What's Happening To Big Bores?

[Beels]

are there a bunch of crack smokers here...i own a new m7 and a 1997 rmk mod and the 700 a/c does ride nicer on the bumps and tkaing the big air thats it...the poo eats the m7 for lunch all day long....in climbs,straight out drags,boondocking etc...the new sled is a big disapointment.....i bought the mod used and can part it out for more than i paid and it has been spot on reliable with the added cost of 110 and tinkering to change altitude is abit more work when changing riding areas,but the m7 eats oils like a pig at $40 a gal that makes a days riding cost the same and when i sell it i am going to lose cash big..not to mention the mod gets better fuel economy.....i rode with all new sleds this year xp's m1000's nitro's and i tried them all....imo i will take the old iron..the warranty is nice but if they dont break then what good is warranty(994 miles not a prob...mod has 6000 and running strong).....i will take a bb mod right now straight up trade for my m7.....so i am going to strongly disagree the new sleds are hit or miss on reliability....the 2 xp's in the group lots of problems,nitro good bottom end not enough on the top and heavy,m's sh!tty handling in anythnig but powder...so for cost to permformance used bb mod for 6 or under to 9+ for new stock...my money is going to another used mod .....x

I see where you're going with this, but let's compare apples to apples. Figure out how much was spent on your old mod, convert that to "today's dollars", spend that on your current stocker and tell me what will outperform what. I'm not saying you're wrong, because I do agree with alot of what you said. To make a fair comparasin, you have to make all things equal.

As for reliability, if it has tits, tires or burns gas, you're gonna have problems... Sooner or later.

 

[Skogen]

I watched some turbos this weekend. Point and shoot. Dont get me wrong, it was impressive, but how much skill did i take to point and shoot up the hill. I know not every mod/turbo rider is like this, but many are. I wondered Saturday, what kind of marks they would be making on a stock sled like the rest of us, if they actually had to RIDE the machine, instead of pay somebody to put a turbo on it.

I have seen some VERY good riders on stock, or lightly modified sleds put up some sick marks in bowls. They got there because of their skill to ride, not because they dropped 7k for a turbo.

I think compeitition is still there, just have to know where to look for it.

Also, quite a few of your poor quailty Bigbores in the past ruined it for many. Spend the entire day wrenching on it, instead of riding it.

 

[xsummitx]

I see where you're going with this, but let's compare apples to apples. Figure out how much was spent on your old mod, convert that to "today's dollars", spend that on your current stocker and tell me what will outperform what. I'm not saying you're wrong, because I do agree with alot of what you said. To make a fair comparasin, you have to make all things equal.

As for reliability, if it has tits, tires or burns gas, you're gonna have problems... Sooner or later.

no doubt,but i did not sink the cash to build the mod.....i bought it used.and i bought them both this season...so dollar for dollar spent this year the mod was the smart buy....and it would have been a bit more back in the day....but its today and sitting side by side on a dealers lot next time i am going for the well built used machine then the new stocker...i agree thought the money spent on the mod was prob. way more then vs. the m today.


as for the statement....
As for reliability, if it has tits, tires or burns gas, you're gonna have problems... Sooner or later.[/QUOTE] that is true true true

 

[xsummitx]

I watched some turbos this weekend. Point and shoot. Dont get me wrong, it was impressive, but how much skill did i take to point and shoot up the hill. I know not every mod/turbo rider is like this, but many are. I wondered Saturday, what kind of marks they would be making on a stock sled like the rest of us, if they actually had to RIDE the machine, instead of pay somebody to put a turbo on it.

I have seen some VERY good riders on stock, or lightly modified sleds put up some sick marks in bowls. They got there because of their skill to ride, not because they dropped 7k for a turbo.

I think compeitition is still there, just have to know where to look for it.

Also, quite a few of your poor quailty Bigbores in the past ruined it for many. Spend the entire day wrenching on it, instead of riding it.

this guy is right too...we had a guide in colo.ride'n a 1997 stock yammi mm 136 with a gold finger.....and he could ride circles around all of 08's in the group....he was an inspiration to me and he taught me the sled is only as good as the rider....so all the power in the world wont get you to where your going unless you know how to handle it....

point and shoot is for cameras

 

[freak58trio]

When my friend's ask me why i keep "dumping" money into my 03 escape i simply tell them it's my hotrod. If we were on a forum for cars we would'nt be having a discusion like this now would we?!!!!

 

[Snorider]

When my friend's ask me why i keep "dumping" money into my 03 escape i simply tell them it's my hotrod. If we were on a forum for cars we would'nt be having a discusion like this now would we?!!!!

