beleivable.

Where did honesty and morality go?

A MAN should be judged on how he acts and what he does, when no one is looking.

Sorry a$$ ****kers.

 

[Newprorider]

Add Oil to the fuel?

New Polaris rider...2012 800 Pro...Question should I be adding oil to the fuel as stated above? I came from a Doo that used to drink oil...Its not that hard to add a little oil before a big ride for a little piece of mind...

 

[mtncat1]

i'm not saying be dishonest,im am saying polaris needs to stand behind there product.there are laws in the auto industry that say just because a vehicle has been upfited such as a custom van or truck, warranty cannot be denied due to non oem parts such as oil spark plugs ,custom wheels exhaust componants,seats etc. as long as the failure is not related to the componant replaced.say an engine fails during the warranty period and it has custom valve covers,or an oil filter that was not oem. this was common in the old days but not now.now if a warranty claim is denied there are laws that protect against this type of customer abuse.and also there are district reps.that also protect the customer from over zealous dealers.like i have said before polaris knows whats happening with their products. say a high compression head is installed on an engine and you broke a piston skirt or had a crank go bad this should be a warrantable item,but if the engine were to fail due to a burn down deto issue hole in the piston etc. that would not be covered. when they start getting defensive by denying claims they do so because they have a weak product.if they had confidence in their product the wouldn,t be as sensitive to modificaions. sorry for the long post i love my sled but they should be tring to improve rather than cover up.

 

[ak49er]

^^^ You are referring to the Magnuson-Moss Act regarding warranites.

It's time we recognnized that these sled are not as high-tech and as well built as say a street bike, even though they carry the same price tag. Sucks , but we choose to purchase them.

These engines are in reality little more than over-revving lawn mower engines, engineered right on the bleeding edge of failure to meet cost effectiveness, user wants, and EPA requirements.

And then we add a few more things that if absolutlety operated right (think HC Heads and High OCtane fuel) may actually last, but most don't because most people don't take care of their stuff, or even follow the Aftermarket manufactureres requirements.

And then they try to dupe the dealer and the OEM.

How the hell can a man stand their and lie to another, face to face.

Well, son, thats clearly not what a man would do.

Play with fire, get burned, and blame the match?

Get real.

 

[Norway]

And then they try to dupe the dealer and the OEM.

How the hell can a man stand their and lie to another, face to face.

Well, son, thats clearly not what a man would do.

Play with fire, get burned, and blame the match?

Get real.

Really? We are duping them with say a PAR head? Well son, it's pretty clear to me what polaris would do...

Sorry, did not mean to soap this thread. I'm out!

 

[Vfrtrader]

If the higher comp.PAR head caused DET because of bad fuel and that caused the failure, the owner pays. Anything else Polaris pays.

 

[JonezyBones]

Who honestly in here bought their new pro without knowing there was engine issues? If your on this forum then you damn well know you read some form of a post about this issue.

Now is it right that Polaris has an issue that they haven't addressed? No its not. But its the reason I got the four year warranty. I'm not sticking up for Polaris at all because I think it is crap this hasn't been addressed.

Lets be real though. When in life have you had something so good and so perfect that you thought it would last forever? Nothings perfect in this world so why would our hobbies be any different?

Perhaps it's because of you individuals that feel they need to stick it to Polaris or any other manufacturer out there that this hobby has become what it is today. Be a man. Ride it stock. Or expect to pay the price if you don't. Please don't ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[Latitude 62]

mtncat1, not to be a stickler, but, wouldn't a higher compression head increase crank pressure, rod bearing pressure, wrist pin pressure, case pressure, cylinder pressure, and piston pressure?

 

[mtncat1]

raising compression slightly in therory will put more stress on thoose componants, but in the field stress and wear on those parts is is really not going to be a factor. i rode my friends stock pro the other day and didn,t realize how much rkt pistons reduced the buzzing feel mostly at higher rpm. i think this may also be a factor in the skirt breaking issue. im no engineer though just my opinion

 

[Latitude 62]

I agree with RKT components being improved for the internals of the motor functioning and lasting in a more appropriate manner, designed to do that. Just adding a high compression head to an otherwise stock motor that ain't that durable in the first place will do nothing to help it last longer, and that is why Polaris would be able to question the warranty claim. It is justifiable imo.

 

[slyrydr]

so i buy this piece of junk engine and it has a head on it that is ok according to polaris, to be ridden at sea level....but i'm riding at 10k, so there's a lot less stress on their junk....so i put a little more compression back in the head, just to bring it back in line with what polaris says is ok at sea level....and i'm overstressing this pos ?.....if a second rate plowboy in idaho can come up with a better piston than polaris, why does polaris continue paying their engineers/accountants the salary they do ?...........

 

[RIZZ]

Dumper

Ok OK boys, Talked to Polaris today and it was the "Lower rod Bearing" that took a sh_t.
I appreciate all the help and arguments on this post! Sled should be ready soon
Back on top of that white stuff soon.