Why are we bankrupt?

[MPS]

I wonder how much profit was made by companies hiring illegal immigrants rather then paying for legal US labor...

Exactly they don't pay sh*t in taxes....but rape the welfare system for far more than whatever profit you mention!

Maybe this thread should also address....why is this country heading for moral bankruptcy!?

 

[Diesel99]

Why is the US bankrupt?

You spend more than you earn, and deficits don't matter. The goverment is reckless with your tax dollars because they don't get it. Time for another revolution.

 

[catmandoo]

Do other countries have illegal aliens? Are we that stupid? We, unfortunately can't do much about things that are just done. That is what's stupid. I'm ehausted of a lot of things about how it's done here.

Yes here in Canada we have lots in the east, they are called french.....

 

[Nelson]

Why is the US bankrupt?

You spend more than you earn, and deficits don't matter. The goverment is reckless with your tax dollars because they don't get it. Time for another revolution.

I hear ya....Already stocked up on the ammo.

 

[Ollie]

Why is the US bankrupt?

You spend more than you earn, and deficits don't matter. The goverment is reckless with your tax dollars because they don't get it. Time for another revolution.

Unfortunetly, I am beginning to think a true revolution is the only answer.
Politicians are to afraid of not getting re-elected to do what needs to be done.

We have got to get the illigal immigration thing under control.
We have got to change the immigration focus away from family and back to what it was intended for, immigration of people that would make this country better.
We have got to force individuals to get jobs and take responcibility for themselves and stop the welfare train.
We have got to stop the schools from preaching and get them back to teaching. Private schools and school vouchers would do this nicely.
We have to back the socialist train up and kill the freebees. 45% of americans don't pay anything in, but demand every possible hand out.

 

[JSCC]

Exactly they don't pay sh*t in taxes....but rape the welfare system for far more than whatever profit you mention!

Maybe this thread should also address....why is this country heading for moral bankruptcy!?

Most illegals working pay the same taxes you and I do.

I like the old adage, "get in line". When anyone of you can find me the line, I will send a few to it. The truth is, there is only a line for educated professionals. There is no chance in he!! for any average illegal to gain legal status here. Change that, and you will stop "illegal" immigration.

Most, not all, illegals here that I have met, will work you and I into the ground. Not because they have to, but because that is the way they were raised. All they want in life is to be an American. But America only wants them if they have an education.
I have met some piles though too. So they are in every group, and typically ruin everything for the rest of them.

 

[SaberKitty]

Yes here in Canada we have lots in the east, they are called french.....

LOL

 

[capen4]

welfare is a system. But who payes for it. Everyone that works everyday. next time you see someone in the grocery store around the 1st and the 15th of the month just tell them your welcome and they will look at you like your nuts and if they ask why have the balls to tell them why and see what they say. you know the people I'm talking about.
There are way to many people out there that live off the systems because WE elect people like Obama that actually think these people are owed something when they are just lazy and have taken the easy why out.
I have been layed off about 4 times in my short 35 years and have never had to go to welfare (thank the Lord for that). I have always been able to find work of some type.
I have been a large person all my life I broke 200LBS in 6th grade, when I went in the Navy i had to be taped to get in. Now I weigh 340 and am 6'1" and I love sledding hiking and other outside activities. at least 50% of americans are over wieght and people if you didn't notice thats where alot of welfare money goes. because people won't get off there butts and they have to watch TV eveynight and then 10 years later they are 200 lbs over and can't fend for themselfs and think its a infection of some type that made them big.
Yes there good people out there that need help and thats what the systems are for but when the systems have been aboused like they are being now thats the big problem

Sorry i'll get off my soap box now just some thoughs i have about this subject.

 

[MPS]

Most illegals working pay the same taxes you and I do.

I like the old adage, "get in line". When anyone of you can find me the line, I will send a few to it. The truth is, there is only a line for educated professionals. There is no chance in he!! for any average illegal to gain legal status here. Change that, and you will stop "illegal" immigration.

Most, not all, illegals here that I have met, will work you and I into the ground. Not because they have to, but because that is the way they were raised. All they want in life is to be an American. But America only wants them if they have an education.
I have met some piles though too. So they are in every group, and typically ruin everything for the rest of them.

Very false statement....I have seen thousands of illegal's paystubs. They pay into FICA and that is it. I have never seen an illegals paystub that showed they paid any sort of income tax. They list on their W-2's that they are exempt or list dozens of exemptions so income tax isn't taken out.

