Wolves removed from Endangered Species list

[Skogen]

Yes a proven killer. To good of a killer.

I say we teach them that greenies and tree huggers taste like chicken!

 

[Dbook]

if all have not forgotten our ancestors got rid of this animal for a reason, yes they eat the elk and deer but when they get through with them they move on to your livestock, think about

Are those the same smart fuggers that exterminated the Buffalo too?

 

[mtn_extreme]

Are those the same smart fuggers that exterminated the Buffalo too?

Funny, I drive buy a herd of buffalo every day, go figure????

 

[flatlander_99]

sounds similar to our yote problem in mn. sw mn is bad & i even found this on the twin cities news site.
http://search.kare11.com/sp?p=/photogallery/index&photo=2&sNum=1&catId=&locId=&sort=email&skin=

 

[Dbook]

Funny, I drive buy a herd of buffalo every day, go figure????

Yes and I am sure they are roaming the wild like they used to too? Weird how they are all fenced in!

 

[Beels]

Yes and I am sure they are roaming the wild like they used to too? Weird how they are all fenced in!

Why, would you want one roaming in your yard?

 

[kssnow987]

So how does one go about hunting a wolf? Killed coyotes before, but fish game prob ally wont let you run over wolves on your sled.

I know a guy that hunts them in Alaska, they hunt from a plane, need deep snow or they are to hard to catch up with

 

[Nate]

They just need to manage them, not go out and quickly kill 1200 of these things, just manage them. Manage them closely

 

[mtn_extreme]

Yes and I am sure they are roaming the wild like they used to too? Weird how they are all fenced in!

I don't get your point here, like Beels said - you want one in your back yard?


Could it be that there are no bison left in the wild because they were not "MANAGED"?

And how does a Bison compare to a predator that kills for sport?

 

[Raff_9001M]

Legit question here

Do ranchers recieve compensation when their livestock are killed by wolves?
Can't remember

 

[Ollie]

Legit question here

Do ranchers recieve compensation when their livestock are killed by wolves?
Can't remember

As long as the wolf was on the Endangered list, yes.
Since they have been delisted, no clue.

 

[Jimmy]

I don't get your point here, like Beels said - you want one in your back yard?


Could it be that there are no bison left in the wild because they were not "MANAGED"?



And how does a Bison compare to a predator that kills for sport?

Human's kill for sport.....

 

[Dbook]

I don't get your point here, like Beels said - you want one in your back yard?

If I lived in thier habitat then yes I would expect to see one. Much like I see deer, elk, bears and Mountain lions.


Could it be that there are no bison left in the wild because they were not "MANAGED"? The same could be said of the wolf.

And how does a Bison compare to a predator that kills for sport?

The original point was our ancestors did not always make the best choices. Per my original quote on the subject.

 

[Skogen]

Legit question here

Do ranchers recieve compensation when their livestock are killed by wolves?
Can't remember

Livestock producers can and do receive compensation. But it is tricky. It has to be a "Proven" wolf kill. There are alot of loop holes for them to say it is not a proven wolf kill. And they only pay the "market value". So in my case, a yearling bred heifer is worth about (depending on Market) anywhere from .85 cents to a 1.00 per pound.

Figure 1.00 per pound for easy Math.
At 950 pounds, they are worth $950.00. (a bred Heifer does not break even at $950.00, you are loosing 100-150 bucks at that figure.).....
But that is market value for a yearling Heifer, not a Yearling Bred Heifer. Bred Heifers sold this fall for 1250-1350 apeace. Some componsation is nice, dont get me wrong, but I prefer to keep the cattle in 1 peace and not have to worry about it.

Also, there is NO componsation for pounds lost. To sell your product by the pound, they need to be in a enviorment where they can graze. 1000 steers will scatter out nicely, and gain good in alot of conditions. Want to see your gain drop in the dirt. Throw a wolf in the mix, where the steers stand in the fence corner, bunched up instead of out eating. No grazing, no pounds.

 

[RMK7SledHead]

Human's kill for sport.....

some humans...not all.

 

[CatWoman]

2nd email from Defenders of Wildlife on this:

****,

It’s been a long week.

At noon Eastern Time yesterday, the Bush/Cheney Administration as feared launched the latest salvo in its war against wolves, eliminating Endangered Species Act protections for hundreds of wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies.

We can save these wolves. Please make a tax-deductible contribution to help support Defenders of Wildlife’s Campaign to Save America’s Wolves.

Your donation will provide vital funding to help support our legal advocacy to stop the de-listing. It will also support the efforts of our on-the-ground staff in Idaho, Montana and across the country who are working tirelessly to save wolves and other wildlife every day by…

Hiring range riders and paying for non lethal wolf control to reduce conflicts between wolves and ranchers;
Motivating supporters to submit nearly half of the roughly 280,000 comments opposing the de-listing decision during the official public comment period;[1]
Mobilizing conservationists to attend local meetings and public hearings and speak out for common-sense wolf management;
And, much, much more.
In fact, by the time federal officials announced the de-listing, thousands of caring Defenders supporters and activists were already hard at work.

By our estimates, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service received 5,000-20,000 phone calls from supporters who were outraged by the decision to allow states to kill as many as 70% [2] of the wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies.

