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XP Owners - Have Faith!! Long post, but a MUST read!

I will go out on a SOLID limb and make a bold statement: Those XP owners that are complaining about their XP's ............ You started your whining to SOON! ;)

I have been biting my lip for the last month watching all the complaining and issues new owners have been voicing about their 154 Everst XP's. Waiting since we wanted to go thru our Break-in/Set-up/Tuning procedues.

Wite this down ................ The XP is the MOST impressive machine I have ever seen/ridden .....PERIOD! (Turbo/Superchargers excluded but who cares IMHO )

Here's my suggestions, and advice on why our 4 XP's are wicked bad sleds:

#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. We have (3) 154's and (1) 146 with a total of about 450 miles, NO blown belts, let me repeat NO blown belts. I feel this is why; Beforethe first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.

#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.

#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. For now, I have removed the shock tower button plug, and cutout the small triangle section of the panel and covered with screen. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.

#4. Gearing change will help, but (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.

#5. Now the fun part, QUIT worrying about the performance until you hit about the 100 mile mark, when It wakes up,OMFG!!:eek: Its like a different sled, exrtemely fast and one of the most impressive mid-ranges I have ever rode. At first I could not go past 60mph, later that day when it changed,It pulled hard to 90.

#6. Once you hit this break-in sweet spot, NOW you can clutch, IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out, I had our dealer leave both Jo's 146 and my 154 primary weights in, and now we are STILL both over reving even at 8000 ' el. I intend to re-clutch ;)

There are a bunch of other tuning tips to be had for this sled, but I cant tell you ALL the good stuff :D:D:D

If you are not LOVING this sled, then you most likely are one that just pulls the cord and pins a brand new sled on your first ride, out of the box, not setup and in 4 feet of fresh snow and then GEE, you blow a belt at 34 miles ;) ................ and then goes back to your dealer and *****es that its a POS ;) Granted there are exceptions, but all in all, this is a sled that once set up and broken in smartly will ROCK the snowmobile world, once again; "Just this Old mans opinion" ;)

Hope this helps, good luck!
 
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Riding budy rode his 163 WFO from the first pull of the chord in fresh deep duff and didn't have any belt issues either....but you're right, it does need some clutching work, adding weight for starters. Glad they are working out good for some! I'm sure Doo will have updates for those that aren't into the clutching scene.
 
Thanks for the post. There is getting to be so much negativity about this sled you don't know what to believe.
 
good write up SLIM-mine was rocking :Dyesterday and today till something seized.:eek:.was in clicker 2 at 9500 feet and runnig 8000 to 8200 rpms. was going to have the dealer put back in some weight ,,well he'll have time to doo it now..
 
Finally

It's nice to hear some true, positve experience from these sleds. I just bought one and dont know what to expect. It's a 163 model and should work relitivly well.

Your post brings me good news and I look forward to riding.

Chaz
 
Ditto

Thanks Slim, Ditto on the break-in. Now I'm pushing 200 miles and a perfect belt!!! Heading back to Revy again on the 17th to hook uip with bubbies. It is a totally awesome sled period!!! Keep the belt "high" in the secondary, to the cord. "mash the gas and pack the ski's"!!!
 
Ditto

I will go out on a SOLID limb and make a bold statement: Those XP owners that are complaining about their XP's ............ You started your whining to SOON! ;)

I have been biting my lip for the last month watching all the complaining and issues new owners have been voicing about their 154 Everst XP's. Waiting since we wanted to go thru our Break-in/Set-up/Tuning procedues.

Wite this down ................ The XP is the MOST impressive machine I have ever seen/ridden .....PERIOD! (Turbo/Superchargers excluded but who cares IMHO )

Here's my suggestions, and advice on why our 4 XP's are wicked bad sleds:

#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. We have (3) 154's and (1) 146 with a total of about 450 miles, NO blown belts, let me repeat NO blown belts. I feel this is why; Beforethe first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.

#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.

#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. For now, I have removed the shock tower button plug, and cutout the small triangle section of the panel and covered with screen. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.

#4. Gearing change will help, but (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.

#5. Now the fun part, QUIT worrying about the performance until you hit about the 100 mile mark, when It wakes up,OMFG!!:eek: Its like a different sled, exrtemely fast and one of the most impressive mid-ranges I have ever rode. At first I could not go past 60mph, later that day when it changed,It pulled hard to 90.

#6. Once you hit this break-in sweet spot, NOW you can clutch, IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out, I had our dealer leave both Jo's 146 and my 154 primary weights in, and now we are STILL both over reving even at 8000 ' el. I intend to re-clutch ;)

There are a bunch of other tuning tips to be had for this sled, but I cant tell you ALL the good stuff :D:D:D

If you are not LOVING this sled, then you most likely are one that just pulls the cord and pins a brand new sled on your first ride, out of the box, not setup and in 4 feet of fresh snow and then GEE, you blow a belt at 34 miles ;) ................ and then goes back to your dealer and *****es that its a POS ;) Granted there are exceptions, but all in all, this is a sled that once set up and broken in smartly will ROCK the snowmobile world, once again; "Just this Old mans opinion" ;)

Hope this helps, ggod luck!

