VENTING AND THE PRO-RIDE.... MY TAKE ON IT.

[gunnerthesnowman]

heres my take on the venting,thanks mtnhorse
I have also ordered the gill vents,Not here yet

whos kit is this?

 

[icerider600]

I have been following this venting issue with interest as I have a 2012 Pro RMK that I will be putting in my shop next week. I like the idea of adding more venting, but the price of a full set of 2 Cool vents seems way out of line to me. I will a pay fair price for something that in turn provides good return value, but..... these things are some screen a simple aluminum frame and some paint. Here is my question, and I apologize if this has already been beaten to death before. Has anyone made their own that they feel work and look as good as the 2 Cool vents? I am pretty handy in my shop so if it makes sense to make my own I may go that route. There are many things I plan on doing to my new sled and I know as a percentage of the purchase price the 2 Cool vents are a small percentage, but.... all these things add up.

Oregonsledder, did this for me and my buddies on our Doo XP's, I looked at a few vents and made my own templates and had my brother with his water jet cut them then I wrapped them with material I bought from another company some that was waterproof for the front shock tower vents so snow and water wouldnt go right into the clutches, side panels and knee vents were alot more open with different material. If you do this watch the pet screen stuff If you wrap it to the backside this stuff does not flex very good and is a pain in the arse!!! I figured I had about $75.00 into the material and just my time doing it,( Thats for 4 vents 2 big and 2 smaller ones) charged my buds $100 because I cut and installed them for all of them.( They supplied the beverages!) So if you want to do it, it's kinda a pain but way cheaper in the long run I will be making more once my new pro gets here and I will just look at everybody else's and make my take on them, BTW none have failed and they still look good!! I used .060 thick alum instead of plastic, worked great. Just my 2 cents here

 

[Oregonsledder]

Oregonsledder, did this for me and my buddies on our Doo XP's, I looked at a few vents and made my own templates and had my brother with his water jet cut them then I wrapped them with material I bought from another company some that was waterproof for the front shock tower vents so snow and water wouldnt go right into the clutches, side panels and knee vents were alot more open with different material. If you do this watch the pet screen stuff If you wrap it to the backside this stuff does not flex very good and is a pain in the arse!!! I figured I had about $75.00 into the material and just my time doing it,( Thats for 4 vents 2 big and 2 smaller ones) charged my buds $100 because I cut and installed them for all of them.( They supplied the beverages!) So if you want to do it, it's kinda a pain but way cheaper in the long run I will be making more once my new pro gets here and I will just look at everybody else's and make my take on them, BTW none have failed and they still look good!! I used .060 thick alum instead of plastic, worked great. Just my 2 cents here

Thank you! Your commets were exactly what I was looking for. I will probably do something on my own, but I seem to have to think about these kinds of projects for a while before jumping in.
Thanks again!

 

[2fun4u]

I have been following this venting issue with interest as I have a 2012 Pro RMK that I will be putting in my shop next week. I like the idea of adding more venting, but the price of a full set of 2 Cool vents seems way out of line to me. I will a pay fair price for something that in turn provides good return value, but..... these things are some screen a simple aluminum frame and some paint. Here is my question, and I apologize if this has already been beaten to death before. Has anyone made their own that they feel work and look as good as the 2 Cool vents? I am pretty handy in my shop so if it makes sense to make my own I may go that route. There are many things I plan on doing to my new sled and I know as a percentage of the purchase price the 2 Cool vents are a small percentage, but.... all these things add up.

Looks like you may have made up your mind, but I thought, as the owner of 2Cool, I would respond anyway.

We are friends with most of the other vent makers, and we feel that everyone makes a product that has its merits. They are all different prices, but very different products.

That said:

• Ours are aluminum frames with the prefilter and the mesh material wrapped around the frames.
  
• Ours are aluminum frames with the prefilter and the mesh material wrapped around the frames. Most of the other companies make theirs out of plastic and the material is just glued on the back.
  
• Ours are VERY tight and they make the sled look stock – unless of course you buy custom logos, then they look that much better!
  
• Most other companies don't stretch theirs, so you end up with bumps and bubbles in what you get. One company even just sends you the frame and the material, and you have to put them together.
  
• Our material is more durable and will last years and put up with the punishment that western boondocking brings. The other companies use a different outer material and it is prone to rips and tears with tree branches.
  
