Are their heat issues for boonebocking and tree ridin? Will my 154 be enough track?
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Tree riding and boondocking with a turbo sled will generate more heat than a NA sled, but not to a piont where it causes any issues. Install plenty of vents and if you can take the "hood" off and let the air in. Some guys will run a snorkle to the outside of the sled for fresh air. If you like that look you could do that and not install vents.
The 154 wouldn't be my first choice, but it does ok if you learn how to ride it and it depends on the snow. I have a friend with a 154 turbo XP and it does good. It generates a tremendous amount of track speed and stays on top because of that. They wheelie up very nice too
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Dave Halverson
The 154 wouldn't be my first choice, but it does ok if you learn how to ride it and it depends on the snow. I have a friend with a 154 turbo XP and it does good. It generates a tremendous amount of track speed and stays on top because of that. They wheelie up very nice too
. Dave Halverson
Just out of curiosity what were you seeing for track speed on your 154 and 163 at 12 pounds??
Jake,
Knowing this is a mountian sled the only thing I will say about the speed on the flats is, it's stupid fast. Now for the mountian. You know the deal here, alot of variables, but I will say a nice conservative 60+mph. I think I have my Cat geared for 130mph and on the flats I have seen well over 100mph a few times. The Ski-Doo's we haven't played too much with the gearing, yet. Either way it's damn tough to take a peak. The nice thing about my XP is the max speed recall. I need to use it more often. I try not to get to caught up in the speed thing, but look at a more all around good setup. Something that keeps everything working together.
Dave Halverson
Knowing this is a mountian sled the only thing I will say about the speed on the flats is, it's stupid fast. Now for the mountian. You know the deal here, alot of variables, but I will say a nice conservative 60+mph
. I think I have my Cat geared for 130mph and on the flats I have seen well over 100mph a few times. The Ski-Doo's we haven't played too much with the gearing, yet. Either way it's damn tough to take a peak. The nice thing about my XP is the max speed recall. I need to use it more often. I try not to get to caught up in the speed thing, but look at a more all around good setup. Something that keeps everything working together.Dave Halverson
Sounds good sir. I like your ideas and ways of tuning...they line up with mine. I was just looking for a ball park.
Last time I blew a belt on my Cat was on the flats racing the turbo Rev and he said his speedo read 118 mph when I passed him. I know they are not accurate, but they will haul the mail. I tend to gear the Cat on the high side to help load the turbo and keep from shifting the belt out too far. The Ski-Doo clutches seem to hold the belt back more than the Cat clutching/gearing. I have always been one to play with the gearing and clutching. With the turbo XP's I just haven't had time to play with the gearing much. Next season I will though.
Dave Halverson
. I know they are not accurate, but they will haul the mail. I tend to gear the Cat on the high side to help load the turbo and keep from shifting the belt out too far. The Ski-Doo clutches seem to hold the belt back more than the Cat clutching/gearing. I have always been one to play with the gearing and clutching. With the turbo XP's I just haven't had time to play with the gearing much. Next season I will though.Dave Halverson
HOLY sheep chit!!! Next year is going to be a fricken hoot!!! Now, in general what effect does taller gearing have on a turbo sled when boondocking?? Does it feel like an overgeared NA sled does in the hills until it comes on boost?? Or does it help smooth everything out and just go from getting the sled moving to insane trackspeed seamlessly??
I have a bunch of gears that I messed with on my NA sled. I am currently 1 tooth down on the top and stock bottom and liked that best. Probably with the turbo I should go back to stock and raise from there??
Thanks
Jake
I have a bunch of gears that I messed with on my NA sled. I am currently 1 tooth down on the top and stock bottom and liked that best. Probably with the turbo I should go back to stock and raise from there??
Thanks
Jake
Back towards point a little bit better, do you have any completely assembled pics of your hotrod yet Dave?? Or are you in tear down mode still.
I'm in the teardown stages to write up the instructions and my chargetube and exhaust pieces are still out to be CNC bent in one piece. I missed calling them today to see if they decided they could build them. I need to get this all done and still sneak out for another test ride before all the snow is gone.
Dave
Dave
For those interested in a turbo kit you will need to send in your carb for the power jet install, barbed fittings and we will rejet and send them back along with your kit. The placement of the powerjet is tricky and you have a one chance try at getting the holes drilled in the carb bell and the carb top. Bending the powerjet siphon tube can be tricky also to get it to clear the slide at WOT.
