WHAT HAPPENED TO INDY DAN's LONG ROD MOTOR THREAD??

[indydan]

The Moderator line was out of place !!

I have been boiling ever since my post was pulled.

And my comment on moderators in bed was out of context I apologize.

Being a moderator is a very thankless complex job and sometimes hard to figure out the moral and ethical lines.

Please forgive me !!!

I also know alot of people in the sled world I am an old timer.

I own a fusetalk forum and I fully understand the moderators rolls and different power levels that can be given to different moderators.

I also know that high level moderators can read anyones private message & see their passwords. ( Never misunderstand the privacy of the internet. )

There is none.

Again moderating is a hard job and i would never want it.........I just want fairness to the masses... and myself.

 

[jeepin270]

I deleted Indy Dan's Post... And talked to both Dan and Brad on the phone (yesterday)

Both have agreed not to air their "personal laundry" on the forums here.

It was deleted for a reason... There are no personal or business attacks allowed on here... plain and simple.

There seems to be a deterioration of the relationship between Dan and Brad... and that is between the two of them.

Both Dan and Brad are friends of mine. I've stayed with Dan at his home. And have visited with Brad as well at his home. Which makes this personally very difficult for me to watch happen.

Both parties build high quality parts in my experience... I have installed/used parts from both people and I have been very happy with the results.

I currently have a motor with Dan Turen and really look forward to running it.

"Cheap Taiwanese" connecting rods...C'mon man... do you have any personal experience with QC on these rods or any real information to share with us??

Your rods WERE made in Taiwan, I'm told by Brad... by the same company that makes OEM rods for Arctic Cat and Carillo. You bought your parts for a reason... IMO... you should trust your first instinct OR if you don't trust it ... do as you say and send the Crankshaft to Indy Specialty to have the work done if that is your preference.

The last thing we need to see on here is another "Battle of the Cheerleaders".

I will delete any Cut & Pastes or quotes of this from ebay or other sources.

Most of you know me and know that I work very hard to keep an even keel and not over-moderate these forums. I VERY rarely delete a thread... and can count the amount of times on my hand that I've done that.

Also... you all need to understand that ALL of the moderators Volunteer their time on here

All this talk of censorship is starting to get old as well.

Simply put, you cannot come on this forum and start a feud.

I don't need to watch a cheerleading match on here to enjoy this forum.... Do you???

Dan told me that he understands what and why... If that is good enough for him... It should be good enough for you too.







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This isnt dirty laundry.... I think it is bs when you delete threads and posts. Some posts that are derogatory should be. When someone is doing bad buisness and it is exposed it shouldnt be deleted. Why do you delete these posts???? Is it because your protecting paid advertisers? A lot of people use this site as a guide before they purchase kits and you are hiding there dirt. This isnt the only time either, why are you protecting these people?

 

[indydan]

Thank you, Dan. 99 % of the people on snowest are looking for help and info as you said. Not every one is a mechanic, machinist, nor can afford to haul a sled to a shop to be repaired. The advice on these forums save alot of bacon for alot of people and they deserve honesty. Im sorry to hear that your partnership went sour. A handshake and your word just doesnt go far anymore.

Your welcome, and you are correct - I built my business on a handshake.

Things have changed.

Thank you 900polman

 

[Murph]

Dan,

I have spoken to you a few times on the phone and have had you balance my primary. I have read your posts and read people's reviews of your work.

Like I said, I have spoken to you personally and observed your work first hand. I have no doubt that you will build a LR motor, or two, for me. I have the utmost respect for your abilities and expertise.

I also have some advice. Do not get drawn into the cesspool of a forum war. There will always be someone else out there-- new or old-- that will have something derogatory to say about a competitor. Indy Specialties (your) reputation speaks for itself as does the quality of your work and WARRANTY. Let the other guys fling poo on each other and just keep doing what you have always done-- build great parts, and find new solutions to keep Polaris sleds on the snow.

Some people will always buy Chinese stuff and complain when it breaks. Indy Specialties can't really help people who have that mentality. So stop trying.

Just keep up the good work and those who know will find you. And lots of us who have no vested interest in Indy Specialties will continue to send people your way.

 

[Scott]

I have been boiling ever since my post was pulled.

And my comment on moderators in bed was out of context I apologize.

Being a moderator is a very thankless complex job and sometimes hard to figure out the moral and ethical lines.

Please forgive me !!!

I also know alot of people in the sled world I am an old timer.

I own a fusetalk forum and I fully understand the moderators rolls and different power levels that can be given to different moderators.

I also know that high level moderators can read anyones private message & see their passwords. ( Never misunderstand the privacy of the internet. )

There is none.

Again moderating is a hard job and i would never want it.........I just want fairness to the masses... and myself.

Thanks for posting that.

Btw, I'm waiting to find out how I can read PMs and see passwords. Haven't achieved that mythical level yet. Lol

 

[indydan]

Dan,

I have spoken to you a few times on the phone and have had you balance my primary. I have read your posts and read people's reviews of your work.