ROde today & broke the 100 mile mark. This sled came out to play!!!! Handling is just second to none!! Sled isn't shifting all the way out ( I know OT:p) At this point, I will put 2gms back in or even swap out the primary spring. I need more weight to have it shift all the way out (missing by ~1/4") still hitting 85-90mph though & my clickers on #3 & tacking at 81-8200...at 95-10K feet. My thumb warmer joined my lt hand grip today at the picket line & don't plan on working until BRP comes up with a fix.
 
Ahh...light at the end of the tunnel!:)

somebody should invent a belt break-in machine:present:

but my first belt may be a sacrifice cause my engine break-in procedure is more important to me..full blast!! :eek: but thats just me:D
 
I don't think the 163s are prone to the belt issues like the 154s are. The secondary definitely needs to be paid a great deal of attention. The QRS works very well when it is adjusted and when it stays adjusted. The secondary does not close as much as it was originally designed. Take it apart and see for yourself it does not touch where BRP machined the inside of the sheaves. I have seen some machine the inside of the clutch to allow the clutch to close to spec. This allows the belt to be adjusted to proper deflection once the belt is stretched after breakin. A lot of guys are adjusting them with way to much deflection. The belt is almost too long for the transmission. The plastic adjuster is way to mickey mouse for this type of setup. All we can do is wait and adjust frequently. I know someone who is making a piece that will replace the plastic and use the old style set screws to adjust the deflection. BRP is on the right track but kind of fell short in a way. Someone said it best that BRP's marketing is light years ahead of their engineering, LOL !
 
#3 When you remove the plastic from the clutch guard, cut off and leave attached the plastic block that's just above the clutch guard retaining clip. (Just cut it off from the rest off the plastic with a saw )....That plastic blocks attached to the belt guard acts as backing and helps supports the entire body panel as it wraps around the footwell and attaches.

You can also remove the monkey wrench holder and pack what you need in your backpack.

OT
 
slim if you have some more tricks why not share them, its not like your giving info to the enemy
 
Awesome news from ya Slim!!

It is great of you to pass on the info to others.

I have been pushing belt break in for years--but you are showing them the importance--the heat cycles are huge to the belt.

Kinda knew venting was going to have to be added--but I am thinking that there are alot of pull and go riders that we have heard the negetive from.
I know that if your hot grips are not working--and your engine is cutting out on top end--turn off your grips and see how it runs--it cured the missing issue on 2 XP800's that I know of.

Good riding and will look forward to more reports.

Sorry about your wipeout with the trailer and all:( but glad to her all is well since and no physical injures to you or the wife!!


H20SKE...
 
WOW.... Slim,, you are SMRT! I have a 163,,,, 370 miles,,,, it rocks. Everyone forgets there are alot of things on a sled we need to change to make it run with the big dogs. If they can't figure it out, get a 500 & have fun.
 
I agree 100% with Slim. I was terrified by all the crap posted on here that I would hate this sled. After 5 years on cat I was ready for a change. This is the most impressive out of the box sled I have ever ridden, second would have to be my M1000 last year. Have close to 40miles on it and cant wait to get over 100 so I can do a few changes.
 
Holy butt pucker Batman!!!!!!!

After all of the posts I have been reading about the issues concerning the premature wearing of belts I must admit I was a little nervous; however, after 50 miles of roads, moderate boon docking and a couple short hard pulls to say I am impressed with this machine is an understatement. I did stop about every 5 miles to check the belt and clutch. One thing I did find was the secondary had some lubricant of some sort coming out of the center and working its way towards the belt which would have been disaster if it had gotten on the belt or in the primary. I wiped it off several times and it seemed to be of a clear consistency almost like Vaseline. I don't know if this is some sort of assembly lube or what but it needs to be watched during belt break-in. The secondary did seem hotter than usual after short rips, I had my buddy on my 05 Rev behind me and it was deftly cooler. This may be because mine was still breaking in. However it did seem to be running a little cooler after belt break in. (30-40 miles). I did have to clean a little residue off the primary (40 miles) with a scotch bright pad but the belt looks like new. I will soak it in hot soapy water and clean the clutches again before next ride. My conclusion so far is this is a sled that 2-3 years ago would have cost 20,000+ grand to build. Any company pushing the envelope like Doo is, would have there own problems.
So if I have to put up with a few issues while BRP figures out the solution then so be it, It's still a small price to pay for a KICK A$$ sled!!!!!

UPDATE.......hit the 100 mile mark Friday, and holy butt pucker batman!!!!!!
this thing is gett'en better all the time. Running same belt however left hand warmer quite.

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