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Vertical Edge
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$2000 in mods? Yes I got $100 in vents and an HPS can and thats it.........
XP Review - BRP: PLEASE Build these RIGHT the First time!
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$2000 in mods? Yes I got $100 in vents and an HPS can and thats it.........
I've come to the conclusion I am not taking this forum's advice on any future sled "problems" I have regardless of what brand and make I buy from here on out.
If I can ride the thing, have a lot of fun on it, and it doesn't leave me stranded, and it works ok for me, then there really isn't a need for much else.
I'm sure that the new XP will prove to be a good sled sooner or later, but it's the same deal it was with the IQ .... or people who buy next-generation pickup trucks for that matter .... the first two years of a new generation are the "guinea pig years" and it always takes the MFG as long to get all the kinks worked out ...
Look at the difference between 2 years of IQ and the first RAW chassis. Proof is in the pudding ...
If I can ride the thing, have a lot of fun on it, and it doesn't leave me stranded, and it works ok for me, then there really isn't a need for much else.
I'm sure that the new XP will prove to be a good sled sooner or later, but it's the same deal it was with the IQ .... or people who buy next-generation pickup trucks for that matter .... the first two years of a new generation are the "guinea pig years" and it always takes the MFG as long to get all the kinks worked out ...
Look at the difference between 2 years of IQ and the first RAW chassis. Proof is in the pudding ...
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toys-4-us
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No surprises!!
Yep, got the motor out of the hawk today, and wasn't surprised what we found. Lets see, rod brke in half, broke the piston all to heck, punched a hole through the back of the case, and out the bottom, cut my reeds in half, dinged my head, and exhaust valve. Need pretty much a new motor, nothing changes, run a rotax 800, better have a spare on the shelf. And aboout the dragon motor bein reliable, how many have exploded in the first year. This is my second doo 800 motor in less than a year. I think that polaris 700 engines are pretty dang bullet proof, anyone want to contend that? Doss 700 motors were pretty bullet proof also, so are both manufactures 600's, but I would rather run a polaris 800 than a doo 800 any day, period.........Steve
Yep, got the motor out of the hawk today, and wasn't surprised what we found. Lets see, rod brke in half, broke the piston all to heck, punched a hole through the back of the case, and out the bottom, cut my reeds in half, dinged my head, and exhaust valve. Need pretty much a new motor, nothing changes, run a rotax 800, better have a spare on the shelf. And aboout the dragon motor bein reliable, how many have exploded in the first year. This is my second doo 800 motor in less than a year. I think that polaris 700 engines are pretty dang bullet proof, anyone want to contend that? Doss 700 motors were pretty bullet proof also, so are both manufactures 600's, but I would rather run a polaris 800 than a doo 800 any day, period.........Steve
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AkSummit
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Thats good for you but when I drop 11k on a sled I dont want to "hope" i get a good one.
The verdict isnt out on the poo vs doo 800 yet. Let's see how the season plays out and then reasses
After working on several revs, I would never own one. They ride fine and work great when they work. It blows my mind that you would engineer the bulkhead to bend rather than the a arms. My boss will have his second bent tunnel/bulkhead in his shop, but still manages to have the stock A-Arms! It is a shame that BRP like to test ideas out on the public instead of FOR the public. Poor marketing and poor engineering.
OK, first and foremost I must say
My last comment: The SKI-DOO XP is a TUNER'S Sled, not a "Pull & GO" Sled, if you cant tinker and know what you are doing, PLUS have a good Dealer near-by, DON'T buy an XP, I mean this sincerely as I hate people blindly spending BIG money and having issues they cant contend with.......... Hell, I don't liek it myself.
Regards, Slim.
Wish you would of got yours before I bought mine with my blinders on! I was glad to be rid of it as my mechanic skills pale compared to my riding skills.
haha summitboy i do agree with you say.
There is a lot of bragging about these sleds that are having the most problems.
There is a lot of bragging about these sleds that are having the most problems.