I agree with you many illegals have come here for the right reason, but you are wrong about them gaining legal status. They can get a green card, work VISA, permanant status, and then citizenship. They just have to jump the hoops. No it isn't easy and it shouldn't be! Many of them have an outstanding work ethic and I have friends that came here as illegals. America should be a chance for opportunity for foreigners wanting a better life, but times have changed. We need to protect ourselves also.

 

[Ollie]

I like the old adage, "get in line". When anyone of you can find me the line, I will send a few to it. The truth is, there is only a line for educated professionals. There is no chance in he!! for any average illegal to gain legal status here. Change that, and you will stop "illegal" immigration.

No you won't.
When they can come here, work for half what you and I get paid and still make 5 times what they do in mexico you aren't going to stop them by saying please.
You sure as heck arn't going to stop them by granting amnesty to those that already broke the laws and until we get politicians with a backbone and a willingness to make the hard decisions, nothing will change.

Go back to 1986.
Look at all the politicians and listen to what they are saying about amnesty.
Look at allt he politicians and listen to what they are saying about amnesty NOW.

IT"S THE SAME THING!.
Same BS, same promises.
They will grant amnesty and the next invasion will start.
I am dead serious when i say if they grant amnesty under the current rules, it will mean civil war. It has too, or we will be a 3rd world country in 30 years.

 

[JSCC]

Very false statement....I have seen thousands of illegal's paystubs. They pay into FICA and that is it. I have never seen an illegals paystub that showed they paid any sort of income tax. They list on their W-2's that they are exempt or list dozens of exemptions so income tax isn't taken out.

I agree with you many illegals have come here for the right reason, but you are wrong about them gaining legal status. They can get a green card, work VISA, permanant status, and then citizenship. They just have to jump the hoops. No it isn't easy and it shouldn't be! Many of them have an outstanding work ethic and I have friends that came here as illegals. America should be a chance for opportunity for foreigners wanting a better life, but times have changed. We need to protect ourselves also.

Nope, actually you are wrong, on all fronts. I have seen paystubs. You CANNOT pay an illegal alien period. So those who do, pay them through someone elses SS#. It may not be there own, but it still goes into the same system as yours and mine. The difference is they cannot claim anything at the end of the year, so in reality, uncle sam makes more from them.

As for getting status, again you are wrong. If you are an illegal alien, you cannot be hired period. Now if you are an employer, and cannot fill your need for employees, you can request temporary workers cards, if there are any left for that year. If that happens, you can get an alien from another country to work for you UNTIL a legal resident wants the job, wherein you must hire him!
If an illegal is already here, they tell you they must return to there country, fill out all the proper paperwork, and wait in line. The neat thing about that is, if another alien has higher status, they automatically jump ahead in line. "They have something better to offer the US".

 

[JSCC]

No you won't.
When they can come here, work for half what you and I get paid and still make 5 times what they do in mexico you aren't going to stop them by saying please.
You sure as heck arn't going to stop them by granting amnesty to those that already broke the laws and until we get politicians with a backbone and a willingness to make the hard decisions, nothing will change.

Go back to 1986.
Look at all the politicians and listen to what they are saying about amnesty.
Look at allt he politicians and listen to what they are saying about amnesty NOW.

IT"S THE SAME THING!.
Same BS, same promises.
They will grant amnesty and the next invasion will start.
I am dead serious when i say if they grant amnesty under the current rules, it will mean civil war. It has too, or we will be a 3rd world country in 30 years.

You must not know many illegals. I understand as I felt this exact way until I met a few. There not so different as you and I. Were all our ancestors that come across felons? They were given a chance. Most of them just wanted to start a new life. Most illegals here now want the same thing.

Now I am for deporting all the criminals, worthless piles that are here. Hell there some citizens that I would through in there too. lol!
If you can find it, look at McCains plan for Illegals. Get rid of all the piles. Offer each and everyone else a chance, if they fail, deport there azzes! But give the ones that are good people a chance. Now this is for the ones here, that doesnt mean I believe to open up our borders. Lock them b!tches down. But there is no chance in he11 that they will ever deport all the illegals, ever. So what would you suggest?

 

[AmericanOutlaw]

Until Americans quit hiring illegals they will continue to come in.As for welfare,fine sometimes people find themselves in situations where they need help and that's okay.At some point though it's got to get better so put a time limit on it say 6 months.You should be able to get it together in that much time.If you don't want to then starve.

 

[Ollie]

You must not know many illegals.

