XP Owners - Have Faith!! Long post, but a MUST read!
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I tried my hardest to do the proper belt crap. The first half hour was just taken my 2 year old for rides in the hay field. Only got 60 miles out of my belt. And was about an inch from a full shift on the primary. Im not complaining just want some help.
Just got back from Cooke and have 190 miles on the new sled. No belt issues and it ran great. I did clean the primary clutch before I rode it and sprayed it off again after about 60 miles.
Didn't break the belt in much, just rode it hard after about 5 miles. Belt looks good yet.
Didn't break the belt in much, just rode it hard after about 5 miles. Belt looks good yet.
My XP rocks as well. I haven't had it in the deep stuff yet but have done a couple of long steep pulls in hero snow and was impressed. My belt still looks good but I will wait until I get it in the pow before commenting . And ya I didn't break my grips in properly and they don't work any more. Dealer set fix is on it way, when is Christmas again LOL
How do you know how to ride a $1000 hooker?
Ya know Jo, I was thinking the same thing....
also, adjusting to our relative low cost of living, our rural location
(being close to Rigby,) it's really more like 2 shots of tequila and a few nice
compliments about her big hair...save's ya $994.00
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Here's one hint. I have knocked 16 lbs off my 154, another 26 lbs is in the works, that makes a total weight loss of 42 lbs, if you believe the original DOO weights, that makes my 154 weigh in dry at 397
can ya make any comments on yer diet??
Just got back from Revy tonight, was there for three great days, lots of powder to be had, fresh- 10" in town - 2' in hills tues. night. My 154 has 484 miles on her, no blown belts, but lots of hills blown over, this sled rips, and gets on top of the snow like no other sled I have ever riden. Like was said before, a little care needs to be taken. Then you will have a big smile all day, enjoy.--Ken
Excellent to hear KEN!!
484 miles already ???????
Man YOU SUCK!!!!
Diet:
HPS Can - 11.5
Eliminate all plastic/Foam - 1
3 to 2 BWK & Shaft - 2.0
Clutch guard -1.5
Pipe Insulation - 3.0
Sway Bar & Links - 1.5
Hiper fax /loose Bogies - 6.0
Swap to Slydog Ski's - 1.5
Suspenion - 17.0
Oops math error only - 45
484 miles already ???????
Man YOU SUCK!!!!
Diet:
HPS Can - 11.5
Eliminate all plastic/Foam - 1
3 to 2 BWK & Shaft - 2.0
Clutch guard -1.5
Pipe Insulation - 3.0
Sway Bar & Links - 1.5
Hiper fax /loose Bogies - 6.0
Swap to Slydog Ski's - 1.5
Suspenion - 17.0
Oops math error only - 45
Sorry Slim, about the miles, ( ya right) but ya know some of us save $ ,for the winters and chase the snow storms. What a life but somebody should do it and I'm glad it's me. Powder Bound--Ken
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bigbird
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484 miles already ???????
Man YOU SUCK!!!!
Diet:
HPS Can - 11.5
Eliminate all plastic/Foam - 1
3 to 2 BWK & Shaft - 2.0
Clutch guard -1.5
Pipe Insulation - 3.0
Sway Bar & Links - 1.5
Hiper fax /loose Bogies - 6.0
Swap to Slydog Ski's - 1.5
Suspenion - 17.0
Oops math error only - 45
What suspension?
Ttt
for info
Belt talley on our 4 XP's:
1). 154 = 600 miles
2). 154 = 525 miles (mine)
3). 146 = 445 miles (Wifey's)
4). 154 = 337 miles
All original belts,been hammering them in 4 ft of pow.
for info
Belt talley on our 4 XP's:
1). 154 = 600 miles
2). 154 = 525 miles (mine)
3). 146 = 445 miles (Wifey's)
4). 154 = 337 miles
All original belts,been hammering them in 4 ft of pow.
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We've got the new belts on Jos & mine.
Going out this morning to break in (2) of the 377 belts, and 1 new motor. Will do the same break in procedure as I posted here.
Will report back. The 377 is much stiffer and wider, 1-7/16th inch on top1-1/4 inch on bottom, 17 inchs inside span if you pinch the belt together in the middle.
I can see where we will have a better range of deflection adjustment, but our 166 belts are still fine tho ....................
Going out this morning to break in (2) of the 377 belts, and 1 new motor.
