What would WyoBoy do to improve a pro?

[Hillclimbpro]

With WyoBoy doing all these mods to the cats to make them better and to hang with or beat the pros. WyoBoy what would you do to a pro to improve it? 3" track with gear down kit and clutching ? Not trying to be a smart a$$ I'm asking to see what you would do as I own a 13' 163.

 

[damx]

Buy an axys haha

 

[Hillclimbpro]

Buy an axys haha

Look closer at my avatar !!

 

[leadfoot33]

put the suzuki in it

 

[Hillclimbpro]

Anyone can chime in on this. I've only been on a pro for a half of a season. I personally like it more than the doos and cats but there is always something you can do to improve it over stock.

 

[shanny]

I'm the opposite, just came off a pro to cat. IMO, the shock package on the Pro is a joke so revalved or upgraded shocks are a must. Lack of power was my biggest issue and there's many options to solve that. Drop-in kits seem to be the best solution. Other than that, it's a great sled.

 

[Reg2view]

Anyone can chime in on this. I've only been on a pro for a half of a season. I personally like it more than the doos and cats but there is always something you can do to improve it over stock.

Best investment - take an advanced skills riding class.

For the sled, on the stock Pro-ride, increase HP (blower, big bore, whatever), 3" track, clutching/gearing (beyond the driver change, it's up to your HP method, elevation, and pocket book), skid (kmod, timbersled, etc.), narrow front end. That should cover it.

No one really knows on the Axys. I could see some hp, skid, and front end, to make it more capable and spend some $$$. Lots of us would likely be hard pressed to push a well running Axys past it's limits, stock, I suspect. Rider skill still wins.

 

[ullose272]

shocks were a huge thing for me. i like my 36" front and my promotion. its like riding a dirt bike now..

 

[B&M Fabrications]

After riding a pro for 3 years with stock shocks and then taking a trip on one with a set of exits X2s on it....definitely shocks hands down. Raptors or exits are both amazing shocks and definitely will make a really good sled amazing. Hard to even explain the world of difference.

 

[roni87]

pro

You can basically do everything to the pro as the proclimb.

I've got mine tore apart and putting back together. BM fab boards have been hacked up and rewelded, tunnel has been seriously cut and panels will be pulled in big time.

Bunch of stuff can be skinny'd up til you have a sled that resembles a snowhawk on your hands (with two skis of course).

 

[CO 2.0]

I rode Wyoboy's stock 15 pro rmk last year. I hated it. Felt like a pogo stick. I understand why he was complaining about it and riding his modded proclimb all the time. I was riding a modded 15 proclimb as well with great shocks, narrowed boards/panels, increased steering, and more power. I also used to own a 12 pro rmk with Raptors all around, skinz boards, zbroz arms, and belt drive. It was hands down easier and more predictable to ride over his stock 15. On the pro's my biggest complaint is the stock shocks. After good shocks are on it, it rides great and makes a very predictable ride. Then I would go zbroz arms.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

After riding the axys it's so much better than the pro is not even comparable, just like my 14 cat.
Having a 14 cat that weighs about the same and a 16 cat that is narrowed and getting a decent feel for the axys, The one thing that has to happen for sure is dropping the handle bars, they are way to high for technical riding. Being tall it forces me back to far. Other then that though, I need more time on it. I can feel some things and possibilities but it's still very capable.
The shock problem the pro had was not really apparent, at least nothing like the crap on a pro.
I hear there is a lot of weight you can lose with a can.
So for me, drop bars, for sure
Lose some weight
Prob a 3" power claw.
Just have to ride it after that.

I can tell you one thing though, if I had to ride stock, it would only be on an axys

 

[mountainhorse]

Ok... I'll throw this out here... Sincere questions to start a good dialog.

When you guys say the "stock shocks suck" ... or your new ones "Rock"...

What, SPECIFICALLY, are you referring to??

What characteristics don't you like about them? (try to describe this in detail)

Did you buy your sled new and keep them serviced?

Are you a heavier than 210 or lighter than 160 lbs?

Do you do a lot of trail riding and mogul bashing?





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[Hillclimbpro]

After riding the axys it's so much better than the pro is not even comparable, just like my 14 cat.

Having a 14 cat that weighs about the same and a 16 cat that is narrowed and getting a decent feel for the axys, The one thing that has to happen for sure is dropping the handle bars, they are way to high for technical riding. Being tall it forces me back to far. Other then that though, I need more time on it. I can feel some things and possibilities but it's still very capable.

The shock problem the pro had was not really apparent, at least nothing like the crap on a pro.

I hear there is a lot of weight you can lose with a can.

So for me, drop bars, for sure

Lose some weight

Prob a 3" power claw.

Just have to ride it after that.



I can tell you one thing though, if I had to ride stock, it would only be on an axys

I'm assuming you knew I meant the pro rmk and not the axys. I know it got confusing with the first couple post. So for my 13' pro I already put the shorter bars on it and a PAR head. I was thinking on going with the 3" track with 7 tooth drivers and kurts gear down kit with his clutching. I've heard lots of good things about the gear down kit from all the local guys running them. I would go boosted but I think those days are over for me. Just not worth the money to me because it seems I like to get a new sled every two years or so.