• Ours are rebuildable as long as the frames are usable. If you have a heck of a wreck and bend your vents up, most of the time, you can take out the rivets and pound the vent flat and reinstall. Of course, we will send you new rivets if this happens. You can even change colors if you change your sled design - for a very minimal fee.
  
• We are happy to work with our customers to design custom vents so they have what they need. We have 93 different vents, offering the largest range of venting available on the market. We make them for many sleds most companies don't.
  
• With our vents, you get what you need for YOUR sled. We make a LOT of vents for each sled, but we don’t tell you what you need by trying to sell you a pre-made kit. You know what you need for your sled, we don’t. You buy what you want, not what we think you need, and we will do package pricing, to help save you money and get you only what you need.
  
• I feel we offer the BESTcustomer service in the industry as we realize that without our great customers, we would not have made it to where we are today.
  
• We have been in business since 2004 and pride ourselves on the fact that we support an industry that supports us by giving back through donations to causes that support keeping our riding areas open.

I hope this is enough to help riders make an educated decision. Hopefully it is us, but if it’s not, we hope whatever you purchase works for you.

Thanks for reading!

THINK SNOW!!!

Tammy

 

[crew]

I went through way too many belts last year. Four in 1200 miles to be exact. Under-hood temps are no doubt very high and contribute to shortened belt life. Venting has a positive impact on the high temps but as several people have pointed out there are two problems here. One is that at low speeds we are counting on heat-driven convection. This is significantly reduced with problem #2. Two is that if you are riding in deep snow, most of the time the vents are completely covered in snow (even the after market ones).

So, I went down to Radio Shack and bought a $10 fan. Then I took that cr---y tool pouch off the clutch cover and mounted the fan in its stead. I made it so the hot air was FORCED away from the clutch and out the vents on the back of the hood and in front of my leg. This area stays the most snow free (but not on a really good day!). The result was that the inside temp stayed much lower and the vents stayed clear due to the forced air.

To further improve the under-hood temps, maybe forced air (i.e., a fan) and vents might be the best solution. It may be worth playing around with different variations to determine the best configuration in demanding conditions. I have temp loggers at work so I plan on testing some this winter...

 

[Oregonsledder]

Looks like you may have made up your mind, but I thought, as the owner of 2Cool, I would respond anyway.

We are friends with most of the other vent makers, and we feel that everyone makes a product that has its merits. They are all different prices, but very different products.

That said:

• Ours are aluminum frames with the prefilter and the mesh material wrapped around the frames.
  
• Ours are aluminum frames with the prefilter and the mesh material wrapped around the frames. Most of the other companies make theirs out of plastic and the material is just glued on the back.
  
• Ours are VERY tight and they make the sled look stock – unless of course you buy custom logos, then they look that much better!
  
• Most other companies don't stretch theirs, so you end up with bumps and bubbles in what you get. One company even just sends you the frame and the material, and you have to put them together.
  
• Our material is more durable and will last years and put up with the punishment that western boondocking brings. The other companies use a different outer material and it is prone to rips and tears with tree branches.
  
• Ours are rebuildable as long as the frames are usable. If you have a heck of a wreck and bend your vents up, most of the time, you can take out the rivets and pound the vent flat and reinstall. Of course, we will send you new rivets if this happens. You can even change colors if you change your sled design - for a very minimal fee.
  
• We are happy to work with our customers to design custom vents so they have what they need. We have 93 different vents, offering the largest range of venting available on the market. We make them for many sleds most companies don't.
  
• With our vents, you get what you need for YOUR sled. We make a LOT of vents for each sled, but we don’t tell you what you need by trying to sell you a pre-made kit. You know what you need for your sled, we don’t. You buy what you want, not what we think you need, and we will do package pricing, to help save you money and get you only what you need.
  
• I feel we offer the BESTcustomer service in the industry as we realize that without our great customers, we would not have made it to where we are today.
  
• We have been in business since 2004 and pride ourselves on the fact that we support an industry that supports us by giving back through donations to causes that support keeping our riding areas open.

I hope this is enough to help riders make an educated decision. Hopefully it is us, but if it’s not, we hope whatever you purchase works for you.

Thanks for reading!

THINK SNOW!!!

Tammy

Tammy, thank you for your post. I'm sure everything you have said is true, and for the average consumer, you make a great argument and it looks like a great product, that is why I used your product as the example of what I want on my sled. Over the years I have been able to make many things to enhance rigs, whether it is a motorcycle, truck, camper, boat, snowmobile... whatever. Sometimes it's worth my time and sometimes it's not. I posted my original post NOT to indicate that for most consumers your pricing seems high, but for me it might be. I hope you understand that I was not trying to make your company or product look bad... again thanks for the post.