Dave Halverson
Dave Halverson
Update on the charge tube and exhaust pieces. Good newsBad news
Good news, I got back with the company that was going to build my one piece charge tube and exhaust pieces. They can not build the charge tube in one piece so I will have to build them myself. The good news for me is the turbo down pipe. The bends in this thing makes it tough to hand build. A lot of cutting and welding. They can make it for me, but it will need to be about 3'' longer to get the two bends in there. I will just have to take that much out and shorten it and weld it back together. There would only be the one weld when finished. I am very happy with this. Just imagine the fabrication to build a tubular ? mark. They will be bending for me early next week and then shipping to me. Just a heads up to keep you in the loop.
Thanks
Dave Halverson
Bad newsGood news, I got back with the company that was going to build my one piece charge tube and exhaust pieces. They can not build the charge tube in one piece so I will have to build them myself. The good news for me is the turbo down pipe. The bends in this thing makes it tough to hand build. A lot of cutting and welding. They can make it for me, but it will need to be about 3'' longer to get the two bends in there. I will just have to take that much out and shorten it and weld it back together. There would only be the one weld when finished. I am very happy with this. Just imagine the fabrication to build a tubular ? mark. They will be bending for me early next week and then shipping to me. Just a heads up to keep you in the loop.
Thanks
Dave Halverson
We should also have some billet RAVE valve delete inserts available in a few months for those who want a cleaner look and more bling in the engine compartment. These will be an extra option. With the kit the way it is you will have to do our RAVE valve mod to keep the assemblies from blowing open and loosing boost.
We should also have our own laser or water jet cut clutch tower to engine mount brace for sale soon. This is not specific to the turbo, but recommended with the added power. It can be used on all XP's.
Dave Halverson
We should also have our own laser or water jet cut clutch tower to engine mount brace for sale soon. This is not specific to the turbo, but recommended with the added power. It can be used on all XP's.
Dave Halverson
Good deal Dave. That should make for a really cool exhaust dump!!
As for the engine to clutch mount brace, you are the only other guy to do it that way!! I built one a week after I got my sled and then the aftermarket ones came out that braced the clutch tower to some part of the chassis...not sure of the logic there. Yours will be a great addition to ALL XP platforms, the brace helps the clutching be far more conventional acting.
Thanks for the update. I am a couple septic systems away from giving you a ring. Let me know if you are going to able to test one more time this year...
Jake
As for the engine to clutch mount brace, you are the only other guy to do it that way!! I built one a week after I got my sled and then the aftermarket ones came out that braced the clutch tower to some part of the chassis...not sure of the logic there. Yours will be a great addition to ALL XP platforms, the brace helps the clutching be far more conventional acting.
Thanks for the update. I am a couple septic systems away from giving you a ring. Let me know if you are going to able to test one more time this year...
Jake
Thought I would post the latest info on the XP-T kits from R&D Custom Turbo Werx. The turbo reeds are in the line up for programming and should be ready ahead of the original release date of late summer, early fall. The exhaust parts I sent off should be back this week and I can start machine bending them on a computer aided CNC mandrel bender for consistancy and repeteablity. This is better for me because I don't have to hand build all the tight radius bends in the exhaust and for you it makes a cleaner looking kit. I hope to get one final test in within the next couple of weeks so I can also get some video for everyone . Should have 2 XP-T's (1-154" and my 163") and I'll also take my turboed Cat (162") for fun. Might also take a stock 09 163'' for stock vs turbo compare .
Since I have been working on the install and operating instructions I wanted to post the elevation/boost/fuel requirements I am recommending. We have deviated from these for our own testing purposes, but I will have to stick with these for the consumer. If you go outside of these recommendations--YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!
These are recommendations for fuel requirments with fuel pressure @ an idle pressure of 3-5psi.
1500' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
7-9 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
9-10 psi 112+ MON race fuel 100%
At 1500' elevation we do not recommend any boost over 10psi.
3000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
9-10 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
10-12 psi 112+ MON race fuel 100%
6000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
9-10 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
10-12 psi 112+ MON race fuel 100%
8000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
9-10 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
10-12 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
10000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
9-10 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
10-12 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
12000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
7-9 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
9-10 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
10-12 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
I know it looks like a lot of numbers and there is no doubt some insurance built in for the fuel recommendations for my security. I think most people will probably find a low boost setting and a high boost setting and stick with that. One boost setting or one fuel is defenately the easiest way to go. Just don't let the chart scare you. It really is easier than it looks. Bottom line is fuel is cheaper than a rebuild and if in doubt run higher octane fuel.