Like I said, I have spoken to you personally and observed your work first hand. I have no doubt that you will build a LR motor, or two, for me. I have the utmost respect for your abilities and expertise.

I also have some advice. Do not get drawn into the cesspool of a forum war. There will always be someone else out there-- new or old-- that will have something derogatory to say about a competitor. Indy Specialties (your) reputation speaks for itself as does the quality of your work and WARRANTY. Let the other guys fling poo on each other and just keep doing what you have always done-- build great parts, and find new solutions to keep Polaris sleds on the snow.

Some people will always buy Chinese stuff and complain when it breaks. Indy Specialties can't really help people who have that mentality. So stop trying.

Just keep up the good work and those who know will find you. And lots of us who have no vested interest in Indy Specialties will continue to send people your way.

That....... was a wondeful and inspiring post. And your are also correct about the cesspool of internet wars. I have been stewing about some of this stuff for 2 years. and its truely not worth spending the energy.

The trust and loyalty is the part that really pushed over the edge.

I am digging as deep into my soul as i can to try and do as you say and just walk away from what this type of thing can do to your stress level.

I have had my fill of watching the PAR koolaid get drank and certain people pushing a product for PAR (That was thought of and designed by Indy Specialty ).

Strange to figure out that things were drawen up on solid works on a computer and no product ever built yet and the website was built without me even knowing it and the first 1640 was sold and I didn't even have the crankshaft assebled yet.

I wonder how much help the koolaid drinkers will be on warranty claims ??

Thank you for your advice.

Dan

 

[Kraven]

Just stating where/when I took the photo.

I actually agree with you... you did not get what PAR stated in their webpage...

PAR does/did describe the 910 as having billet rods... you got the Forged rods instead.

So ... I DO agree with you... the website should have been updated to show that these are now forged rods and not billet rods. You did not get what was advertised on the PAR website... which is a billet rod.

A more accurate description would have been better.

Good luck, sincerely, with your engine !


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As SnoWesters patiently await Brad's explanation & apology.........................

 

[Murph]

Dan,

Think of your very own thread regarding clutch balancing.

You acknowledge in that thread how some would be customers think you charge too much, and that you can't worry about that mentality.

Same thing goes here with other engine builders, parts makers. You will never convince EVERYBODY to be a customer of Indy Specialties. There is nothing wrong with that-- some customers are more hassle than they are worth. Focus on the customers you have (as you have always done-- with WARRANTY) and let the guys who go somewhere else deal with whatever issues they may or may not have to deal with.

I work in professional motorcycle roadracing-- mechanics, suspension guys, data guys, engine builders always believe that they are right and everybody else is wrong. You guys are all prima donnas (as bad as some of the "professional" riders)....
Hopefully you understand my humor and I'm just pulling your leg.

You feel like you got burned. It happens. I'm sure not the first time and probably not the last. Hopefully learned something from it and move on.

Now go run a machine tool or something that focuses your attention off of this.

I'll be sending you a bill for your forum therapy session in the mail.

 

[aebsledder]

That....... was a wondeful and inspiring post. And your are also correct about the cesspool of internet wars. I have been stewing about some of this stuff for 2 years. and its truely not worth spending the energy.

The trust and loyalty is the part that really pushed over the edge.

I am digging as deep into my soul as i can to try and do as you say and just walk away from what this type of thing can do to your stress level.

I have had my fill of watching the PAR koolaid get drank and certain people pushing a product that for PAR (That was thought of and designed by Indy Specialty ).

I wonder how much help the koolaid drinkers will be on warranty claims ??

Thank you for your advice.

Dan

Dan,
The reason it was an inspiring post is because it was true. Your reputation on Snowest and within the industry is impeccable. Murph's advice is also spot on in my opinion. When you take the high road, the people who want to do business with you will increase. This is a good thing for another reason. The same people who will increase your business volume are going to be the same people YOU will want to do business WITH. I think most folks on here will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff based on their own logic. I definitely think that I am not alone when I say you fall into the wheat category...

 

[m8magicandmystery]

some valuable lessons here....ebony and ivory...water and oil..

one can hope that a sharp enthusiastic young mind and character can be saved from
all this as an end result, so we can eventually reap the rewards of ingenuity that we seek in the after market.

We have the old guard with old values and committements

We have the young in a new world absent of many guardrails..

i just hope for the very best for both as the end result as that is the only way there will be a win in the end..

i don't want a flower to be pulled up as a weed yet when it still has growing to do..

and i don't want a tree cut when it has such strong deep roots...

 

[mountainhorse]

This most recent post from Dan, which will stay, is not like the first post that was pulled.

I always invite exchanges of rational, well presented information laid out well.

Posts that contain personal/business attacks are not something that I'll watch happen... regardless of the business/person.

