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snowmobiler
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skier.we slowed down and waved.
Whats up with all the people skiing on the trails.
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wweverett
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Braaaaappppppp....there is a cross country track 1/2 mile from the snowmobile truck turn around..the local snowmobile club grooms it for them.
When they are on the sled tracks they can hear us coming from a long ways off and will never get out of the way.
If its a share the road deal then I want to share their cross country ski area as well.
When they are on the sled tracks they can hear us coming from a long ways off and will never get out of the way.
If its a share the road deal then I want to share their cross country ski area as well.
Don't knock taking a dump in the middle of the trail, you never know when it is going to hit you on a 5 foot powder day. You ever tried to take a dump in 5 foot of powder? Just sayin!!! HA
Yea One could only image what would happen if snowmobilers actually showed up at all to those meetings instead of sitting on the couch using a keyboard to complainImagine showing up to one of those public forums on riding areas.
F that.....
If you are using a road or trail, you should be contributing to the maintenance of said trail, monetarily or otherwise. I soundly reject the notion of sharing with those who want it to be all theirs for free (see opening comment).
Let the skiers fund their own trail network, which they do in many places and let the cyclists fund bike paths to keep them off the highways.
Sharing and Compromise...
Feel good words that are used as tools of manipulation these days. They work really good on everyone except the group footing the bill but loosing their rights.
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Deep Powder Guy
Banned
The secret to keeping the backcountry open to the PUBLIC is getting along with everyone who uses it...Some of you guys that are squawking must ride in a very very small area to be so bothered by skiers.
The majority of snowmobilers have the privilege of riding millions of acres of backcountry and a skier here and a skier there is no big deal IMO.
DPG
The majority of snowmobilers have the privilege of riding millions of acres of backcountry and a skier here and a skier there is no big deal IMO.
DPG
I've only seen skiers a few times. never more than 6-8 miles from the parking lot. got some dirty looks. have given one a ride. I use a drift ghost in tagging mode. if there is any miss behavior, it will be all over youtube and the forums. maybe even involve law enforcement.
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Jaynelson
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Totally agree. Get over yourselves....get along with people....world keeps spinning.
It is entirely possible that some of the people you are encountering also own/ride sleds....
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RMOD800
Member
Skiers have the same right to access the forest as snowmobilers, 4 wheelers, horses, hikers, etc. Don't forget that the other users (non skiers) also have the same exact right. Should there be a user fee? if there is a fee for one sport, then all should pay a user fee.
I don't ski, but I do all the rest of the above. I have had numerous visits with the Forest Service about use plans and the impact that each discipline has on the forest. Is it right that snowmobiles have to pay a fee and no other sport does? in my opinion, h*ll no!
If you want to change the current policy, you need to discuss use fees and multi use with your local forest supervisor and continue the discussion. Once we stop the discussion, it becomes a loss for our sport. We will get more equality/fairness by engaging in dialogue and lobbying the appropriate authorities. You/we will not win equality or fair treatment by whining and being a jerk (even though it's appropriate at times).
This is not a game that will be won anytime soon. Remember the other side has patience and a great deal of funding on their side. We need to stand together united and open the dialogue with the appropriate agencies.
I don't ski, but I do all the rest of the above. I have had numerous visits with the Forest Service about use plans and the impact that each discipline has on the forest. Is it right that snowmobiles have to pay a fee and no other sport does? in my opinion, h*ll no!
If you want to change the current policy, you need to discuss use fees and multi use with your local forest supervisor and continue the discussion. Once we stop the discussion, it becomes a loss for our sport. We will get more equality/fairness by engaging in dialogue and lobbying the appropriate authorities. You/we will not win equality or fair treatment by whining and being a jerk (even though it's appropriate at times).
This is not a game that will be won anytime soon. Remember the other side has patience and a great deal of funding on their side. We need to stand together united and open the dialogue with the appropriate agencies.
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Deep Powder Guy
Banned
The current policy although not perfect are working fine. There's million upon millions of acres to ride in ALL western states including Canada. Sensitive national parks are permitting snowmobiling as well so for the moment "getting along" should be the objective for all form of use for today, tomorrow and into the near future.