This is a typical report we received on Wednesday’s massive call-in campaign:

"After a long wait on hold I spoke to a young woman who said, in answer to my question, that the switchboard at FWS was awash with calls regarding the proposed delisting of wolves. I said I was glad to hear that and left my message opposing delisting."

I wish federal officials could hear from each and every one of the thousands and thousands who tried to call and tell them how much they care about these wolves. But I want you to know that we are committed to making sure that your voices are heard on this important issue. And, together, we will win this fight.

Help us continue our work to save wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies. Please donate now.

With Great Gratitude,

Rodger Schlickeisen
Defenders of Wildlife

P.S. We have a long fight ahead of us. If you haven’t already made a donation, please make a secure contribution online now, or call 1-800-385-9712 to make a contribution over the phone.

Notes

[1] E-Rulemaking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University

[2] State wolf plans have been modified to require that minimum populations of 150 wolves be maintained, not 100 as had been the case before.


There’s Still Time to Help
Greater Yellowstone’s Wolves

If you haven’t already, please donate now to help save hundreds of wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies!

Your contribution will help us pay for…

Our ongoing legal efforts to stop the de-listing of the estimated 1,500 wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies;
Our opposition to state wolf plans that leave the door open to ill-conceived hunting, trapping and poisoning of wolves;
Our on-the ground outreach and education to debunk myths and combat misinformation about wolves;
And much more.

 

[CatWoman]

And the THIRD one....what's not showing up with my copy/paste is all of the donate buttons/links in each email.

“What is clear is that if the gray wolf is to be truly recovered and delisted in the lower-48 States, a nationwide recovery plan is the first and best step towards that goal.”

-- Petition to the USFWS for a National Wolf Recovery Plan, 2/20/08

Dear ****,

With the support of caring people like you, today we launched our latest legal efforts to save wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies, notifying the Secretary of the Interior that we intend to sue to reverse last week's elimination of vital federal protections for these amazing animals.

But with the future of wolf recovery and the lives of hundreds of wolves at stake, Defenders of Wildlife is leaving no stone unturned to ensure a lasting future for wolves in America.

You can help. Please send a message to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service right now and urge federal officials to adopt a national wolf recovery strategy.

By removing wolves in Idaho, Wyoming and Montana from the list of federally protected endangered species last week, the Bush/Cheney Administration has officially green-lighted state plans to kill as many as 70% of the wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies.

The announcement opened the door to the killing of more than a 1,000 wolves by aerial gunning, trapping, poisoning and other lethal methods. It could also close the door on wolf restoration in Oregon, Washington, Colorado and other parts of the gray wolf’s historic range.

Help ensure a lasting future for America’s wolves. Send your message to the Fish and Wildlife Service now.

Last week, Defenders and our allies at the Natural Resources Defense Council filed a formal petition with the Fish and Wildlife Service calling for a national wolf recovery plan.

Such a plan would protect not only wolves in the Northern Rockies, but also provide a needed boost for wolf recovery and management efforts in the Southwest, Northeast and Pacific Northwest.

Will you lend your voice to the fight? Help us send 75,000 messages in support of this forward-looking effort to protect the gray wolf’s important place in America by next Wednesday.

Please take action now by sending your message in support of a national wolf recovery plan.

Thirty five years ago, wolves in the U.S. were listed as protected under the Endangered Species Act. Every day since, Defenders of Wildlife has fought to save America’s wolves.

I hope you’ll help by taking action today.

Sincerely,

Rodger Schlickeisen
President
Defenders of Wildlife

P.S. Defenders supporters across the country have rallied to save wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies.

Since last week, we’ve been overwhelmed by offers to help. As many as 20,000 Defenders supporters have voiced their outrage over delisting in calls and emails to federal officials. More than 4,600 caring people have contributed to support our ongoing work to save wolves in the courts, in the media and on the ground.

A Recovery Plan for America’s Wolves

With state officials planning to kill 70% of the wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies and southwest wolf recovery efforts continuing to falter, it’s time for a national wolf recovery plan.

Urge U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dale Hall to adopt a national wolf recovery plan.

Campaign Update

As many 20,000 called or emailed federal to voice their outrage.
Dozens of media stories highlighted Defenders’ reasons for opposing delisting.
More than 4,600 donated to help support our court fight to stop delisting and other work to save wildlife.
Learn more about ongoing wolf protection efforts and our 35-year history of protecting Greater Yellowstone’s wolves...

 

[SAWYER]

I will help there fight. I will try to kill as many as i can, so the numbers will stay down and they can still be protected.

I bet these dumbasses wouldn't want them if they were in thier backyard like mine

 

[Raff_9001M]

One thing to remember about NEPA documents and ESA is that it is not a popularity vote. They can have thousands of people call the FWS but in order to influence decisions, one must provide scientific evidence to the contrary or adequately show that the government did not follow policy in its proposed action.

Of course, it may not always seem this way.

 

[mtn_extreme]

Dbook,

"If I lived in thier habitat then yes I would expect to see one. Much like I see deer, elk, bears and Mountain lions. "


My guess is that when the wolves make it to your neck of the woods (and their working their way that way) and you stop seeing the mt lions, bear, elk, and deer anymore, you will change you way of thinking. It is easy to criticize the opinions people have on a situation that is affecting them and their livelyhood when it doesn't affect you at all. Maybe someday you will actually get a chance to see the devistation in real life and get a check on reality!