I don't know many other criminals either.
Doesn't mean I want to forgive their crimes.

Let me make something perfectly clear. I don't want there to be any misunderstanding. So listen carefully.

I don't care how wonderful they are.
I don't care how much they want to be here.
I don't care how great they work.
I don't care if they are better people than half the americans.

I care about the law.
They broke the law.
They invaded our country, chit on our laws, they demand we change our country to better suit them and the country they are claiming they want to escape and then have the nerve to DEMAND we let them get away with it.
Bite me.
Not gonna happen without a fight.

Now, that being said.
I would be open to allowing the law abiding criminals (there's an oxymoron for ya) to stay under certain conditions.

1. The total number of illigals given amnesty count against the normal inflow of legal immigrants. That is to say, if we allow 14 million immigrants into the US each year and they grant amnesty to 14 million illigal immigrants, then you freeze all immigration for any reason for that year. If they grant amnesty to 28 million, then freeze it for 2 years.

2. They (the ones granted amnesty) are barred from EVER bringing anyone into this country for any reason with the exception of husband/wife and kids (proven by DNA test paid for by the parents). The kids will also be barred from sponcering anyone to come to this country for life.

3. Any illigal given amnesty must prove they were here for at least 5 years and show a work history. Pay any and all back taxes AS WELL AS FINES.

4. There is a 5 year probation period. If they commit any crimes other than misterminer (sp?) such as speeding and stuff, then their amnesty is forfeit and they are deported.

5. They are NOT elligibal for medicaid, medicare, SS or the rest until they have paid in the necessary quarters JUST LIKE US. As it is, they are eligible the instant they illigaly set foot in our country.

6. The politicians have put forward that they should pay a fine. That is BS. It will never happen. The bleeding heart liberals will scream it is to much of a burden and drop it, JUST LIKE LAST TIME. So instead, anyone over the age of 18 that is granted amnesty will do community service to the tune of 300 hours a year for every year they can were here illigally.

That is called actually having repercussions for your actions. The current system is set up to reward anyone given amnesty and I will fight it with any and every means to stop it.

You may now call me every name in the book and red rep me. I don't care. You don't come into america and the first thing you do is break our laws then demand we give you the most precious thing our country has to offer.
Citizenship.

You go back and watch the coverage of the day without immigrants marches. You see how many american flags were flying vs how many mexican flags were flying. Then you go to LaRanza's home and read up. Educate yourself. Their STATED goal is to get enough mexicans into this country to take over the politcal system. Think I am kidding. Go read it yourself. This amnesty under the current rules is a HUGE step in that direction.

 

[MPS]

Nope, actually you are wrong, on all fronts. I have seen paystubs. You CANNOT pay an illegal alien period. So those who do, pay them through someone elses SS#. It may not be there own, but it still goes into the same system as yours and mine. The difference is they cannot claim anything at the end of the year, so in reality, uncle sam makes more from them.

As for getting status, again you are wrong. If you are an illegal alien, you cannot be hired period. Now if you are an employer, and cannot fill your need for employees, you can request temporary workers cards, if there are any left for that year. If that happens, you can get an alien from another country to work for you UNTIL a legal resident wants the job, wherein you must hire him!
If an illegal is already here, they tell you they must return to there country, fill out all the proper paperwork, and wait in line. The neat thing about that is, if another alien has higher status, they automatically jump ahead in line. "They have something better to offer the US".

No they do not pay income tax period.....yes they pay other taxes like FICA, as mentioned. Yes, all of them use false SSN's. Of course they do.

 

[Ollie]

No they do not pay income tax period.....yes they pay other taxes like FICA, as mentioned. Yes, all of them use false SSN's. Of course they do.

BS. They don't all use false SSN's. About 30% of them are stolen SSN's.
About half of the illigals arrested at the meat packing plant in Greeley had purchased stolen SSN's. The poor people who had their Identities stolen are STILL trying to get it straightend out.

 

[MPS]

BS?...chill...when I say false that includes stolen ones...yes! Ok I am a state investigator and I worked Border Patrol 10 years ago. THEY do not pay income tax! WHATSOEVER! Yes, they steal SSN's. They buy fake ID's by the bulk. I guarantee if I ran your SSN in the national insurance claim database it would show that it has been used by an illegal. I ran mine a bit ago and some illegal has used it in FL for a worker's comp claim....of course that means they used it illegally to work.

