What will you do with all your equipment when snowmobiling is banned?

[Yamadoo04]

Guys, I guess the other thing that prompted this -

If they decide to ban this, all the big popular areas ... RE, Snowies, IP, all that stuff .... is going to have armed tree cops on patrol with kevlar vests and MP5's on their shoulders.

I've seen this before ....

I mean we can all claim "we're still going to ride" but the realistic view of that is that while one or two folks that live in the more remote areas might be able to sneak out of their back yards and get some riding in, most all of us won't, especially those of us who typically ride at the more popular areas. There will be tree cops crawling all over them like maggots on a month old ham thats been sitting in the sun.

I mean you can claim "yeah they can't catch me" but the reality of it is, yes, they can and will, and if for whatever reason they don't, ditching them via riding is only going to result in your truck and/or trailer being towed off before you get back to the lot.

I mean in all honesty, the more I read about this crap they just pulled off with the clearwater forest is just the tip of the ice berg, they are gonna start pulling that crap everywhere next year ....

IDK, I guess we can all stick our heads in the sand and talk big, but we're screwed. We lost.

Its easy just take them out of the equation.

 

[ewsummit]

skiers

I've been thinking a lot about this latley, and I'm seriously considering selling all my snowmobiling stuff.

We're fighting a losing battle.

I think we're probably within 4 years of being all but totally banned from public land. Snowmobiling as we've known it, especially the last 10 years will be effectively regulated out existence.

I'd like to think "Well if I hang onto all of it maybe once the revolution happens I can go back to sledding" ... but I dbout that'd happen in my lifetime.

Keep the sleds mothballed and maybe one day after the dust settles and the liberals have finally been banished from existence my great grand children can pull out the ancient iron and have fun in the snow?

Sad thoughts, but I really have to wonder.

I see the skiers are suing the forest service for taking the water from the resorts. How do they like it when gov just takes things away.

 

[snowmobiler]

the odds of that stupid video closing my riding are zip.

 

[tudizzle]

the odds of that stupid video closing my riding are zip.

your right....I see no chance of it effecting your local buffet.

 

[Scott]

Well... as far as I know It is legal to chase coyotes in Montana. Not sure where this video was taken... we have coyote hunts in Montana (central and eastern part) all through the winter and I have never heard of anyone ever getting in trouble for chasing them on sleds and 4 wheelers, and dirt bikes, and I just spent the morning looking through regulations and laws... They are considered a predator.... not like elk and deer and moose which are protected from wildlife harassment. I agree... may not be the best thing for the "cause" posting these videos but still legal. My thoughts... dislike the tree huggers as much as the next guy... if we would actually get a real winter like we used to in Montana, it may help to push them back to where they came from! I don't mind people moving to this state, but don't come here and tell us how to live... leave that for the spot you grew up in. Oh... and VOTE OBAMA OUT!


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At the risk of being touchy...in case all that was directed at me....where did all that come from? What gave you the idea I'm from somewhere else?

I AM FROM Montana. My great great grandfather was a vigilante and was there for the hanging of Henry Plummer. He came here to the Bitterroot in 1863. His name was James B. Stuart, brother of Grandville Stuart. (They discovered gold at Gold Creek in 1858).
I'd say we've been here a while. Soooo, the spot I grew up in....is here. YOU?

BTW, it is legal to hunt from a vehicle, ATV, motorcycle, etc, as we know.

It is NOT legal to shoot from one.

It is NOTlegal to run over animals to harvest them, hence the reason for not being allowed to pick up road-kill animals. You can't even legally tag an animal that you hit with your truck. You can't touch it whatsoever. You're not even legally allowed to put it out of it's misery. They'll cite you with unlawful taking of a game animal.

Now, as for predators and non-game animals...the game wardens I know will write tickets for running over coyotes with a vehicle of any kind.

 

[tymetoride]

Sorry Scott wasn't directed at you. Yours was just the one my "smart phone" copied... I like you have family history dating back that far here also... lived here my whole life and don't want to live anywhere else. I am sorry if you thought it was directed at you. Just tired of out-of-staters coming here and saying "this is what you oughta do"... as for the animals I said it wasn't legal to do it with game animals... predators are a different category... what ticket would the game wardens write you? The aren't considered in the wildlife section, look on the fwp website, so it wouldn't be wildlife harassment. I have seen wardens at competitions for coyote hunting before and never seen them do anything... wouldn't it be the same as running them in a plane?(off subject but kind of the same), I have seen that done also. Wasn't trying to make you angry or cause bad blood.

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[Scott]

PJ, I'm glad that's not your account. I was hoping it wasn't and didn't really think that is was. I had thought I remembered you disliking that video before when it came up in that thread called "got em".

 

[Scott]

Sorry Scott wasn't directed at you. Yours was just the one my "smart phone" copied... I like you have family history dating back that far here also... lived here my whole life and don't want to live anywhere else. I am sorry if you thought it was directed at you. Just tired of out-of-staters coming here and saying "this is what you oughta do"... as for the animals I said it wasn't legal to do it with game animals... predators are a different category... what ticket would the game wardens write you? The aren't considered in the wildlife section, look on the fwp website, so it wouldn't be wildlife harassment. I have seen wardens at competitions for coyote hunting before and never seen them do anything... wouldn't it be the same as running them in a plane?(off subject but kind of the same), I have seen that done also. Wasn't trying to make you angry or cause bad blood.

