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What no threads about how great McCain's Speech was???.....
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"In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator."
www.nytimes.com
Yes, No, For, Nor, Present
My bad... it counts as a no. What can I say? I took a shot.... 
The nytimes article is wrong... it is not a sidestepping measure... it counts as a no vote... with a paragraph attached to it.
Here is a good article for people to read. Kind of explains the system and brings up some good points about in congress, people just don't show up....
Voting present explained
The nytimes article is wrong... it is not a sidestepping measure... it counts as a no vote... with a paragraph attached to it.
Here is a good article for people to read. Kind of explains the system and brings up some good points about in congress, people just don't show up....
Voting present explained
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Good link Ruffy. 
It does clear it up a bit.
It does clear it up a bit.
......that's because it wasn't!!!!!!!
The video prior to his speech was amazing though
He is a hell of a man!!
Nobody will say anything bad about John Mccain. Unless they would like to come and see me!!! No one here has a clue of what that man went thru. Well maybe I shouldn't say that , But damn few know.
We will never leave Iraq. We are still in Korea, Vietnam. What is this crap about leaving Iraq. Do you think we can pull our trap and go home? Dough head.
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THANK YOU. Amazing how many people think we "pull out" and it's all said and done.
Oh, we could, but we won't.
Let me see the facts AzCats, to back that 90% figure up. I have asked this question on several threads that claim 90% to 95% similar votes with Bush, and I have not gotten one response yet that has backed that figure up with some facts.
Also, which of these 90% so-called votes that may be the same, do not agree with?
With only xxx number of votes from the Senate that ever make it to the President's desk, I find it hard to believe that any Senator could have a 90% plus record with Bush.
I am not a big Bush fan. I am not a big McCain fan. I am not a fan of Obama at all.
Federal government is the big evil in my opinion, so we vote for the least of two evils AWAYS!!! In this case, McCain/Palin would be the least of two evils IMO.
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interesting, your anti-religion in government??? what you just stated is a set of beliefs which you more than likely adhere to or at least try to... that my friend is a form of religion. im not bashing on you just pointing out a fact.
Should be stated as anti-organized religion... I would say that a set of beliefs would be your spirituality, not religion.... though that is symantics...
true but at its current status it appears its not organzied. false on the spirituality... its still a form of religion. oh yeah i think your in love with symantics.
Let's see:
I'm not anti-assault rifle. the definition of assault rifle is stupid. Now, if you said anti-aircraft missile or something.
anti coorperate tax breaks for oil companies, stinks of a democrat witch hunt. But, I'm all for equal tax breaks, or charges, for all companies, little or no favorites, except where the last company is going under due to unfair overseas competition.
Other than that, you and me agree completely.
That's exactly what I ment, thanks Ruffy.
I hear you Wade, I just don't see a point in AK's and such but I'm aslo not sure we should take them away. I'm kinda a flipper on this issue and I have a consealed weapons permit but dont pack very often.
i'm pretty much with you besides offshore drilling and as long as conservation means that you don't close the area down from snowmobiling atv dirtbike ect. and the super rich (top few percent) should have a reasonably higher tax
ericbigbore,
Congrats you're one of the growing number of "Crunchy Cons". Conservatives with a strong but balanced approach to environmental issues.
Will we be in Irag for 100 years? Possibly.
We've maintained a continuous military presence in Germany and Japan since 1945, and Korea since 1953. Those places are stable, allies and key trading partners.
I was in the Air Force for 21 years. I worked directly with fighter pilots and have known many, many Viet Nam combat vets, including some who were shot down. Most of those shot down were rescued but a few were captured. I've had the honor of meeting Bud Day and Robbie Risener (who was a POW in Korea and Viet Nam) and others less well known. Early in my career my Wing Commander, Colonel Art Hoffson had been a POW in the Hanoi Hilton for over 6 years. Later in my career Lt Col Bill Andrews was my Squadron commander. His F-16 was shot down during the Gulf War in '91. When he parachuted to the ground he broke his leg and was captured minutes later. His Iraqi interrogators repeatedly hit him in the head with a hammer for refusing to give them information.
I was awed by those men. Warriors to their cores, they had no regrets and would go back to combat in a second.
Fighter pilots are guys who don't shy away from a fight and who make decisons and live with the consequences. That said John McCain has balls. I like that in a leader.
I disagree with him on some key issues but he'll get my vote. I believe that he believes that America is fundamentally good nation. His socialist opponent seems to feel otherwise.
JM2C
Congrats you're one of the growing number of "Crunchy Cons". Conservatives with a strong but balanced approach to environmental issues.
Will we be in Irag for 100 years? Possibly.
We've maintained a continuous military presence in Germany and Japan since 1945, and Korea since 1953. Those places are stable, allies and key trading partners.
I was in the Air Force for 21 years. I worked directly with fighter pilots and have known many, many Viet Nam combat vets, including some who were shot down. Most of those shot down were rescued but a few were captured. I've had the honor of meeting Bud Day and Robbie Risener (who was a POW in Korea and Viet Nam) and others less well known. Early in my career my Wing Commander, Colonel Art Hoffson had been a POW in the Hanoi Hilton for over 6 years. Later in my career Lt Col Bill Andrews was my Squadron commander. His F-16 was shot down during the Gulf War in '91. When he parachuted to the ground he broke his leg and was captured minutes later. His Iraqi interrogators repeatedly hit him in the head with a hammer for refusing to give them information.
I was awed by those men. Warriors to their cores, they had no regrets and would go back to combat in a second.
Fighter pilots are guys who don't shy away from a fight and who make decisons and live with the consequences. That said John McCain has balls. I like that in a leader.
I disagree with him on some key issues but he'll get my vote. I believe that he believes that America is fundamentally good nation. His socialist opponent seems to feel otherwise.
JM2C
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Yes I'm with you on conservstion, we have plenty of land set aside. Let's take care of that land and focus on resposible multi use land and trails. For those of you that mountain bike, you know that's the same huge fight, hikers vs bikers vs horses - Sno mo's vs heli/cat skiers vs x - country. I'ts so narcisistic (sp) and old.
I just have a couple of questions for you though, are you against off and on shore drilling? Why, what are your thoughts? And as far as the rich paying more taxes, the top 5% already pay 80% of America's taxes and the bottom 50% pay less than 10% of the taxes. I'm not really sure what the answer is on this but what's the right % in your mind? I kinda think it's fair the way it is.
ok nevermind what i said about the rich paying more is that really is true i'm only 15 and obviously don't know everything i just heard my dad talking to a friend about that and how a lot of them are cheating there taxes (again i don't really know if its true). I aso heard that alot of the offshore drilling people want to do could cost more than it would gain and take around eight years to start seeing the full results and during that whole time we could of gotten a more long term solution. and there is also environmental effects but again i'm 15 and don't know a lot (i would do more research if i could vote)
true but at its current status it appears its not organzied. false on the spirituality... its still a form of religion. oh yeah i think your in love with symantics.
So what is the difference between religion and spirituality? There is one.....
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