This was during the Pro break-in. It has less than 100 miles, therefore only less than 1/2 throttle.
This your perception of bottomless powder?
xm vs pro
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This your perception of bottomless powder?
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snobyrd
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With all that advertised xm hp, it should be walkin all over that derated low compression pro engine. NOT I've been killing xps all winter, the powderery the sno, the more the pro kills the xm, weather its in a deep creek bed, or on a hill, my little pro just gets up and floats and goes, also the pros throttle response is #1 in the biz.
What is that supposed to mean?
If u go by the feel of the bars when u hit the throttle, u need to try a 13 cat snopro!
If ur talking about clutching and reving, u need to try a 13 cat snopro!
The pro is not bad by any means but it doesn't pull like a cat!
If ur squeezing the throttle and it revs? They all feel the same to me.
I'm not trying to be an azz! I just don't understand ur statement.
In Washington snow my little 153 out climbs the 163 pros easily!
The pro is a great sled, it will without a doubt sidehill steeper slopes than any sled I have ridden! Its easy on belts, easy to get un-stuck, and super easy to ride! And from what I hear they climb good in dry fluffy snow. We dont get dry fluffy snow here in Washington or Oregon.
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cbc24
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We went ridng for 3 days with a new 12 cat, 13pro 2 13 xms one 146 and one 154and my 12 155 assault
The 154 doo had clutch work and slayed us all, second would be the pro and it really wasnt far off, 3rd was a toss up between the 146 and kitty, I was a little behind, not by much. Pretty much take your pick, they both got pros and cons.
The 154 doo had clutch work and slayed us all, second would be the pro and it really wasnt far off, 3rd was a toss up between the 146 and kitty, I was a little behind, not by much. Pretty much take your pick, they both got pros and cons.
You guys are killing me. Here is the honest truth about which is the better sled. Since I have been on these forums I have owned yamaha, ski doo, arctic cat, and polaris sleds and you know what? They are ALL good sleds now a days. You guys need to just go out and ride and enjoy the pow while it's here unlike me who has a new sled but no trailer to haul it with...
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Jaynelson
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Seriously....all 3 are so close that it really boils dows to who's riding it and who's on their game that day. If you want a sled to improve you riding, i would base the decisions mostly on which ergos fit your body type the best and is the easiest for YOU to ride...not the internet. Also, If your idea of a serious ride is taking pokes at a wide open hill all day to see who goes 10 feet higher than who, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it. Ill bet my sled that you aren't a good enough rider to wring out any new stock machine to its max potential. Not saying I am, just sayin....
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x2...looking where he plays he would fail any sobriety tests stone cold sober...lol..
the drunks would be the fella's wanting to follow him...lol..
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McTwist700
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I love my xm sure I would have loved a pro if I had bought one. I'm not brand specific just go with what I want they are both awesome mountain machines.
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Slick
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FWIW, 10 of us out yesterday messing around on pipelines/cutlines, had a ball. Got to a lake, 6-8 inches snow witha skinny crust, got to racing a bit. Had fun but same result as last report, with 10 witnesses, 154 XM vs 155 Pro both 13's, switched riders each race 3 times fair starts, Pro by a bit all 3 times. Not a big margin, but definitive. Now I know these are mountain specific, not built for drag racing but its interesting this year, Poo seemed to get their **** together with this years Pro. I love the XM this year also, got to ride one quite a bit on the pipeline, deep snow and I really like it. It's got a lot of similarity to the Pro but is still a different in lots of ways, both awesome sleds and great choices. In the comparisons we've witnessed and listened to, it seems the Pro has a bit of an advantage in the deep snow when climbing also, again not much but certainly consistently a bit ahead. I believe when the snow gets a bit heavier, denser and less fluffy, the edge will probably shift back to the XM, mainly cause of the track. The Pro really seems to excel in the deeper powder getting unstuck, climbing with less trenching. What a great year we r gonna have.
Ski Doo and Polaris are busy duking it out to see who is the top dog in the mountain segment. Meanwhile Cat is busy competing against Yamaha. that should tell you something about Cat.
Ski Doo wins based purely on reliability. Polaris builds the best sled on the mountain but they can't keep it on the mountain!
Reliability means never breaking down - saw that in a Chevy ad.
Ski Doo wins based purely on reliability. Polaris builds the best sled on the mountain but they can't keep it on the mountain!
Reliability means never breaking down - saw that in a Chevy ad.
I find it interesting that this opinion is favored here on snowest so much. I ride an '11 pro that just turned 2400 miles on the original motor. In my goup there's another '11 with just over 2000 miles, a '12 with about 1900, and some lower miled '11s and '12s along with a few '13's, all pro 800's. None of these guys in my group have EVER blown an engine.
I only ride with a few guys here and there that own E-techs. They seem to like them quite a bit. The thing that would worry me about running a doo with the mileage that I have on my polaris is the fact that the ski-doo E-tech does not have any oil going to the crank bearings. That's right, no oil! It's a fact! How long can the crank last like that?
How can anyone say the doo has the more reliable motor?
I bought a 2010 summit 600 e-tec from a rental outfit in Oregon last spring. It had a bad crank when I got it, but it had just over 9000 miles on the original engine, top and bottom.
9000 miles, that's how long the e-tec can last with out oiling to the crank!
You really should get some facts before attempting to show your knowledge, E tec has sealed crank bearings and the oiler does dose into the cases , the only bearings that get oiled are the Rod bearings, Since the fuel is injected directly into the head the oil that enters the cases doent get washed out from the fuel and totally coats all the parts. a very good oiling system that has proven to be consistent. there more of a concern having enough oil on the cylinder walls than a crank problem..
Actually I do have the facts right. Where exactly did I get a fact wrong? It's a fact that the crank bearings do not get any oil injection in an e-tech. Yes the main bearings are a sealed bearing. They get packed with grease from the factory, then they get no more lube until they either blow or you split the cases yourself to replace them.
I've heard some 600 e-tech's go a long ways on the original crank. Pretty sure this thread is comparing the pro 800 to the xm 800 am I right? What's the average life expectancy of an e-tech 800 crank? More than 2400 miles?
I've heard some 600 e-tech's go a long ways on the original crank. Pretty sure this thread is comparing the pro 800 to the xm 800 am I right? What's the average life expectancy of an e-tech 800 crank? More than 2400 miles?
Pardon me, I just re-read my posts, I should have specified "the crank MAIN bearings do not get any oil injection" That is what I consider the "crank bearings" to be. Rod bearings do get indirect injection from whatever oil is spitting around in the case. Not really a point though since it's impossible to direct inject oil to the rod bearings
I would expect 5k miles on the bottom end.The sealed bearings have been standard since 2010 and have shown great results.they are grease filled w Isoflex and unless a seal goes they last well.The Poo has outer bearing seals which can blow just the same way.the E Tec motors have been having longevity like no other motor.
The difference is the poo has a steady supply of lube feeding those bearings, whereas a doo does not.
I really do hope you get 5k+ miles out of your crank. I believe that is over double the average you could expect out of a single application of grease to a sealed bearing spinning at 8k rpm under some pretty extreme temps, but maybe doo has it figured out?