Were you beating the XP down the trail or up the hill in the snow? Just curious? I rode with 2 XP's in 5' deep bottomless sh!t and they impressed me. I just barely broke 100mls on my D8 163 but I just don't know if it will climb with the XP 16?X16. Plus Im fat
BTW the 2 XPs ran flawlessly all day. I see lots of guys complaining about them....Only thing I didn't like is the handle bars hit me in the nuts when I turn....Ill keep the Dragon
now injuring BALLS??
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Vertical Edge
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now injuring BALLS??
The way the bars pivot on the Dragon are a joke
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trinitypowder
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yup. it's true . The XP is so bad, it will make you sterile. Good thing I'm already fixed. If I weren't, I would have to buy a Polaris for the sake of carrying on the family name.
Goshdarn it Slim, now ya got me worried about mine....Go get
it and ride until your's is fixed, that way if the motor goes, warranty
will cover it.....
Any news on what exactly went on yours?
BK
it and ride until your's is fixed, that way if the motor goes, warranty
will cover it.....
Any news on what exactly went on yours?
BK
Not yet, I'm betting caught a ring............
You sure on riding yours????? The boyz were planning on riding tommorrow, and since I aint got a sled Jo is purdy bummed..........
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JROD
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For the record, I'm not brand loyal by any means but simply like to ride what works and my past few sleds have been Doos and everything that I'm seeing is bull$hit.
How is it that a highly paid engineer can design a Hyandai that will go for 200,000 miles and sell it for $12,000 and Rotax can't find an engineer good enough to design an engine that will last over 3000 miles. I understand that there are exceptions and some people have sleds that have lot and lots of miles but I don't care about one or two good engines.
Where's the consistancy? Where's the quality control? Has anyone taken a close look at the xp clutches? The bushings are so loose brand new and there's no excuse for it. Thus the reason for the inconsistancy in clutching from sled to sled not to mention the unforseeable damage that is happening the crank and bearings. How is it that these kinds of problems are even able to make it out of the factory?
Seriously I hope someone from BRP is reading all of this.
Also, do they have a couple of 15 year old kids doing their Research and Development. The majority of their clutching isn't even remotely close to what it should be. I can't see how they could ride any of their sleds with all the guards and lack of venting in place and somehow settle at what is now their current factory setup. DOES THIS SETUP WORK ANYWHERE? Hard snow? Powder? Drag racing? Cold conditions? Warm conditions? Honestly can anyone say that they haven't had issues?
Why doesn't BRP start recruiting a R&D team by finding tuners, racers, shop owners, experienced sled mechanics, and the like? Obviously something needs to change and Doo should be doing a little firing and hiring. I can understand that circumstances do happen but there is no excuse for these problems not being fixed year after year.
BRP is also able to build thousands upon thousands of sleds every year but can't outfit any of their customers with replacement parts. Last time I checked, the front "nun" piece was backordered as well as gears, chains, A-arms, driveshafts, and some clutch parts so those of you who just gave them your hard earned $11,000 can't even get the most out of your investment should you hit a rock etc.
Honestly I haven't bought a new sled ever because of all these reasons so I end up modding used sleds and customizing them to my own riding style and end up spending approximately what new sleds costs now. I always hear about how I don't get the warranty when I do that but what good is a warranty when you can't ride your sled for half a season? And while it's sitting in the shop, don't forget the it's depreciating in value like no other vehicle out there.
Hope I didn't offend anyone in my rant but I'm just as frustrated as most and would like to think that someone out there just might read this and be able to institute some sort of change.
How is it that a highly paid engineer can design a Hyandai that will go for 200,000 miles and sell it for $12,000 and Rotax can't find an engineer good enough to design an engine that will last over 3000 miles. I understand that there are exceptions and some people have sleds that have lot and lots of miles but I don't care about one or two good engines.
Where's the consistancy? Where's the quality control? Has anyone taken a close look at the xp clutches? The bushings are so loose brand new and there's no excuse for it. Thus the reason for the inconsistancy in clutching from sled to sled not to mention the unforseeable damage that is happening the crank and bearings. How is it that these kinds of problems are even able to make it out of the factory?
Seriously I hope someone from BRP is reading all of this.
