Teanaway crest/ Alpine Lakes Wilderness Boundary

[hurleyboarder21]

sorry ruffy

So post a link to a specific thread already... lol

sorry it seems i can't play fair and have been reprimanded
so if you would like we can move this to the "other site" where we can say what we want and have some fun!!

pile on and dish it out..i can take it

i find it all entertaining and fun to go back and forth torturing each other!!

just like the pre puzzy days on snowest

so for Dave, Dave and Dave it has been fun...at least for me

lookin forward to ridin with you all soon
Chris

 

[PowderMiner]

Yea Hurleyboarder is only 24, but he's fished all 24 years!

 

[Randonnee]

Thanks for the positive and helpful replies in regard to Wilderness Snowmobile Trespass! I realize that coming on this Forum in this manner makes me a big target. Many folks here seem to be just great. My experience is that I meet and chat with snowmobilers and have friendly interactions whenever I snomo or ski.

There is increasingly more attention to this problem by many of us. Information about Trespass is passed on to USFS very quickly. USFS has few Enforcement resources, but perhaps we will help them to get into the right places at the right time. Let's hope the problem goes away before snowmobilers lose much more.

 

[chumbilly1]

Whats wrong with the world?Too many crazies like this

This is crazy to me. Have some respect. Rando just threatened me in a pm. I will post if I can figure how. I would say this guy spent alot of time by his lonesome jerkin' his derkin to a geology book tryin to trap some poor little soft, furry, woodland creature so he could have some fun.

Oh yeh I heard that in negro creek....... Word.

That ot to do it.

 

[newtrout]

This is crazy to me. Have some respect. Rando just threatened me in a pm. I will post if I can figure how. I would say this guy spent alot of time by his lonesome jerkin' his derkin to a geology book tryin to trap some poor little soft, furry, woodland creature so he could have some fun.

Oh yeh I heard that in negro creek....... Word.

That ot to do it.

You're a funny dude. You complain that this guy threatened you, then you drop 'snitches get stitches'? You talk about respect, and then give bad post ratings to everyone who is against Wilderness riding?

How about showing a little respect to the rest of the snowmobile community and staying out of Wilderness? I'm sure you're threatening us about Negro Creek because you 'heard' that's the standard route into Stafford and Wilderness. I'm sure you've never actually done it, right? You wouldn't know about the riding in Hardscrabble, Ingalls or Fourth, right?

If you think it's fine to ride in Wilderness, join the discussion; explain why. Maybe you'll educate some of us and change some minds.

For me, his has nothing to do with the opinion of some skier (no offense Randonnee); nothing to do with whether Wilderness is right or wrong; nothing to do with whether or not we're doing any damage to the environment (you're never going to get snowmobiles excepted in the Wilderness Act). I could care less about any of those things. This is about keeping our riding areas open. This is no different than joining SAWS. People who ride in the Wilderness are increasing the chance of us losing more riding area. Trying to get them to stop is no different than giving $200 to SAWS.

I don't care about someone getting caught or fined for riding in Wilderness. That isn't my goal. I care about getting them to stop doing it. That's why I think pictures posted on this website will do much more good than pictures sent to the USFS. Neither is going to get anyone in trouble with the law, but posting them on Snowest will probably generate a little peer pressure, at least.

Flame on.

 

[chumbilly1]

different strokes for different folks

The last post was meant to be funny ya see. Negro creek wasn't always called negro creek, that is modern pc bs and I was making a pc racial joke or maybe it was stereotyping, I dont know. You see not all people in the great state of WA have cabins in the mnts and come over to play, some of us choose to live here. Im talking year round, rain or shine, good economy or bad. Some do this to enjoy this land as a big badass backyard to play in. Some feel that if they were brought up playin these areas no one has the right to tell them to stop. I knew an awesome guy when I was a kid who helped all of us get into offroad motorcycle riding and when we were big enough to go off the property and find our way around the upper wenatchee valley he told us "I want you boys to stop the first time the cops try to catch you on your bikes, and tell them your dad said they would have to catch you next time" I stopped once a couple years ago. It only took em 22 years to get that close so the 122$ orv on forestry land ticket was the cheapest admission ticket I ever did buy. I got to get off of here and go get sleds ready for our big ride up Scotty and Negro creeks this weekend.
PS snitches get stitches is a rhyme not a threat. I did not ID any of these cowards as snitches.