 

[Nelson]

Until Americans quit hiring illegals they will continue to come in.As for welfare,fine sometimes people find themselves in situations where they need help and that's okay.At some point though it's got to get better so put a time limit on it say 6 months.You should be able to get it together in that much time.If you don't want to then starve.

Its called UNEMPLOYMENT.......The problem is they find it easier to claim welfare, they get a paycheck twice a month and get a house from the government its just plain BS, people that lose their jobs and are on unemployment don't get free homes or free food they still have to pay with actual money, yes they get a check twice a month but they have to register at the job service and have to look for jobs HAVE TO. Welfare doesn't have to do any of these. So why is welfare different? what makes them eligable to recieve all handouts when 90% of the time there is nothing physically wrong with them? I guess being lazy must count as a MENTAL disability then since its all in their heads anyways. The point being there needs to be stipulations attached to it. Six months would be fine but its just called unemployment then, I agree that the time on welfare needs to be reduced drastically, they shouldn't be able to be on it for their whole life.

 

[Ollie]

what makes them eligable to recieve all handouts when 90% of the time there is nothing physically wrong with them?

Because they vote democrat.
If your freebies come from one group and not the other, who ya gonna vote for?
42% of americans don't pay taxes. That is 42% that the dems can count on for votes. That is why they get freebies.

 

[JSCC]

I don't know many other criminals either.
Doesn't mean I want to forgive their crimes.

Let me make something perfectly clear. I don't want there to be any misunderstanding. So listen carefully.

I don't care how wonderful they are.
I don't care how much they want to be here.
I don't care how great they work.
I don't care if they are better people than half the americans.

I care about the law.
They broke the law.
They invaded our country, chit on our laws, they demand we change our country to better suit them and the country they are claiming they want to escape and then have the nerve to DEMAND we let them get away with it.
Bite me.
Not gonna happen without a fight.

Now, that being said.
I would be open to allowing the law abiding criminals (there's an oxymoron for ya) to stay under certain conditions.

1. The total number of illigals given amnesty count against the normal inflow of legal immigrants. That is to say, if we allow 14 million immigrants into the US each year and they grant amnesty to 14 million illigal immigrants, then you freeze all immigration for any reason for that year. If they grant amnesty to 28 million, then freeze it for 2 years.

2. They (the ones granted amnesty) are barred from EVER bringing anyone into this country for any reason with the exception of husband/wife and kids (proven by DNA test paid for by the parents). The kids will also be barred from sponcering anyone to come to this country for life.

3. Any illigal given amnesty must prove they were here for at least 5 years and show a work history. Pay any and all back taxes AS WELL AS FINES.

4. There is a 5 year probation period. If they commit any crimes other than misterminer (sp?) such as speeding and stuff, then their amnesty is forfeit and they are deported.

5. They are NOT elligibal for medicaid, medicare, SS or the rest until they have paid in the necessary quarters JUST LIKE US. As it is, they are eligible the instant they illigaly set foot in our country.

6. The politicians have put forward that they should pay a fine. That is BS. It will never happen. The bleeding heart liberals will scream it is to much of a burden and drop it, JUST LIKE LAST TIME. So instead, anyone over the age of 18 that is granted amnesty will do community service to the tune of 300 hours a year for every year they can were here illigally.

That is called actually having repercussions for your actions. The current system is set up to reward anyone given amnesty and I will fight it with any and every means to stop it.

You may now call me every name in the book and red rep me. I don't care. You don't come into america and the first thing you do is break our laws then demand we give you the most precious thing our country has to offer.
Citizenship.

You go back and watch the coverage of the day without immigrants marches. You see how many american flags were flying vs how many mexican flags were flying. Then you go to LaRanza's home and read up. Educate yourself. Their STATED goal is to get enough mexicans into this country to take over the politcal system. Think I am kidding. Go read it yourself. This amnesty under the current rules is a HUGE step in that direction.

I agree with a lot of this. Your so called SPONSOR is not what you think. If you think you can sponsor someone and bring them here, you are wrong. Just because one comes here, does not mean they can sponsor another and the cycle continues. You need to dig deeper into the facts.
As for the "March", or anytime I go to dunes in So Cal, and see a Mexican flag flying, it flat gets my blood boiling. The difference here is, I don't think you are scum of the earth because there is some white trash down the street shooting people and waiving a Nazi flag. They are scum, and they are in every group. It surely don't mean we are all like that...

And by the way, I could care less about REP. If you can keep up a decent debate, I am all for it. He!! I would even give you some Green if you would like.....