AMEN!!!!!

now I am going to steal your reason too when I get asked that question.

plus i like being able to put money into it slowly instead of 11k all at once.

 

[freak58trio]

AMEN!!!!!

now I am going to steal your reason too when I get asked that question.

plus i like being able to put money into it slowly instead of 11k all at once.

I agree with you on putting money in slowly cause i myself can't just go and drop 11k on a new sled. And besides i don't have to have the newest hunk of iron out their to have fun!!!!

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

yes the media says it is the best so buy one..i listen and did....what a mistake...and now the money i am going to lose selling the "hype" machine would bought a couple of seasons of 110.i even had second thoughts about the new and all my friends"you will love it buy it buy it"....it just sits now waiting for a new owner....i am going back to my old philosiphy if is not broken dont fix it....i love my mod.....long live big hp normally asp. 2 strokes...ps i have small hands and i can get to every part on my mod...i can not even get to the spark plugs on this m,and the xp has so much in the way you would need to be tom thumb to fix anything with out tearing it all apart.

I feel there's a mountain of truth in what you just said. Under the hood of my old VE is sort of like climbing under the hood of my old 350 chevy pickup. I can see, diagnose, and pull my motor in about 1/2 hour. It takes 1/2 hour in the sleds of today just to move all the BS out of the way. A properly set-up old VE chassis is also a dream to ride. I feel they're are a lot less quirky than any of the rider forward designs.

 

[Powderboy]

There another factor effecting this. Age. Its something the sled manufactures have been trying to combate for years. The target sled buyer keeps getting older because the sport is so expensive it isnt attracting a steady pool of younger riders. Hate to say it but its happening slowly with me. I'm less willing to screw around with a mod sled than I was 10 years ago and being number 1 on the hill takes 2nd place to just having a good time pounding around in the powder.

 

[xsummitx]

There another factor effecting this. Age. Its something the sled manufactures have been trying to combate for years. The target sled buyer keeps getting older because the sport is so expensive it isnt attracting a steady pool of younger riders. Hate to say it but its happening slowly with me. I'm less willing to screw around with a mod sled than I was 10 years ago and being number 1 on the hill takes 2nd place to just having a good time pounding around in the powder.

i have to disagree ....i am getting there too, but when the mrs. has pissed me off with her bull...thats where i go for some peace and serenity...she does not like the smell of 2stroke....it is my exscape to reflect and spend some time seeing how i can make it better...not that it needs it
but i can just keep on top of any maintance(they need it new or old)

freak58trio said too if this were a 4m on classic muscle cars....any one talking about fuel injection or plastic bumpers would be shot ...thats why they call them muscle cars....big hp and tinker time...not rice burners and turbos....any ways i got a love of the 2 stroke smoke and seperate pipes to me anything else just does not fit...dont get me wrong in 10 years maybe the newer sleds will have wings and autopilot and i can strap my wheel chair to it and still get out on the snow and fly to the top,but for now i want my arm to be straighten when i get a fist full of throttle and my stomach to feel the rumble of real hp..not listen to whining of a turbo, like my wife..not to mention i think this rider forward just feels all wrong, like i am on the front bumper not the seat.

 

[4Z]

Painful as it may sound. What happened to big bores: some folks should not be allowed to own one, some went down that road before they were "ready" and the rest were made for them.......for a while, then outgrew them.

 

[Beavis]

What's happening to big bores?

"My old UBR 900 eats XP's and Dragons for lunch, handles M1000's with ease...."

I'm pretty sure most new turbo's would eat you for lunch. And I'm also pretty sure your outdated edge chassis is not handling the bumps with ease.

If you'll take the fuzzy dice off your rear-view mirror you'll see that most guys that have the time and money to tinker are dumping their money into turbo's. The rest are just buying new iron every year or two and just having a blast jumping, boondocking, and letting their dealer fix their issues under warranty.

 

[aksnopro]

"My old UBR 900 eats XP's and Dragons for lunch, handles M1000's with ease...."

I'm pretty sure most new turbo's would eat you for lunch. And I'm also pretty sure your outdated edge chassis is not handling the bumps with ease.

If you'll take the fuzzy dice off your rear-view mirror you'll see that most guys that have the time and money to tinker are dumping their money into turbo's. The rest are just buying new iron every year or two and just having a blast jumping, boondocking, and letting their dealer fix their issues under warranty.

arctic cat has the cheapest longest extended warranty here in AK, 6 years matching factory warrenty for just over $700.00

fact is to maintain a snowmachine lifestyle i dont have time to wrench on my sled i need to gas and go!!(i do overlook it every ride of course, check suspension bolts ect) my wifes already pissed i havnt missed a weekend riding since christmas, im usually ready for summer 4x4ing and fishing but this year im bummed

-AK08m8

 

[duffman]

"My old UBR 900 eats XP's and Dragons for lunch, handles M1000's with ease...."