I believe we should not allow non motorized users to pay trail fees on motorized trails. If they were paying what they thought was their "fair share" they would feel they were more entitled to have a voice on how that trail was managed possibly to the detriment to the motorized users the trail was originally designed and designated for. I see no problem with skiers, fat tire bikers, snowshoers ect. using snowmobile trails as long as they realize that it is designed for snowmobile use take the same precautions for their safety the same as bicyclers and pedestrians do using highways. It is funny slowly going around a skiier listening to music with headphones or earbuds and watching them jump out of their boots when you pull along side of them.
irony... encountered a lone female skier today. I stopped short of her. waited for the other 2 riders with me to catch up. 3 of us putted by her at 5 mph. got a dirty look for trying to be considerate.
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Might want to consider responding to this survey, and let them know politely that there are already millions of acres of Wilderness set aside as motorized-free:
(BTW this was emailed to me and NOT A GROUP I SUPPORT)
Over the past year or so Winter Wildlands Alliance has been talking a lot about the new Forest Service Over-Snow Vehicle Rule that will help bring balance to the backcountry. As you may recall, a draft of the rule was released for public review this past summer and you may have even been one of the thousands of people who weighed in with comments. While we're still waiting for the final rule, which we expect to see within the next couple of weeks, we're already looking ahead to what comes next.
Five forests in California - the Lassen, Tahoe, Eldorado, Stanislaus, and Plumas - are gearing up to be the first in the nation to implement the new Over-Snow Vehicle Rule. Each of these forests will begin developing a winter travel plan in the next couple of months, starting with the Lassen. When completed these plans will designate routes and areas on each forest for snowmobiles and other over-snow vehicles, as well as routes and areas that are managed for non-motorized use. Winter Wildlands Alliance is advocating for travel plans that zone the backcountry in a balanced way so that motorized and non-motorized users alike have places to play. We are working with our partners at Snowlands Network to craft a "Skiers Alternative" for each travel plan that would protect opportunities for human-powered winter recreation. We would appreciate input from backcountry enthusiasts such as yourself to help us better understand how people use these forests so that our Alternatives reflect the needs and desires of the local ski community.
It would be a big help to us if you could take a moment to fill out this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5H3R5GS. Please feel free to also share the survey link with your ski partners or others who use these forests.
Once the travel planning process gets started each forest will be hosting public meetings and asking for feedback on their proposed plans. We will be in touch with more information about how to get involved when the time comes. In the meantime, thanks in advance for your help!
(BTW this was emailed to me and NOT A GROUP I SUPPORT)
Over the past year or so Winter Wildlands Alliance has been talking a lot about the new Forest Service Over-Snow Vehicle Rule that will help bring balance to the backcountry. As you may recall, a draft of the rule was released for public review this past summer and you may have even been one of the thousands of people who weighed in with comments. While we're still waiting for the final rule, which we expect to see within the next couple of weeks, we're already looking ahead to what comes next.
Five forests in California - the Lassen, Tahoe, Eldorado, Stanislaus, and Plumas - are gearing up to be the first in the nation to implement the new Over-Snow Vehicle Rule. Each of these forests will begin developing a winter travel plan in the next couple of months, starting with the Lassen. When completed these plans will designate routes and areas on each forest for snowmobiles and other over-snow vehicles, as well as routes and areas that are managed for non-motorized use. Winter Wildlands Alliance is advocating for travel plans that zone the backcountry in a balanced way so that motorized and non-motorized users alike have places to play. We are working with our partners at Snowlands Network to craft a "Skiers Alternative" for each travel plan that would protect opportunities for human-powered winter recreation. We would appreciate input from backcountry enthusiasts such as yourself to help us better understand how people use these forests so that our Alternatives reflect the needs and desires of the local ski community.
It would be a big help to us if you could take a moment to fill out this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5H3R5GS. Please feel free to also share the survey link with your ski partners or others who use these forests.
Once the travel planning process gets started each forest will be hosting public meetings and asking for feedback on their proposed plans. We will be in touch with more information about how to get involved when the time comes. In the meantime, thanks in advance for your help!