 

[B&M Fabrications]

Ok... I'll throw this out here... Sincere questions to start a good dialog.

When you guys say the "stock shocks suck" ... or your new ones "Rock"...

What, SPECIFICALLY, are you referring to??

What characteristics don't you like about them? (try to describe this in detail)

Did you buy your sled new and keep them serviced?

Are you a heavier than 210 or lighter than 160 lbs?

Do you do a lot of trail riding and mogul bashing?





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Mine was purchased new and ridden as is with the shocks serviced yearly.

After going to the KMOD skid with raptors in it, the overall downfall for me is the slow speed dampening the stock shocks seem to lack. Once it had exits in the front it really opened my eyes to the same qualities on the stock front walkers. The stockers to me get hot on the trail up and start to lose their luster after a few rides. Reservoir shocks keep the fluid life longer and had much better ride quality. Softer slow speed dampening let me go to a softer initial rate on the springs which makes the sled feel much more tippy and less planted. Obviously at high speed rates they do the job of soaking up the big hits as well. Specifically speaking - The shock package made me feel more confident in off camber situations where you need to physically pull the sled into the hill before getting too throttle happy. Also feeling less abused at the end of the day. I'm about 175 RTR. Honestly stock shocks revalved and resprung will make it an awesome sled. Just be prepared to service the stock shocks at short intervals.

 

[RobertTrivanovic]

Im curious on the topic of the shocks here, I just bought a 13 pro and havnt ridden it yet. Has stock NON clicker shocks... Anyways, what shocks in particular are the issue? Is it just the front? The back? Both?

 

[icr]

All walker Evans sled shocks suffer from poor tolerance control which leads to shorter service intervals. The stock valving leaves a lot on the table. Revalving and using quality oil and seals will make a noticeable difference but will not give the same performance as a high end shock.

 

[ullose272]

Im 190 lbs and the stock shocks didnt bother me. Until i put on my carls float evols. They make the trail ride and jumping waaaaaay nicer

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[WyoBoy1000]

Stock shocks, where do I start aside from the trash can. The valving doesn't work, the spring rates, what ever.
TSR knows how to make them work though.
Or go to floats, raptors or exits.
It makes the sled give a little then flip on its edge, no transition.
Mine is a new 15 stock, maybe it comes from riding my cat that actually works and trying to ride a lesser setup.

As for what to do with a pro, 11-15 what would I change.
Drop bars,
Add power,
Drop, roll, drive system and put a 3" powerclaw.
16 cat skid, or kmod
Upgrade front shocks
Raise the boards
Lower the a arms.

Our just do the work to the cat, that's why I rode the cat last year.
The way I setup the cat I don't see the same potential in the pro. And would have cost more to get the equivalent. Just like the xm, way more money to put it in the game.
Although if I had to ride 100% stock 2015 sled, it would probably be a pro. But small changes on either are a big deal. 2.6 power claw and shocks on a pro is a big jump. Narrow boards and steering on a cat is huge. Those sleds with those mods is a thrill of a match.

Now the axys, is a much, much better battle for the cat to catch

 

[mountainhorse]

... Just be prepared to service the stock shocks at short intervals.

If, in your frequent service you are requiring, you are changing the oil and recharging the nitrogen... and not changing shims/seals... That would be a shock oil issue... If the valving or piston orifices are not ideal... they can certainly "scorch" your oil... even good oil.

That "scorched" oil is most often not caused by not having a resi... on what is, essentially, a snow cooled shock... it is the valving spec.
Heck... the whole shock itself rarely gets hot on a mountain sled unless you get your kicks from 20 miles of endless mogul bashing on the trail (like on the ride to the Pamby Ice cap from the Rutherford, ouch)....but a "cool" shock can still scorch the oil... and scorched oil does not work well.
Thermal fade is not a situation where you simply have scorched oil... It is where the oil and shock are too hot... rarely does this happen on a mountain sled like it would on a snowcrosser etc. Thermal fade is not permanent and goes away when the shock cools down again. Thermal fade and scorched oil are two separate things... although multiple cycles of thermal fade can lead you down the road to scorched oil.

A remote resi shock, on a mountain sled..... has as it's prime feature, the ability to vary the compression side damping through the use of a secondary valve stack and a valving-preload-adjuster (clicker), something a non-resi shock cannot do with consumer offerings avail today.
Even a remote resi shock can experience scorched oil if the valving and piston are not designed well.

On the Walkers, with what TRS has shown me... the stock mineral-oil shock fluid is lower quality and the fluid literally wears out quickly. A switch to a better quality shock oil, like Raptor or Amsoil full synthetic will make a big difference in necessary service intervals for the shock.

All that being said, the factory, to produce a sled that has a reasonable retail price, cannot afford to put top end shocks like Raptor, Fox, EXIT etc on the machine and still turn a profit that looks good at the annual shareholders meeting.







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