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Weight as you ride VS Dry weight? Pro compared Proclimb/Summit

They make a spray that stops snow from sticking, mimor porting of the track helps get snow out your skid, I bet the 16 wide holds that much more on the doo.



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I thought the test looked pretty legit, now I will spend some time kicking ice off. I have the polaris burandt bag and I originally didn't like how big it was, but I have almost no ice build up on the tunnel!!

Well, well do I have a deal for you. Beautiful ocean front property, very close to downtown Saskatoon, you interested? LOL
 
If you can find it, try Snow Shooter, made by Spray Nine. An ice and snow no-stick spray made for snowblowers and snow shovels but see no reason it wont work on a sled. I have a bottle and have to try it yet. Maxi Glide also makes a no-stick coating for snow shoes......

On the size of ice sheet I previously mentioned......not saying that thick a sheet will hang up in your tunnel, but a good chunk of it in some shape will, and then add all the other places and before you know it, it can add up and approximate that size. Was using the thickness to help visualize, thats all.
 
Pretty interesting thread guys:

Try being on a Yami MTX. 417 is only a dream....but I finally got mine to 565lbs full of fuel and RTR, which is pretty close to the PC 800

That said, I spent almost as much time on my build figuring out ways to get rid of ice buildup on my sled. Very happy with it now, and here's my short list of what really worked..

1. Skinz Airframes...zero, and I mean zero ice build up.
2. Yoshi RS-5. Underseat and away from the tunnel
3. Aluminum tunnel snow deflector for header. By far the best deicer I have ever done. Somehow its keeping the tunnel really clean.
4. Painted tunnel. Less build up and sheds ice easier.
5. Black RTV on all the open cracks/joints in the nosecone/side panels, again, in fluffy powder, this really helps, and just slowing the snow injestion enough so it gets a chance to melt away..
6. Blocking off all the low vents....they plug full of ice anyways and become useless...there is one by the oil tank that is brutally stupid.

Last one is frogskins, if I can ever figure out how to do it on the hood vents...so far no luck.

I have been wondering about the idea of cooler length affecting ice buildup, and I think there might be something too it. On our sleds, its the rear mounted muffler that seems to be the worst offender for ice buildup. In my case the muffler is gone (out of the tunnel), and only the forward section of the header is exposed to the snow. With this setup, the build up is gone. Maybe it has more to do with the length of the melting surface than the temperature of the surface itself..as our headers are pretty hot!

Oh yeah, my 2 cents says 75lbs is an aweful pile of snow or ice for any sled...maybe if you are stuck in cascade concrete after jamming your sled straight into a drift...OK, but just riding.... I can't see it.

OTM

It is hilarious tho to see how much snow
 
Aight....math class back in.

Leave the poo out for a sec. The Doo started out lighter, and by the end the AC gained 36 LESS lbs that the Doo.

Just that 36 lbs would be an extra 4.32 GALLONS of water. Don't think 4.32 gallons is a lot....go pour 4.32 gallons of milk on your shop floor and let me know how much of a mess it makes. And that's just the extra that Doo supposedly holds over the Cat....not the total. Keeping in mind that Doo has all the same powdercoating/painted bits.

Further on that, lets say ice melts 1:1 into water (close enough). Snow melts 5:1 into water or less....so 5 gallons of average snow would give you 1 gallon of water. So any powdery, light-ish snow is adding very little weight without a HUGE volume of it.

With the pro....they are saying a gain of 94lbs. 94 lbs would be 11.30 GALLONS of water melted off. Over two 5-gallon pails full of solid ice, or over eleven 5-gallon pails full of snow....however you want to split that up. I always park my sled in a heated shop right after riding, and I know what 11 gallons on the ground would look like from my gas station days. It ain't that.....not even close.

Get out the hip-waders....it's getting deep in cat land. Bottom line is....they are trying to justify having the heaviest sled.

This is my first post in years here but this is bugging the crap out of me. You guys are assuming that all the extra weight is snow weight. We are talking about DRY weight to fully loaded WITH snow, that means, add anti-freeze, oil, gas, shock fluid, brake fluid, chain case fluid, etc. There are lots of variables here. For one, cat probably used a snow pro with fox floats so no fluid there, which of these sleds holds more oil, gas, antifreeze?
 
This is my first post in years here but this is bugging the crap out of me. You guys are assuming that all the extra weight is snow weight. We are talking about DRY weight to fully loaded WITH snow, that means, add anti-freeze, oil, gas, shock fluid, brake fluid, chain case fluid, etc. There are lots of variables here. For one, cat probably used a snow pro with fox floats so no fluid there, which of these sleds holds more oil, gas, antifreeze?

Watch the vid again, they weigh the sleds wet, full of gas and all fluids, then they refuel them in the field before hanging them in the tree. This would certainly be a fair enough way to weigh the snow and ice.

Where I have a problem with the video is how the Pro rider looks like he purposely never moved his feet. I've never had that much ice on my running boards before, especially in the toe area. The top of the Pro tunnel is definitely a slush machine, but it takes about 3 seconds to push it off the back with your foot, unless, of course, you're actually trying to let it accumulate all day for a Cat video. Then the M800 rolls in with spotless boards and you can almost see the swipe marks coming around the seat where the tunnel was wiped off. Whatever. Let the riders maintain their sleds like they were actually out riding with their buddies and then lets weigh them.

That sure looked like nice snow though!
 
Video is private now. Guess I should have gotten my laughs a few days ago.

Hey CAT! What gives? you put the video up then pull it down as soon as it is posted on Snowest! Embarrassed? Come on now Cat...you are the ones who did this test. You are the ones who I talked to and that started this whole post about "packing on the pounds" of snow and ice. Hmmm? Smells fishy to me.
 
Ok so here's the cat promo video about riding weight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbbeK93CVrQ&sns=em

I feel that that is a lot of snow as well, but seems pretty well thought out and accurately done....however....They measured 94 lbs increase on the pro and 47 lbs on the cat, and the pro was STILL lighter. Only by one pound but still lighter.

I know that this tells me a tunnel top wrap and nose cone block off plate are in my future, possibly a powder coated chassis or cf tunnel...

If the differance of a painted/coated to shed snow sled is 50 lbs in riding weight then I'm going to take the lightest dry sled, with the lightest riding weight AND the eaisest one to improve riding weight on and make it an even better sled.

Thanks for grabbing this screen shot M1KFlyingTiger. Visual evidence that Cat did produce the video and the stat's they found in their test. Nice work!
 
on another note: i just got all the small tree branches and pine needles out from under the fuel tank and around the engine belly pan. i weighed this debris and was shocked to find i was toting around 2 EXTRA pounds with me so far this season. you would think after forking out good money that the manufacturers would address this issue. class action lawsuit forthcoming lol :face-icon-small-coo
 
on another note: i just got all the small tree branches and pine needles out from under the fuel tank and around the engine belly pan. i weighed this debris and was shocked to find i was toting around 2 EXTRA pounds with me so far this season. you would think after forking out good money that the manufacturers would address this issue. class action lawsuit forthcoming lol :face-icon-small-coo

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