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on these speedwerx weights there is a threaded hole in the heel of the weight.... Can I/should I add weight here? I havent seen or heard anyone doing this but I wondered when i saw it

Arctic Cat weights have that for a set screw that keeps the weight centered on the pivot bolt.
 
I suspect there is something not right with your sled and I will leave it at that. Before you go bolting parts back on I would put it back to stock and figure it out.

I am getting 46-47 mph track speed with Carl's setup and it pulls like crazy. Tons of fun to ride, was just hoping to get rpm up a bit. My belts were lasting fine. Stock sled before stage 3 was 8200. I could be wrong, but doesnt really seem like something is wrong with the sled.
 
After 800 miles of 100% stock.... i'm still trying to get my sled to pull 60 weights up high. wish i could experiment with clutching but got gremlins the dealer can't figure out.

anyone got any ideas as to why my sled would have high idle with tps in spec?


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My guess is they are trusting the digital wrench which is a mistake. It is roughly the quality of a ten dollar meter from Wally World.

Also the setup starts with the fully closed throttle plates as a baseline set point. Most dealers just assume the factory set it correctly which IMO is too much trust in mass production performed by minimum wage morons.

If they / you follow the full and proper setup procedure that is posted here on SW, it is my belief it would fix your issue.

I don’t trust a dealer to uncrate my sled much less work on it. FWIW
 
My guess is they are trusting the digital wrench which is a mistake. It is roughly the quality of a ten dollar meter from Wally World.



Also the setup starts with the fully closed throttle plates as a baseline set point. Most dealers just assume the factory set it correctly which IMO is too much trust in mass production performed by minimum wage morons.



If they / you follow the full and proper setup procedure that is posted here on SW, it is my belief it would fix your issue.



I don’t trust a dealer to uncrate my sled much less work on it. FWIW



starting to consider that route. beginning to wonder why I bother with warranty anymore. dealer says they'd have to drop the tps out of spec to get the idle to normal. isn't that a red flag?

my frustrations might be fixed with an ascender after this sled.


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My guess is they are trusting the digital wrench which is a mistake. It is roughly the quality of a ten dollar meter from Wally World.



Also the setup starts with the fully closed throttle plates as a baseline set point. Most dealers just assume the factory set it correctly which IMO is too much trust in mass production performed by minimum wage morons.



If they / you follow the full and proper setup procedure that is posted here on SW, it is my belief it would fix your issue.



I don’t trust a dealer to uncrate my sled much less work on it. FWIW



starting to consider that route. beginning to wonder why I bother with warranty anymore. dealer says they'd have to drop the tps out of spec to get the idle to normal. isn't that a red flag?

my frustrations might be fixed with an ascender after this sled.


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Well fail again today.....snow was great with about 1.5 ft of fresh on top of good base. I removed the bully dog tune from sled and returned it back to stock mapping. Left all of Tonys clutching the same
L Series weights with 1.8 grams in the
110-290 primary
42-32
125-175 spring
Still felt extremely "slow" no pull at all. 8400rpm at 4k ft elevation. By the time i was at 7k ft i was only pulling 8150rpm. Track speed was meh at 37-40mph.
All these next changes are per Tony to try and make it work.
Swapped in 120-320 primary spring.....made it worse....8000rpm maybe 8100 when track lifted out of snow. Still felt very blah for
Went to my 42-34 cut of my helix and left primary unchanged. Very little change, maybe still worse yet, so i put the 110-290 spring back in. Gained rpm back to 81-8150, track speed still 40mph tops. Mayne pulled a little better but not much.
No matter how hard i worked the sled and got pipe hot just wouldnt go over that.
Final change was removing the tip weights and running them empty at 61 grams. 81-8200 and 8250 if track came out of snow. Seen 41 mph a few times but 37-40 was still the norm. It Revs fast and feels crisp, but is very boring. No pull at all. Feels a lot like riding a 600 honesty(powerband wise, not over all power). Worst part of the day was these clutches are not running cooler. Pulled a cord big time for the first time in awhile. Swapped spare on that had roughly 500mi and by the time i got to truck it pulled a cord too....
Clutches were cleaned and scotchbrited before riding today. Clutches were not black like belt was slipping.
All testing done at 7-8k ft elevation.
Wasted a lot of good riding today turning wrenches, and ruined two belts. Sucks.....Carls setup and Bully Dog tuner back on for tomorrow.
Tony is at his cabin, im waiting to hear back from him. But at this point, if anybody wants to buy a complete TRS clutch kit ill make ya a good deal!! Lol

Sled details again so you dont have to look back
2017 155 2.6
Stock gearing
Slp pipe set
Slp head with 6-8 domes
Resistor added today and bully dog removed

Seems odd to me that Tony’s sled(s) with the same setup is pulling 300 more RPM at an elevation 2000’ higher than you. Something is obviously wrong.
 