Just to be clear... I HAVE NO PAID AVERTISERS.... I spend a LOT of time on here helping others with information, tips etc... I get ZERO, ZIP, NADA... FOR ANY OF MY TIME ON HERE.

If you are saying that I'm compensated by anyone... have a look at my post history in my profile before you speak.

I could count the number of posts that I've delted on my hands since becoming a moderator... I'm sure I'll do it again.

This isnt dirty laundry.... I think it is bs when you delete threads and posts. Some posts that are derogatory should be. When someone is doing bad buisness and it is exposed it shouldnt be deleted. Why do you delete these posts???? Is it because your protecting paid advertisers? A lot of people use this site as a guide before they purchase kits and you are hiding there dirt. This isnt the only time either, why are you protecting these people?

 

[mountainhorse]

Dan Thank you for that... good to talk to you again on the phone this morning as well.

Just to keep things factual.
This forum hasn't been on fusetalk for some time now (3+ years)... V-Bulletin program runs the SnoWestOnline.com

Moderators/Super-Moderators do NOT have access to any password information. We also do NOT have the ability to read PM's other than our own. System IT guys might have this ability ... but mods/supers don't.

...
And my comment on moderators in bed was out of context I apologize.


I own a fusetalk forum and I fully understand the moderators rolls and different power levels that can be given to different moderators.

I also know that high level moderators can read anyones private message & see their passwords. ( Never misunderstand the privacy of the internet. )

There is none.

Again moderating is a hard job and i would never want it.........I just want fairness to the masses... and myself.

.

 

[Norway]

Moderator Mountainhorse

On the phone with Dan and Brad....

That is beyond moderator in my book. I also followed from fusetalk, got on this circus "in another millenium" and I take my hat of for Eric.

You are creating some very large shoes to be filled one day with the time and energy you invest for our benefit. I believe your integrity is above reproach from my 12 years+ on this forum, 5 other forums in North America and 3 in Scandinavia.

Being both a Polaris man and a pro owner myself I have no clue how to thank you!

 

[RKT]

This whole PAR and Indy Specialty Rod supply thing is a bit confusing.. It would be nice to have a few answers to some simple questions that can be answered by anybody in the "know"

1)What country are the Indy Specialty current Pro 800 rods manufactured? It appears that we know what country the PAR rods were manufactured. So, it only is fair to know the origin of the other rods. Anybody know?

2)How much test time is on the Indy Specialty rods installed on the 800 PRO engine?
This is asked this because if Indy Specialty was relying on PAR to manufacture the rods for the 800 Pro over the Spring/ Summer and this, obviously, fell through, curious to know where they ended up sourcing the rods and how much time was spent testing the new rods over the Summer of 2012? Anybody know?

3) Why does some claim that there exists a Rod Ratio Issue with this engine? Where is the data that supports this claim?


Just trying to get some simple answers to some simple questions...

 

[Murph]

C'mon Kelsey....

You have a bunch of satisfied customers with your drop in kit, replacement piston kit, and 858 kit.

You don't need to stir the pot on this subject.

Can't we just let this thread drop down and DIE?.....

 

[NEWDUCK]

Shouldnt you be in the ski doo section???

 

[rmkboxer]

Mountainhorse note: I've deleted the quote from the Deleted post above.

I just am curious if there is a copyright on the crank? and this sure doesn't look like a post to end a pissing match and why were you recording and saving phone calls, I have met Brad once and I had one of your tested cranks. so I a not on brads side or yours just a couple questions. the snowmobile world from what I see is a cut throat world and unfortunately if you come up with something people copy it. It happens to all the companys

 

[indydan]

I just am curious if there is a copyright on the crank? and this sure doesn't look like a post to end a pissing match and why were you recording and saving phone calls, I have met Brad once and I had one of your tested cranks. so I a not on brads side or yours just a couple questions. the snowmobile world from what I see is a cut throat world and unfortunately if you come up with something people copy it. It happens to all the companys

Kevin, you would be correct.

But there is a massive difference between what your saying and One business sending parts to another company for quotes and then seeing them and producing them for profit by an employee of that company. brad works for CVM.

CVM is a MASSIVE machine shop that has many government contracts and brads Dad who have met is a wonderfull person I admire more then you will ever know. CVM knows first hand of the slippery slope of crossing this line.

I would bet the big wheels at CVM have no idea of brads inter workings behind the seens with all this pirating of parts sent for quotes.

Dan

 

[glassman]

I had a buddy send an invention into a patent company and to get a prototype built. 6 months later and alot of money into R&D he sees his product, with only one minor change sitting on the shelf at a department store. Talks to a lawyer and they tell him because he has no patent, and one little change was made, it is not the same item and he has no case.

 

[rick5150]

= (Dan)



LOL had to do it

I'm so glad this guy lives local to me when my motor decides to go kaboom
Heard so many great things locally about his shop before I was even on this forum.

PS Dan it'd be great if you kept working till your like 85 pls and thank you. I have many years of sledding to come.