 

[sled-fiend]

2cool

Looks like you may have made up your mind, but I thought, as the owner of 2Cool, I would respond anyway.

We are friends with most of the other vent makers, and we feel that everyone makes a product that has its merits. They are all different prices, but very different products.

That said:

• Ours are aluminum frames with the prefilter and the mesh material wrapped around the frames.
  
• Ours are aluminum frames with the prefilter and the mesh material wrapped around the frames. Most of the other companies make theirs out of plastic and the material is just glued on the back.
  
• Ours are VERY tight and they make the sled look stock – unless of course you buy custom logos, then they look that much better!
  
• Most other companies don't stretch theirs, so you end up with bumps and bubbles in what you get. One company even just sends you the frame and the material, and you have to put them together.
  
• Our material is more durable and will last years and put up with the punishment that western boondocking brings. The other companies use a different outer material and it is prone to rips and tears with tree branches.
  
• Ours are rebuildable as long as the frames are usable. If you have a heck of a wreck and bend your vents up, most of the time, you can take out the rivets and pound the vent flat and reinstall. Of course, we will send you new rivets if this happens. You can even change colors if you change your sled design - for a very minimal fee.
  
• We are happy to work with our customers to design custom vents so they have what they need. We have 93 different vents, offering the largest range of venting available on the market. We make them for many sleds most companies don't.
  
• With our vents, you get what you need for YOUR sled. We make a LOT of vents for each sled, but we don’t tell you what you need by trying to sell you a pre-made kit. You know what you need for your sled, we don’t. You buy what you want, not what we think you need, and we will do package pricing, to help save you money and get you only what you need.
  
• I feel we offer the BESTcustomer service in the industry as we realize that without our great customers, we would not have made it to where we are today.
  
• We have been in business since 2004 and pride ourselves on the fact that we support an industry that supports us by giving back through donations to causes that support keeping our riding areas open.

I hope this is enough to help riders make an educated decision. Hopefully it is us, but if it’s not, we hope whatever you purchase works for you.

Thanks for reading!

THINK SNOW!!!

Tammy

I'll agree, had there product on my last 5 sleds

 

[Norway]

So, I went down to Radio Shack and bought a $10 fan. Then I took that cr---y tool pouch off the clutch cover and mounted the fan in its stead. I made it so the hot air was FORCED away from the clutch and out the vents on the back of the hood and in front of my leg. This area stays the most snow free (but not on a really good day!). The result was that the inside temp stayed much lower and the vents stayed clear due to the forced air.

Good ideas. I would really apreciate some pictures!!

Rune

 

[Clarke673]

i like to just take the side panel off so the clutchs stay cool. the fine mist of powder does one hell of a job. Plus that, it keeps the sled looking new. no more scratches or tree sap. Slap em on around july after i make some runs through my pond and sell the sled.

 

[2fun4u]

Tammy, thank you for your post. I'm sure everything you have said is true, and for the average consumer, you make a great argument and it looks like a great product, that is why I used your product as the example of what I want on my sled. Over the years I have been able to make many things to enhance rigs, whether it is a motorcycle, truck, camper, boat, snowmobile... whatever. Sometimes it's worth my time and sometimes it's not. I posted my original post NOT to indicate that for most consumers your pricing seems high, but for me it might be. I hope you understand that I was not trying to make your company or product look bad... again thanks for the post.

I didn't get that from your original post at all! No worries! I just wanted to respond as this question comes up every year and we like to respond to everything if we can. I love that our industry is such that everyone can have an opinion, share it and have lots of options!

We started this business because we didn't want to pay for something we could build ourselves too! That is the beauty of free enterprise and a world in which people have SKILLS!

Tammy

 

[Oregonsledder]

I didn't get that from your original post at all! No worries! I just wanted to respond as this question comes up every year and we like to respond to everything if we can. I love that our industry is such that everyone can have an opinion, share it and have lots of options!

We started this business because we didn't want to pay for something we could build ourselves too! That is the beauty of free enterprise and a world in which people have SKILLS!

Tammy

Tammy... Relax, no "do it your selfer" will ever have any real impact on a solid company with a good product. As far as my last message in responce to your message.....You're welcome........

 

[suitcase]

Mtn. Horse Great thread!