I'm pretty sure most new turbo's would eat you for lunch. And I'm also pretty sure your outdated edge chassis is not handling the bumps with ease.

If you'll take the fuzzy dice off your rear-view mirror you'll see that most guys that have the time and money to tinker are dumping their money into turbo's. The rest are just buying new iron every year or two and just having a blast jumping, boondocking, and letting their dealer fix their issues under warranty.

He didn't say he was beating turbos.

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

Turbos are an entirely different animal. I ride with a turbo guy quite often, he pulls the steep roughly twice as fast as I'm able to do it with my mod sled. I eat his roost (literally) most every weekend. They look like a blast but I think they climb faster than my brain can react to what's coming. Having a heavy throttle thumb I'm pretty sure I'll live longer if I don't go down that road. My big bore still gives me a rush. The one time cost (roughly $16,000) is a little hard to swallow especially since alot of folks are trying to give there old iron away. As far as the ride goes I think my dated chassis with remote reservoir walkers all the way around can't be beat. I actually know some people that have built turbo sleds and have come back to normally aspirated two smokers. They either scared the heck out of themselves or they wanted something more universal.

 

[Anylizer]

While I agree that the average age of the sledder is getting older, i do see alot of younger people getting into the sport. With this comes the lack of knowledge in the trades ie..... mechanics, construction wokers, welders etc. the younger generation is more "buy a new one" oriented. You know.... that new car smell. Therefor there are less and less guys with the required skills to tune B.B's or full mod sleds. The turn key ride with acceptable power is really much easier for them to deal with. Basiclly, the "tuners" are the old guys.

 

[xsummitx]

Turbos are an entirely different animal. I ride with a turbo guy quite often, he pulls the steep roughly twice as fast as I'm able to do it with my mod sled. I eat his roost (literally) most every weekend. They look like a blast but I think they climb faster than my brain can react to what's coming. Having a heavy throttle thumb I'm pretty sure I'll live longer if I don't go down that road. My big bore still gives me a rush. The one time cost (roughly $16,000) is a little hard to swallow especially since alot of folks are trying to give there old iron away. As far as the ride goes I think my dated chassis with remote reservoir walkers all the way around can't be beat. I actually know some people that have built turbo sleds and have come back to normally aspirated two smokers. They either scared the heck out of themselves or they wanted something more universal.

i keep hearing this same thing,i was thinking about a turbo for the m...but i am the same when i grab a fist full i get it all....do those turbos really have that much more spit and fire than a say 1200 cc breath'n normally?if that the case i should prob.keep to what i know....i have too many responcibilities to go and wrap my slef around a tree or launch off or into something i cant stop for.

 

[freak58trio]

i keep hearing this same thing,i was thinking about a turbo for the m...but i am the same when i grab a fist full i get it all....do those turbos really have that much more spit and fire than a say 1200 cc breath'n normally?if that the case i should prob.keep to what i know....i have too many responcibilities to go and wrap my slef around a tree or launch off or into something i cant stop for.

I got to ride HPI's turbo yammi last year at the big dog shoot out and when i got of that sled i was litterly shaking way more power than i was expecting !!! It's a whole different animal in my opinion kinda have to relearn how to ride again. I personally will never own one i don't need that kinda power too have fun.

 

[Work - Never]

Originally Posted by Skogen
I watched some turbos this weekend. Point and shoot. Dont get me wrong, it was impressive, but how much skill did i take to point and shoot up the hill. I know not every mod/turbo rider is like this, but many are. I wondered Saturday, what kind of marks they would be making on a stock sled like the rest of us, if they actually had to RIDE the machine, instead of pay somebody to put a turbo on it.

I have seen some VERY good riders on stock, or lightly modified sleds put up some sick marks in bowls. They got there because of their skill to ride, not because they dropped 7k for a turbo.

This takes the dumbest statement in a long time award.

MOST guys who ride turbo's are very good rider and learned how to handle sleds long before they got boost. MOST guys on turbo's went to turbo's because they could not find the HP they needed to take riding to a different level in big bore sleds. The fact is boondocking is fun but it does little for the adrenaline rush. Guys built turbo's so they can pull stuff that gives them a rush. Riding is always funner after you pull one of those gut wrenching chutes that put you on a natural high.

 

[Old-n-Slow]

Buy it! Ride it stock sell it for less of a loss and move on to the next new model