 

[newtrout]

The last post was meant to be funny ya see. Negro creek wasn't always called negro creek, that is modern pc bs and I was making a pc racial joke or maybe it was stereotyping, I dont know. You see not all people in the great state of WA have cabins in the mnts and come over to play, some of us choose to live here. Im talking year round, rain or shine, good economy or bad. Some do this to enjoy this land as a big badass backyard to play in. Some feel that if they were brought up playin these areas no one has the right to tell them to stop. I knew an awesome guy when I was a kid who helped all of us get into offroad motorcycle riding and when we were big enough to go off the property and find our way around the upper wenatchee valley he told us "I want you boys to stop the first time the cops try to catch you on your bikes, and tell them your dad said they would have to catch you next time" I stopped once a couple years ago. It only took em 22 years to get that close so the 122$ orv on forestry land ticket was the cheapest admission ticket I ever did buy. I got to get off of here and go get sleds ready for our big ride up Scotty and Negro creeks this weekend.
PS snitches get stitches is a rhyme not a threat. I did not ID any of these cowards as snitches.

Well, that was better than your first post. At least you gave some reasons for your beliefs. You're right. Different strokes for different folks.

I've been playing in the Teanaway since I was a kid, too; on foot, on sleds, and on my KTM. I, too, live in the area, and consider it my backyard. I've set foot on most of the peaks in the Teanaway.

You may have grown up playing in these areas, but the Alpine Lakes Wilderness was created in '76. You're the same age as me. You were 1 or 2 years old at the time. It was just as illegal then as it is now. I don't really see why you would feel 'grandfathered' in to riding sleds in there. I can understand how somebody in their 50s or 60s would feel that way, but they weren't riding sleds in there in '75; nobody was.

Have fun this weekend. Hope that D8 doesn't break down in the Wilderness....

 

[Uller]

I'm all for reporting those who violate laws. I see someone break into a store or driving druk, I'm calling the law. I see someone shooting ducks from a powerred boat, I'm calling WDFW. I see someone tracking up the wilderness, I'm calling USFS. I don't want to see A-holes of any recreation get away with making the rest of us look bad.

Tattle Tail!

This seems to be a very similar line of thinking to what the Germans pushed in order to rat out all of the Jewish folk during WWII. (Before you get all pissed just think about that one more time.)

How about you mind your own business and just worry about yourself.

People like you (or at least those that think like you) just piss me off.

Edit: Wapow, your missing the point.... (Don't really think that you thought about it a second time) I'm not comparing the plight of snowmobilers to that of the Jews (don't even want to go there). What my comparison was is a comparison of ideaology.

During that time, it was German law to Kill jews (just wrong) and they educated the children of Jews and other Germans to turn in the Jews who were hiding (just wrong). Are we in the US now a society that we just turn in everyone that we don't agree with. Whistleblowers are now rewarded? Unjust claims of rape and harassment? The list goes on.

What about the rights of the "other" group? Wait, we have already determined in our society that, if you can create a majority, you can impose your beliefs on the minority and the minority just has to grin and bear it. I don't think so! Rosa Parks showed us all that we should act how we believe even though we might be in the minority AND it might be ILLEGAL too.

I really disagree with wilderness. I really disagree with others who "think" that they know more than I do and that "I" should do what they think.

Randonee wants solitude and to not have to cross over snowmobile "trenches". Interestingly, I want the same thing. Why is it that he is the only one who LEGALLY gets to have that in a large part of the Alpine in this state or the nation for that matter?

Well, because of what I have learned from Randonee and other individuals that like the concept of Wilderness, that it is acceptable to make others act how you would like them to and turn them in if they don't, or even worse. (Maybe a large part of you should do some digging on dirtbike forums for all the traps/devices the enviro's are putting up along trails to hurt/deter dirt bikers. Pits lined with stakes sticking up and covered by branches. Clothes line devices to catch riders necks (A kid was killed riding with his dad by one of these in England). The only reason we as snowmobilers don't have to deal with this is because we don't have set trails and/or they can't get access.) Look Here: http://www.skeptictank.org/ecowar/mbike.htm

That right there tells me that I do have the right to negatively impact others even though I don't know them. Here, all my life I have been trying to be nice to others. To let them do, act, feel, believe, etc. what they want as long as it dosn't affect me. I have been wrong all along? I should just go around imposing my views on anyone I see either through direct or indirect means?