These kits were designed and tested to be sold for 10-12 psi of boost. Until people get used to that then they will start expierimenting on thier own and turn the boost up. I run over 15 psi on my personal sled on a diet of 114 fuel at 6000' and up.
Just some more info to consider.
Dave Halverson
. Should have 2 XP-T's (1-154" and my 163") and I'll also take my turboed Cat (162") for fun. Might also take a stock 09 163'' for stock vs turbo compare . Since I have been working on the install and operating instructions I wanted to post the elevation/boost/fuel requirements I am recommending. We have deviated from these for our own testing purposes, but I will have to stick with these for the consumer. If you go outside of these recommendations--YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!
These are recommendations for fuel requirments with fuel pressure @ an idle pressure of 3-5psi.
1500' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
7-9 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
9-10 psi 112+ MON race fuel 100%
At 1500' elevation we do not recommend any boost over 10psi.
3000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
9-10 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
10-12 psi 112+ MON race fuel 100%
6000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
9-10 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
10-12 psi 112+ MON race fuel 100%
8000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
9-10 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
10-12 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
10000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
7-9 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
9-10 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
10-12 psi 108+ MON race fuel 100%
12000' 5-7 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
7-9 psi 91 or better pump fuel 100%
9-10 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 70/30
10-12 psi 91 or better pump and race fuel 50/50
I know it looks like a lot of numbers and there is no doubt some insurance built in for the fuel recommendations for my security. I think most people will probably find a low boost setting and a high boost setting and stick with that. One boost setting or one fuel is defenately the easiest way to go. Just don't let the chart scare you
. It really is easier than it looks. Bottom line is fuel is cheaper than a rebuild and if in doubt run higher octane fuel. These kits were designed and tested to be sold for 10-12 psi of boost. Until people get used to that then they will start expierimenting on thier own and turn the boost up. I run over 15 psi on my personal sled on a diet of 114 fuel at 6000' and up.
Just some more info to consider.
Dave Halverson
Dave does your kit do anything with the knock sensor? Just heard they were to sensitive, could have heard wrong thow.
I have ran them with and without being bolted to the head and have not had an issue yet. I can't remember if I unplugged one or not to see if it would bring up a code. Keep it from knocking and all should be good. Not sure what else would set them off. Maybe someone could chime in and let me know.
I am going to redesign the wireing harness I build for these to have an unused + and - lead for the installation of the EGT or AFR gauges if guys want to tap into the power there instead of from behind the head light or out of the regulator. It will still be plug and play to the Ski-Doo harness and all turbo electric components and will still have the ACC plug for any Ski-Doo acessories you may have.
Dave Halverson
. Not sure what else would set them off. Maybe someone could chime in and let me know.I am going to redesign the wireing harness I build for these to have an unused + and - lead for the installation of the EGT or AFR gauges if guys want to tap into the power there instead of from behind the head light or out of the regulator. It will still be plug and play to the Ski-Doo harness and all turbo electric components and will still have the ACC plug for any Ski-Doo acessories you may have.
Dave Halverson
If anyone is interested in a complete turn key sled we have an 09 163'' with about 200 miles on it. Not sure on the price, but he was thinking of selling it for the "right price" and building another one. It wouldn't be available until all our shows are done or a 2010 model comes in and we turbo that. We can talk price if someone is serious about it.
. It wouldn't be available until all our shows are done or a 2010 model comes in and we turbo that. We can talk price if someone is serious about it.We will be doing some final testing this weekend due to our production parts and designs compared to the prototype parts and we should have some video for everybody. Obviously no powder, but hopefully we can find a little pull to load the turbo. I will be bringing my turboed M-7 as the comparison sled along with my 08 163 and another 08 154. Hopefully we can get on enough snow.
Dave Halverson
. I will be bringing my turboed M-7 as the comparison sled along with my 08 163 and another 08 154. Hopefully we can get on enough snow.Dave Halverson
I am interested in the sled you may have for sale. Is it a tried and tested turbod that you have faith in? What exactly will be installed on this sled?
The sled is my partner's sled and it is an 09 with less than 100 miles on it unboosted so far. We haven't got around to installing a kit on that one. It will be identical to the consumer kit with clutching, Koso egt's and Shockwave helix in the secondary. I'm not sure what he would want for it, he just told me if he could sell it, he would buy a 2010 and turbo it.
Dave
Dave
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