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No worries....I got it. You hit quote instead of reply. No worries.

As for the runnin over yotes issue... I'm pretty sure there is a line in there somewhere about harassment of wildlife, regarding inhumane treatment. I'll talk to my buddy, who is a captain out of Missoula. He'll straighten me out.

 

[sledfvr]

I am a member and donate to SAWS and BRC. All these organizations will do is buy us time. This is part of the Agenda and its gonna happen if we like it or not. We won't lose all of our riding areas right away, but we are losing the best riding areas first. Attending the meetings may also help delay the process a year or two, but it's inevitable. As sledders, we can't even agree with each other on most of this. A lot of that is caused from the frustration of losing our land. I'm losing areas in the Clearwater NF that I've been riding over 20 years. We lost the Montana side in the 90's and now the Idaho side. I ride this area 1-2 times a week during the winter. Yes, I knew it was on the chopping block since 2008. It's closing this year. When it closes I may sell my turbo yammi's because it was one of the only area's close to me that was big enough to open them up.
I do see what Dogmeat is saying. I have been ticketed in a "proposed test area for wilderness" in the past. I was told the fines double for every ticket after that and then I can be kicked out of National Forest all together. The main thing that we as "sledder's" need to realize is that we are not the problem. We are the victims. So what do we do now? I wish I knew. Enjoy it while it lasts, because our kids may not be able to.

 

[sledfvr]

I was like some of you who aren't worried about these closures. Once it starts happening to your areas, you will realize it and it will be too late. Just like me. My ticket was in a "proposed test-area for wilderness". Think about that...its not wilderness. Its not even a test area for wilderness. They are thinking about using it as a test area, maybe, someday.

 

[sledfvr]

one suggestion would be to go to meetings and speak with facts not rhetoric.
Case in point, the clearwater is in idaho not montana. If we are going to beat the greenies, it is not with rhetoric, but with logical, factual info. We need to get our ducks in a row and no what the designations mean and not give up.

When was the last time you went to more than one forest service meeting in a year? get involved speak your mind, but know what you are talking about. Big blowhards don't help, not knocking you dogmeat. But at last nights meeting there was a bunch of that.

At least he knows about the closure and cares. Can't give him too much grief, he lives in Utah. I honestly don't think we could ever beat the greenies. There aren't enough of us. If more showed up to the meetings it would buy us time, but that's about it.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

At least he knows about the closure and cares. Can't give him too much grief, he lives in Utah. I honestly don't think we could ever beat the greenies. There aren't enough of us. If more showed up to the meetings it would buy us time, but that's about it.

It's not really the number of people opposing the greenie BS, it's the money they have that's beating us. They pay politicians $$ to support their ideas, the politician takes that money and supports their proposal. It's not about what the politician believes it's about how much money can you give me to change my mind.

 

[sledfvr]

You nailed it PJ.

 

[Sledsniper]

Why dont the manufacturers get involved? Im no expert here.
Just would like to see them help us out whith a lawyer to appeal these land closures.
The greenes tied up wolf hunting for how long with there appleals?

 

[freekweet mods]

Run open stingers and ride where you want anyway,obviously.

 

[Dogmeat]

one suggestion would be to go to meetings and speak with facts not rhetoric.
Case in point, the clearwater is in idaho not montana. If we are going to beat the greenies, it is not with rhetoric, but with logical, factual info. We need to get our ducks in a row and no what the designations mean and not give up.

When was the last time you went to more than one forest service meeting in a year? get involved speak your mind, but know what you are talking about. Big blowhards don't help, not knocking you dogmeat. But at last nights meeting there was a bunch of that.

Yeah, I know the whole blowharding does us jack **** .... but case in point, I've donnated about $1500 to BRC, SAWS and USA-ALL over the course of the last several years ...

They need to be getting $1,000,000 donations, not $100 donations.

Money talks, bull**** walks .... and the greenies are so well funded they'll just bankrupt anyone who wants to litigate. Its a ****ing industry shutting other industry and public access down. The only industry we have in our corner, truly, are oil companies. They are adamantly opposed to wilderness designations as a whole as well, but they can't support public access groups because that'd be utterly trashed in the media.

My entire life revolves around access to public land in the west, for work, recreation everything. Believe me I have a stake in this. I've written letters, been to local BLM meetings, all of it.

Major problem I have, like many others, is that I have a real job, unlike the psuedo hippies and foreigners who push this ****. Public comment sessions are *****BULL********* ..... right, lets have the public comemnt session on the proposed travel plan at 2:30pm till 4:30pm on a Wednesday afternoon.


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[TIM]

I reread what i wrote, and that did come off to harsh. i do apologize for that.
We just need to get more people involved, earlier in the process.

 

[Dogmeat]

I reread what i wrote, and that did come off to harsh. i do apologize for that.
We just need to get more people involved, earlier in the process.

I figure all of us need to buy more lottery tickets too. If one of us wins a $300 million powerball, take a lump sum of $150,000,000 roughly, then invest that into some business ventures and hope for some success then donate all the interest on what we'd hopefully make to BRC et all, we'd have something.

I mean **** they have these foreign billionairs who, literally, bankroll these organizations as pet projects just by the interest off the millions and billions they make on hedge funds and stuff.

 

[Sledsniper]

Ive never thought of a better reason to buy lottery tickets.
Thanks,Dogmeat

 

[tudizzle]

I'll just go back to using a truck