Someone else mentioned being grandfathered in. Really? Just because I'm not 50 or 60 I don't have the right to go where others have gone before? Just a bunch of BS..............

 

[Wapow]

This seems to be a very similar line of thinking to what the Germans pushed in order to rat out all of the Jewish folk during WWII. (Before you get all pissed just think about that one more time.

I'm not down with calling the FS on sledders either, mostly because I think we need to police ourselves. And nobody loves a snitch, especially not me, But, comparing sledders who intentionally break the law to the innocent jews in WWII is retarded (no matter how many times I think about it). There's a name for people who know the law but think it doesn't apply to them: Criminals. Granted, the crime is relatively minor in this case, but it's not victimless. If we lose our access PRIVILEGES because of a few selfish a-holes, then the rest of us are going to be victims.

 

[hurleyboarder21]

very good post wapow !!

I'm not down with calling the FS on sledders either, mostly because I think we need to police ourselves. And nobody loves a snitch, especially not me, But, comparing sledders who intentionally break the law to the innocent jews in WWII is retarded (no matter how many times I think about it). There's a name for people who know the law but think it doesn't apply to them: Criminals. Granted, the crime is relatively minor in this case, but it's not victimless. If we lose our access PRIVILEGES because of a few selfish a-holes, then the rest of us are going to be victims.
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[hurleyboarder21]

wow

People like you (or at least those that think like you) just piss me off.

so do people who only give achit about themselves

 

[Randonnee]

Thanks for all of the mature and logical discussion, the rest of it well... I am out of here. Thanks to the Moderator for letting me express concerns!

I had a great day today Volunteering my time and labor to USFS in marking Boundaries. I met and talked to some snowmobilers, talked about all of this, as always they were great folks and we look forward to running into each other again.

This internet thing is the same everywhere- people fling crap when they have no better argument, change that subject, attack the poster, whine when they get it thrown back at them. It was especially interesting to have crap flung on a PM

Aside from that, I will continue along with many in trying to correct the problem of snowmobile Wilderness trespass and Closure Violation.

 

[sunbather1969]

dude

we get your point go do some skiing

 

[TooDeepTodd]

WOW...REALLY?

Two threads on this topic now huh? Doesn't anybody really get that no matter which side of this issue you are on or even straight down the middle for both...your legislature doesn't give a chit about the wilderness area...the boundary line...mechanized or otherwise. They want to get re-elected and neither of our groups packs enough weight (we should start a savings and loan CEO's forum) to effect their time spent in Olympia. You will notice that I only have one post in each of these threads, the reason being that I don't have time in my life to worry about pretending to be somebody I'm not or worryabout what anyone else thinks. I believe in both sides of this issue and don't give a chit what anyone else thinks. Maybe we should spend more time attaching the ski racks to our sleds and less time typing

 

[hurleyboarder21]

finished

post # 75

thanks everyone especially rmk2112

 

[yammadog]

post # 75

thanks everyone especially rmk2112

Does that mean I can't see my post? #76....

too bad since chumbilly and his bad rating won't be able to see it either. Or more like chumpbilly....lame.....

Break the law, get punished. doesn't matter what side you're on. Let's just hope rodondee speaks up as much to keep public lands open to the public and not just special people.....

 

[smallhill]

Dirtbikes

Well, that was better than your first post. At least you gave some reasons for your beliefs. You're right. Different strokes for different folks.

I've been playing in the Teanaway since I was a kid, too; on foot, on sleds, and on my KTM. I, too, live in the area, and consider it my backyard. I've set foot on most of the peaks in the Teanaway.

You may have grown up playing in these areas, but the Alpine Lakes Wilderness was created in '76. You're the same age as me. You were 1 or 2 years old at the time. It was just as illegal then as it is now. I don't really see why you would feel 'grandfathered' in to riding sleds in there. I can understand how somebody in their 50s or 60s would feel that way, but they weren't riding sleds in there in '75; nobody was.

Have fun this weekend. Hope that D8 doesn't break down in the Wilderness....

No we wern`t there on sleds, but I have many fond memories being there on my Hodaka 90,

 

[smallhill]

Responce

Just tried to post, site says I have to give them money? Is this a forum to exspece ideals or a money generator

 

[Van Epps]

Just because I'm not 50 or 60 I don't have the right to go where others have gone before? Just a bunch of BS..............

Now we are getting to the point!