Will do the same break in procedure as I posted here.Will report back. The 377 is much stiffer and wider, 1-7/16th inch on top1-1/4 inch on bottom, 17 inchs inside span if you pinch the belt together in the middle.
I can see where we will have a better range of deflection adjustment, but our 166 belts are still fine tho ....................
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canucklehead
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Slim, does RMS have anymore belts? My dealer doesn't have any yet and I know a guy going through there on Monday. Maybe we can put my name on one?
Slim, does RMS have anymore belts? My dealer doesn't have any yet and I know a guy going through there on Monday. Maybe we can put my name on one?
picked up my new 377 belt today. am told 1mm wider,4mm shorter and harder compound .also added more weight and regeared. i see a major improvement. here KITTY, KITTY!
Sorry ,my dealer told me they only got 50 new belts in , only 1 per customer to look after all the chronics until the rest arrive.
Lots of Belt & Gear threads recently so................
To the top
To the top
Cut and Paste to the TOp - And added secondary Cog Fix. Sorry Triple Threat!
Here's my suggestions, and advice on why our 4 XP's are wicked bad sleds:
#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. We have (3) 154's and (1) 146 with a total of about 450 miles, NO blown belts, let me repeat NO blown belts. I feel this is why; Beforethe first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.
#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.
#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. For now, I have removed the shock tower button plug, and cutout the small triangle section of the panel and covered with screen. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.
#4. Gearing change will help, but (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.
#5. Now the fun part, QUIT worrying about the performance until you hit about the 100 mile mark, when It wakes up,OMFG!! Its like a different sled, exrtemely fast and one of the most impressive mid-ranges I have ever rode. At first I could not go past 60mph, later that day when it changed,It pulled hard to 90.
#6. Once you hit this break-in sweet spot, NOW you can clutch, IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out, I had our dealer leave both Jo's 146 and my
#7. Forgot about the secodary/Oil issue. On the maiden breakin rides, I packed along a roll of paper towels and alcohol. When BRP did the chaincase/breather update and changed out the chaincase cover, many sleds came with the fresh oil spilt under the motor. During the course of first rides, MANY if not most all of the riders didnt wipe this up, BRP mistake yes, but you can cover their azz by cleaning this up during each 5 mile stop, we did, after the 15 mile stop,no more oil. And none on the belt.
#8. Cut Your secondary Cog. The slots are in the secondary center cog, the "black" plastic piece that you adjust your belt deflection, loosen the inner aluminum nipple and take out the whole thing, you will see the slots that are not cut completely, take out the "O" ring, cut the four slots carefully with a hacksaw, put back the "O" and re-install and tighten the nipple down firm but DON't strip it
Here's my suggestions, and advice on why our 4 XP's are wicked bad sleds:
#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. We have (3) 154's and (1) 146 with a total of about 450 miles, NO blown belts, let me repeat NO blown belts. I feel this is why; Beforethe first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.
#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.
#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. For now, I have removed the shock tower button plug, and cutout the small triangle section of the panel and covered with screen. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.
#4. Gearing change will help, but (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.
#5. Now the fun part, QUIT worrying about the performance until you hit about the 100 mile mark, when It wakes up,OMFG!!
Its like a different sled, exrtemely fast and one of the most impressive mid-ranges I have ever rode. At first I could not go past 60mph, later that day when it changed,It pulled hard to 90.#6. Once you hit this break-in sweet spot, NOW you can clutch, IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out, I had our dealer leave both Jo's 146 and my
#7. Forgot about the secodary/Oil issue. On the maiden breakin rides, I packed along a roll of paper towels and alcohol. When BRP did the chaincase/breather update and changed out the chaincase cover, many sleds came with the fresh oil spilt under the motor. During the course of first rides, MANY if not most all of the riders didnt wipe this up, BRP mistake yes, but you can cover their azz by cleaning this up during each 5 mile stop, we did, after the 15 mile stop,no more oil. And none on the belt.
#8. Cut Your secondary Cog. The slots are in the secondary center cog, the "black" plastic piece that you adjust your belt deflection, loosen the inner aluminum nipple and take out the whole thing, you will see the slots that are not cut completely, take out the "O" ring, cut the four slots carefully with a hacksaw, put back the "O" and re-install and tighten the nipple down firm but DON't strip it
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