Also, do they have a couple of 15 year old kids doing their Research and Development. The majority of their clutching isn't even remotely close to what it should be. I can't see how they could ride any of their sleds with all the guards and lack of venting in place and somehow settle at what is now their current factory setup. DOES THIS SETUP WORK ANYWHERE? Hard snow? Powder? Drag racing? Cold conditions? Warm conditions? Honestly can anyone say that they haven't had issues?
Why doesn't BRP start recruiting a R&D team by finding tuners, racers, shop owners, experienced sled mechanics, and the like? Obviously something needs to change and Doo should be doing a little firing and hiring. I can understand that circumstances do happen but there is no excuse for these problems not being fixed year after year.
BRP is also able to build thousands upon thousands of sleds every year but can't outfit any of their customers with replacement parts. Last time I checked, the front "nun" piece was backordered as well as gears, chains, A-arms, driveshafts, and some clutch parts so those of you who just gave them your hard earned $11,000 can't even get the most out of your investment should you hit a rock etc.
Honestly I haven't bought a new sled ever because of all these reasons so I end up modding used sleds and customizing them to my own riding style and end up spending approximately what new sleds costs now. I always hear about how I don't get the warranty when I do that but what good is a warranty when you can't ride your sled for half a season? And while it's sitting in the shop, don't forget the it's depreciating in value like no other vehicle out there.
Hope I didn't offend anyone in my rant but I'm just as frustrated as most and would like to think that someone out there just might read this and be able to institute some sort of change.
Jrod
Outstanding Writeup, I agree with you 100%.
Pretty sad isn't it .............................................
Outstanding Writeup, I agree with you 100%.
Pretty sad isn't it .............................................
Haha, you are one funny mofo.
The way you pivot around the XP's downfalls to praise it like how Wy T/A does if a fricken joke!
The way you pivot around the XP's downfalls to praise it like how Wy T/A does if a fricken joke!
They can market junk so well though.
Poor marketing? Sorry, but they do an excellent job of marketing their sub-par sleds. They just say it is the lightest with 150hp with the best power to weight ratio, and it sells. And guys still don't understand that they are still sub-par as the clutching is off, gearing, etc. And their engines still can't stay running. . .
Poor marketing? Sorry, but they do an excellent job of marketing their sub-par sleds. They just say it is the lightest with 150hp with the best power to weight ratio, and it sells. And guys still don't understand that they are still sub-par as the clutching is off, gearing, etc. And their engines still can't stay running. . .
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Marvelous
just because i like my sled a LOT doesnt mean it doesnt have problems and i want them addressed as much as anyone out there,
where were you when our group went thru about 15 or more cranks on our 800 poo's.
Where were you when our friends blew up 4 sx vipers in a 2 week span..
You seem real fast to jump on somebody that likes a sled even if its got some issues..
Go over to the cat section and jump on all the guys that have issues with the m8 and m1000 and still like them or the guys with the new Dragons that are having some problems..
Just the norm for you Marv..nothing constructive to say so find somebody to Beotch about...go for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just because i like my sled a LOT doesnt mean it doesnt have problems and i want them addressed as much as anyone out there,
where were you when our group went thru about 15 or more cranks on our 800 poo's.
Where were you when our friends blew up 4 sx vipers in a 2 week span..
You seem real fast to jump on somebody that likes a sled even if its got some issues..
Go over to the cat section and jump on all the guys that have issues with the m8 and m1000 and still like them or the guys with the new Dragons that are having some problems..
Just the norm for you Marv..nothing constructive to say so find somebody to Beotch about...go for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I second that. If they go backwards to the 670 I will have to change brands AGAIN!
A 700 VES polaris motor would be better.
I got 3 numbers and one word for you: 900 RMK.
I am still waiting for my letter of apology from Mr. Tom Tiller, then perhaps the Polaris will be up for consideration.
The nun is supposed to be the weak point, not the bulkhead. Sounds like someone is beefing up the nun and bending the bulkhead instead, bad idea. Ever dig in to the front of an IQ RMK? The plastic is so brittle and flimsy that it breaks with even a slight contact.
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