Not sure what to tell you guys....new motor mounts and torque arm mount, alignment good, deflection set, belt to sheave. 028, track tension set, tps set....pulls Carl's setup and 64s to 8250 sometimes 8300, and pulls 66s to 8100. Pulls like a freight train and has great track speed. Tried everything Tonys recommended so far. I guess tell me whats wrong with sled?
People ask for honest reviews then get butthurt when it doesnt fit there theories.
 
Tony obviously is happy with his setup and obviously others are happy too. Tony was willing to help and try to get this to work for me. But im just not happy with it. Not mad at Tony, and not mad at Rodgers. Nobody made me buy these parts. I bought them to try out, gave them a fair go, but just not for me.
 
Talked to Tony on the phone this morning. His only thought is the stage 3 at my lower elevation is just blowing through the shift curve so fast. Not sure. We are testing a stock Axys today with Tonys clutching today so we'll see what that does....
 
Talked to Tony on the phone this morning. His only thought is the stage 3 at my lower elevation is just blowing through the shift curve so fast. Not sure. We are testing a stock Axys today with Tonys clutching today so we'll see what that does....
Cool that you are making an effort! Did you ever try the "original" 46/32F helix? I am running this at sealevel and my stock Axys runs GOOD! so maybe not that far from your stage 3..?

Of they can make this concept work on turbo sleds, yours should be possible to.

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No i haven't tried the 46-32 helix. Dustin at Rodgers recommended a 46-34 helix and a 140-200 spring. Just another 150 bucks for a maybe....dont know what im going to do yet. Waiting to see how a stock sled does and go from there
 
No i haven't tried the 46-32 helix. Dustin at Rodgers recommended a 46-34 helix and a 140-200 spring. Just another 150 bucks for a maybe....dont know what im going to do yet. Waiting to see how a stock sled does and go from there
Sure, I see that. Not sure yet if I was just lucky or what. But it works quite good as is and no heat, so I'll keep chasing the sweet spot in this setup a while yet.

So far I have 1 helix, 2 secondary springs, 2 primary sprins, a re-shim, pro gears and 4 or 5 sets of Lightning weights into this.
It's sledding.. [emoji19]

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With bully dog tune reloaded and Carl's clutching back in, my sled ran awesome today. I put in another new secondary spring yesterday, not sure if the new one i put in at the beginning of season was bad or what. But in over the hood snow today she was pulling 83-8350. Sometimes 8400. Ran flawless all day.
Buddies stock sled with Tonys setup had same experience as i did with his stuff. 81-8200 very flat feeling and just felt like it wanted to spin and not go. His clutches were hotter than mine with Carl's setup.
Called Tony and gave him the info and he thinks we are running a to light of weight for 6-8k ft elevation. Stock sled needs to be loaded to 62.8 grams and my stage 3 is going to need closer to 65 grams. We are slipping in the primary and never loading motor. Monday im gonna put his stuff in the wifes stock sled loaded at 62.8 grams and see how that compares to my Carl's clutching.
 
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Stock secondary spring, and the Pro stock primary spring which is a 140-330 rate. Stock Axys is 120-320
 
I like this feedback. Figuring out why it doesn’t work at a lower elevation is good.
Where we can ride at 7000’ we are turning 8450-8550 with this setup. At 9700’ it turns 83-8350 and an unloaded track will turn 8400. 61g.
I truly believe the fly weights are to light.
dktraw, Ill loan you a set of 65.3 Lightning weights and a 46-32F/46-34F to try if your willing.
 
Tony,

How much does gearing come into play with this set up?

I have a 2016 Assault RMK which has a chaincase.
20/40 gears I think
155" 2.6 track
7 tooth drivers


Thanks
 
Tony, ill take you up on that offer to test the weights and helix. Ill give you a call here after a bit.
 
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