which spindles?

[rmk2112]

..........As for the toe in issue on this sled, I haven't run into this. I think something else is going on. Either there is some mix up with parts, have radius rods been replaced at one time or was the bulkhead repair for the steering post bracket done correctly? Is it possible this repair changed the steering geometry or the drag link is out of adjustment?

Maybe reinstalling the original spindles to verify other possibilities aren't causing issues is in order here???

I thought of this as well.

The repair moved the steering post bracket forward 1/8". The bracket itself it mounted in the exact same position on the rear bulkhead as it was before.

I agree that it would change the geometry slightly, and I knew there was going to be adjustments. It just didn't seem the the 1/8" move forward would make such a radical change.

The sled had standard RMK arms on it, I just installed the 2010 Dragon arms. Then the spindles

Correct and that's what I was saying. I've seen 05 an 06 mix-ups with radius rods in the past. Is 2112 the original owner?

And no, I am not original owner. The main reason the tie rods were adjusted so much inward was to correct steering from bent a arms last season.

Before the a arm damage, They were adjusted about 1/2 into the tie rod bolts and steering was fine.

MH:

The 05 deep snow manual shows 2.46" for camber.

I was able to get it to about 3.5" before I ran out of threads.

 

[mountainhorse]

2112 ... Can you take some measurements and compare them to these??

 

[mountainhorse]

MH:

The 05 deep snow manual shows 2.46" for camber.

I was able to get it to about 3.5" before I ran out of threads.

Might be a silly question... But was that to the top of the ski-bolt-bushing boss or to the bottom of the spindle?

Also, the 05 spindle is not even close to the same design... The 2006 + is the measurement you want to go off of.

 

[rmk2112]

2112 ... Can you take some measurements and compare them to these??

IQR Spindle:

3 15/32" for top picture

3 13/16' for bottom picture

BIG difference in measurements!!

My 06 spindle is:

3 7/16" for top picture

3 15/16" for bottom picture

Might be a silly question... But was that to the top of the ski-bolt-bushing boss or to the bottom of the spindle?
Also, the 05 spindle is not even close to the same design... The 2006 + is the measurement you want to go off of.

So that puts me even more out of whack. The 05 deep snow manual is All I have to go off of, I thought it was the same for 05 & 06 sleds.
Top of ski bolt bushing

 

[mountainhorse]

2112.... for the alignment bar... what are you using and does if fit snugly into the bushings with no play and not bend or "droop" over the distance of approx 4 feet?

 

[rmk2112]

2112.... for the alignment bar... what are you using and does if fit snugly into the bushings with no play and not bend or "droop" over the distance of approx 4 feet?

I used a 45" piece of 1/2" copper. It is 5/8" OD and fits snugly with no play into the ski bolt bushing.

I could get it all the way thru the bushing, but no farther. It did not stick out the other side a few inches like the pic you showed.

But it was snug with no droop.

 

[mountainhorse]

It is also possible that the intrinsic camber of the spindle.

ie.... the angle that the ball-joint-bore-line and the angle that it makes with the ski-bolt-bore-line may be different on the IQR and the RMK. Which could account for your problems.

Any way you slice it.. IMO... you would be better off going with the Dragon spindles since the HOLZ-RMK and the 09/10 IQR spindles are dimensionally different.

What is the camber of the stock spindle on the 2010 A-Arms in your sled?

 

[rmk2112]

It is also possible that the intrinsic camber of the spindle.

ie.... the angle that the ball-joint-bore-line and the angle that it makes with the ski-bolt-bore-line may be different on the IQR and the RMK. Which could account for your problems.

Any way you slice it.. IMO... you would be better off going with the Dragon spindles since the HOLZ-RMK and the 09/10 IQR spindles are dimensionally different.

What is the camber of the stock spindle on the 2010 A-Arms in your sled?

I have already ordered the 2010 Dragon spindles (this morning). I need to find the measurement for the correct camber for the 2010.

I'm looking for the service manual online now. I hope someone will chine in on this if they know, or possibly post in the IQ section for it.

 

[mountainhorse]

so that we are on the same page... my top photo measurement was with the aluminum ski bolt bushing in place... Is your measurement with the bushing installed?

 

[rmk2112]

so that we are on the same page... my top photo measurement was with the aluminum ski bolt bushing in place... Is your measurement with the bushing installed?

No, I did not measure with the bushing in.

I just measured....add 1/8" to that measurement. So, that would be 3 9/16"

 

[whetsel.m]

I have the same problem with the holtz spindles on my 05 fusion( can't get my 1 ski level). Did you ever get yours fixed?

 

[Mech Engr]

spindles

I just found a set of 09 Dragon Spindles for my 05 RMK 900. The guy wants $80 for the set. They are in great shape and had about 400 miles on them. Sounds like a pretty good deal for these. Just hope he doesn't sell them before I pick'um up tomorrow.

John

 

[Mech Engr]

From your photos ... the IQR Spindles are diff from the HRP.

The tie rod end mounting boss sits considerably higher than the Stock or HRP.

You will need to space that tie rod end considerably down from where it is... How much, I cant say.

When it is moved down into the correct position... the toe in will come back to where it is supposed to be and NOT change during range of motion of the front suspension

You may not have enough thread on the tie rod end to take up the distance of the spacers you need to use... Have a look at the steer arm on your spindle compared to the HRP .. you will notice that it takes a Bump up from the top of the spindle on the IQR and is flat on the HRP.

HRP confirmed that they no longer have any spindles to sell and will not be making any more.

For those that want to improve their steering on the 2008 and previous model years...HRP's suggestion is to run the 2009/10 Dragon spindles as the geometry is almost identical.. and the IQR was not.

This may sound like a silly question but which Dragon spindles? There is more than one Dragon listed in the year 2009 and 2010 and many of the spindles are different part numbers.

John

 

[Z-Man]

This may sound like a silly question but which Dragon spindles? There is more than one Dragon listed in the year 2009 and 2010 and many of the spindles are different part numbers.

John

15 1823487 ASM-SPINDLE,RMK,LH,LWT | [Incl. 13]
15 1823488 ASM-SPINDLE,RMK,RH,LWT | [Incl. 13]

 

[Mech Engr]

spindles

15 1823487 ASM-SPINDLE,RMK,LH,LWT | [Incl. 13]
15 1823488 ASM-SPINDLE,RMK,RH,LWT | [Incl. 13]

Here they are...with the bolts and bushings. $80 for the pair!! They came from a 2009 RMK 800 Dragon with about 400 miles on it.

John

 

[Z-Man]

nice