Tammy I sure glad to see that you have the big center hood vents as well as all the others. Now I hope you can come up with a red mesh that will look right to match the red on the sleds.
I will be getting an order from you real soon. Your Vents take alot of abuse!!

 

[jgd]

Clutch temps on the Pro

According to the March 2011 issue of SnoWest where they compared the 800 Mtn sleds; the "Hot" clutch temperatures noted were drive 80 deg F and driven 82 deg F. I don't see those temps as being very hot by any means. I never felt like my clutches got very hot either, even after long extended pulls. Has anyone really experienced "high" clutch temps on their Pro? With regard to clutch temps only, I personally don't see much benefit to be derived from venting on the Pro.... IMO

 

[mountainhorse]

I have seen some sleds personally with hot clutch temps... Much depends on conditions, maintenance of the clutches and riding style.

Which is why I put up the long description in this thread.

I'm not sure what method that Harris used to check the clutch temps as it is not detailed in the article...nor how many different days/riders/conditions were taken a samples.

If you are checking this out for the first time...read the entire thread (not saying that jgd did/didn't)

 

[jgd]

Yes, I read through the thread. Your thoughts are well presented, well thought out and greatly appreciated. My comment only relates to clutch temps, as per my experience (Pro) and the referenced article.

Sure, I can see scenarios where the clutches could get hot; I just haven’t experienced it personally, hence my comments/question. My Mod in the same conditions that we typically ride in definitely needed venting and got it. Same for D8 and TD8’s in our group. The SkiDoo clutches were practically on fire. My current Pro was just fine.

I didn’t mean to insinuate that anyone with a Pro doesn’t need venting. There are many reasons to vent, including clutching, as outlined above… I just found it curious that my Pro clutches run cool. Thanks

I have seen some sleds personally with hot clutch temps... Much depends on conditions, maintenance of the clutches and riding style.

Which is why I put up the long description in this thread.

I'm not sure what method that Harris used to check the clutch temps as it is not detailed in the article...nor how many different days/riders/conditions were taken a samples.

If you are checking this out for the first time...read the entire thread (not saying that jgd did/didn't)

 

[mike taylor]

whos kit is this?

This venting is mine.
I have Made up eight pieces for the pro.
Footwell block offs.windshield. door panel. Hood.and knee vents.and lower nose panel
I can Also make one of kind vents.
Pm me for details
Thanks MIKE

 

[ak49er]

I am working on a "passive" yet powered cooling system completely independent of the OEM Chassis Electrical. It will include fans, vents and ducts. I don't have the time to produce massive units of these, but will offer instructions for the DIY.

On another note, using a contact measuring device will give you quantifiable results that a handheld IR "Gun" or even a Thermographic Camera (with an untrained opeator) can give.

Simply put, most the things we want to measure are shiny (clutches, sides of belts, etc.) You just can't get a good temperature reading from a highly reflective surface, you are getting a reflected temperature of something else. Too much emissivity. Spray some flat black paint on what you want to measure, or shoot for a "Dark Body" (think bolt recess, allen head, etc.

I am suspect of most "from-the-hip" readings taken with a handheld IR tool.

 

[Oregonsledder]

I am working on a "passive" yet powered cooling system completely independent of the OEM Chassis Electrical. It will include fans, vents and ducts. I don't have the time to produce massive units of these, but will offer instructions for the DIY.

On another note, using a contact measuring device will give you quantifiable results that a handheld IR "Gun" or even a Thermographic Camera (with an untrained opeator) can give.

Simply put, most the things we want to measure are shiny (clutches, sides of belts, etc.) You just can't get a good temperature reading from a highly reflective surface, you are getting a reflected temperature of something else. Too much emissivity. Spray some flat black paint on what you want to measure, or shoot for a "Dark Body" (think bolt recess, allen head, etc.

I am suspect of most "from-the-hip" readings taken with a handheld IR tool.

You probably know more about this topic than I do but.... I understand your point if absolute measurments are the goal. Wouldn't using a handheld infared device still give you an idea of temp changes?... and a "close enough " idea of the real temp, and hot spots?

 

[mountainhorse]

Good topic for this time of year.

Start from the first page if you are new to this thread.

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2579653&postcount=1








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[bubba94]

What about removing the stock can and getting a after market stinger for it, the stock can I would assume would radiate a lot of heat once hot. And what about the Blow Hole thing for moving air instead of adding vents. Just an idea