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Deep Powder Guy
Banned
Might want to consider responding to this survey, and let them know politely that there are already millions of acres of Wilderness set aside as motorized-free:
(BTW this was emailed to me and NOT A GROUP I SUPPORT)
Over the past year or so Winter Wildlands Alliance has been talking a lot about the new Forest Service Over-Snow Vehicle Rule that will help bring balance to the backcountry. As you may recall, a draft of the rule was released for public review this past summer and you may have even been one of the thousands of people who weighed in with comments. While we're still waiting for the final rule, which we expect to see within the next couple of weeks, we're already looking ahead to what comes next.
Five forests in California - the Lassen, Tahoe, Eldorado, Stanislaus, and Plumas - are gearing up to be the first in the nation to implement the new Over-Snow Vehicle Rule. Each of these forests will begin developing a winter travel plan in the next couple of months, starting with the Lassen. When completed these plans will designate routes and areas on each forest for snowmobiles and other over-snow vehicles, as well as routes and areas that are managed for non-motorized use. Winter Wildlands Alliance is advocating for travel plans that zone the backcountry in a balanced way so that motorized and non-motorized users alike have places to play. We are working with our partners at Snowlands Network to craft a "Skiers Alternative" for each travel plan that would protect opportunities for human-powered winter recreation. We would appreciate input from backcountry enthusiasts such as yourself to help us better understand how people use these forests so that our Alternatives reflect the needs and desires of the local ski community.
It would be a big help to us if you could take a moment to fill out this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5H3R5GS. Please feel free to also share the survey link with your ski partners or others who use these forests.
Once the travel planning process gets started each forest will be hosting public meetings and asking for feedback on their proposed plans. We will be in touch with more information about how to get involved when the time comes. In the meantime, thanks in advance for your help!
Sorry but not interested in anymore special interest groups trying to figure out there version of what's the best backcountry travel plan model for all users....The bottom line is PUBLIC lands are exactly that PUBLIC. The millions upon millions of acres already accessible do not need any further scrutiny IMO buy the public, government regulators or special interest groups out of California which is also the home base of the Sierra Club enemy #1 to ALL form of motorized backcountry use....Careful what your asking for in California where off road vehicle users have been getting screwed and locked out for years.
Please keep your chit in California and far far away from other western states that have adopted travel plans that work.
FYI, California is not the first in the nation to adopt motorized winter use plan. God help us all if that was the case.
DPG
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I've seen all kinds up in the snowies. We always slow down and wave some wave back but it just pizzes most of them off.
A few years back we were headed back to the trailer and there was a guy with snowshoes pulling a sled loaded with lumber up the trail. We stopped and asked what he was up too. He was hauling lumber to a cabin he was building. We hooked the sled up and gave him a ride back up the trail to where he needed to go. Boy we made his day he even offered gas money which we declined.
A few years back we were headed back to the trailer and there was a guy with snowshoes pulling a sled loaded with lumber up the trail. We stopped and asked what he was up too. He was hauling lumber to a cabin he was building. We hooked the sled up and gave him a ride back up the trail to where he needed to go. Boy we made his day he even offered gas money which we declined.
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snowmobiler
Well-known member
funny watching skiers smoke out in their subi's in the snowpark.there cars are so full of of smoke its like a giant bong.
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Deep Powder Guy
Banned
DPG, I wish it was just a California thing! Unfortunately the case that the USFS is responding to was from a district court in Idaho.
Working to Protect Wyoming's Public Wild Lands. http://www.wildwyo.org/ http://wilderness.org/tags/wyoming
http://wildmontana.org/ .... etc etc etc.
" Please keep your chit in California and far far away from other western states that have adopted travel plans that work."...DPG
Where is this western state you speak of ??
Idle behavior and beliefs allow them the upper hand.
http://wildmontana.org/ .... etc etc etc.
" Please keep your chit in California and far far away from other western states that have adopted travel plans that work."...DPG
Where is this western state you speak of ??
Idle behavior and beliefs allow them the upper hand.
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