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Whats up with all the people skiing on the trails.

"Groups" yes, but does that translate to every individual you run across? You think every single skier or hiker you meet on a trail is part of one of these groups? I bet the majority of them would have no idea what you're talking about. Just like the majority of sledders won't even join their local club....same on that side.

Is that what I said or were you trying to sensationalize it for effect? Having been very active in land use issues around here I actually do know that a good portion of those skiing certain areas are definitely part of those groups. I see them often enough that I know their vehicles, clothing faces and sometimes names. Did I say I "target" any of them? I think I am rightfully upset with the position they take, and the known characters usually start with attitude when you run across them. Clearly it happens, some places a lot, others maybe once that I recall.

If people do not know what the issues are and a conversation ensues, I try education. You are right, most people are reasonable when approached that way. This helps the fence sitters sway our way or at least give us consideration.

The snowmobile club. Bad experience there for me. Formed one, worked hard, was sold down the river by csa more than once. You would have a hard time convincing me that is a productive entity when it comes to land use and sled regulations. Even most club members are more interested in beer than land.

So apathy on both sides but we keep losing? The players are easy to identify, obviously it isn't everybody you encounter in the back country, nobody ever said it was.
 
We've came across many skiers on the trails and in the back country, we will slow down and try to go as wide as possible around them to try and be respectful and so far we've never had a problem. We've even had a few of them come up to us while we were taking a break and shoot the breeze without any fisticuffs, heck alot of them even joke around about how much smarter it seems to ride a sled vs. all the effort it takes skiing. That doesn't mean they're isn't a few bad apples out there, there's douchebags in every group, we just haven't ran into any yet. The only real problem we've had with skiers and whatnots is when it comes to the parking lot. as all of you know there is a certain amount of space required to get sleds on and off trailers and also to get rigs in and out of parking spots and i don't know if they just lack common sense or just plain don't give a crap, but they will shove there cars into any nook and cranny they can find no matter how bad they're blocking someone in. Like yesterday i got back to the lot and there was a van parked about a foot behind my trailer and there was plenty of space elsewhere to park. We try to park as to take up as little space as possible but it dont matter, We've still had times where we've had to wait for people to show up to move vehicles so that we could get out.
 
We've came across many skiers on the trails and in the back country, we will slow down and try to go as wide as possible around them to try and be respectful and so far we've never had a problem. We've even had a few of them come up to us while we were taking a break and shoot the breeze without any fisticuffs, heck alot of them even joke around about how much smarter it seems to ride a sled vs. all the effort it takes skiing. That doesn't mean they're isn't a few bad apples out there, there's douchebags in every group, we just haven't ran into any yet. The only real problem we've had with skiers and whatnots is when it comes to the parking lot. as all of you know there is a certain amount of space required to get sleds on and off trailers and also to get rigs in and out of parking spots and i don't know if they just lack common sense or just plain don't give a crap, but they will shove there cars into any nook and cranny they can find no matter how bad they're blocking someone in. Like yesterday i got back to the lot and there was a van parked about a foot behind my trailer and there was plenty of space elsewhere to park. We try to park as to take up as little space as possible but it dont matter, We've still had times where we've had to wait for people to show up to move vehicles so that we could get out.

Last season I got to the lot early like 5am with my truck and trailer. My buddy had his trailer too he parked really close behind me so no fools would block me in. was on the parallel side. Well SOME CLOWN backed in between my trailer and his front bumper like perpendicular T style. I got back and had to leave.. I was just going to ram his rig with my trailer my trailers not that special. Sheriff and forest circus just left a warning on their window!

Also have pulled in and had a Subaru pull up right behind my trailer. I couldn't even get the ramp down let alone unload. They look at me like wtf. And they had tons of normal car spaces to park in on the other side.
 
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