Teanaway crest/ Alpine Lakes Wilderness Boundary

[skis_n_skid]

Greetings,
For several years now several of us have been observing, photographing, documenting and reporting snowmobile trespass (and License numbers) into the Alpine Lakes Wilderness. To my knowledge increased USFS funding for Enforcement has occurred, and I am told by Officials that Citations have been issued.

Since you like taking pictures and reporting people, do you also take pictures and report the people who park where they aren't supposed to be?

 

[ARMAGEDDON]

This reply is going out to ARMEGEDON....What is your name guy? If you truly say that your not usually out to post peoples names then go ahead and keep going and post yours to be fair...? Do you ride in that area often? What's your sled look like? And to the ppl who started the thread and are feeding off of it, you all said that you are not here to start fuss or problems... This is SNOWEST! A snowmobile site, stay on your ski sites then you can feed off of the other skiers that are mad about this so called issue.

Hey Mike,
Maybe you should worry a little more about trespassing in the wilderness than who I am. No one is coming on this site and stirring up trouble. The trouble has been caused by snowmobilers riding in wilderness and other non-motorized areas. Whether you like it or not, there are currently areas where it is against the law to snowmobile. Anyone that enters one of those areas on a snowmobile is a criminal that is giving a black eye to all other sledders. If you don't like that then try and get the law changed. Until then keep yourself and your riding buddies out of there!

 

[Wapow]

I know that you are not legal to use mechanized modes of transpo in the "Wilderness areas". Is it mechanized to ski? I do know I cannot ride my mountainbike in there. I was riding a trail that went into the Wilderness boundries, and had to turn back because I was on a bicycle. How is that differant than skiing? Not trying to start somthing stupid. Just curious? I totally agree on preservation. I also agree that some have taken it too far. I support non-motorized areas. As long as there are motorized areas, and enough for all to enjoy the outdoors in the way they choose. As long as they are respectful of others, and the land. This is America isn't it? We need to teach our younger generations a little respect, and pride! We as Americans are letting the values of our fathers and grandfathers slip away. Good Luck getting through to some, they just don't get it! Never will. -00's

Let's try to focus on the issue raised by Rando. Sledders are intentionally riding in the wilderness area and non-sledders are noticing and complaining about it to the authorities. Whether or not you agree with the wilderness rules, the fact remains that a small portion of OUR community is intentionally violating the law, and thereby potentially creating a problem for the rest of us. I don't agree with turning folks in to the FS, but I do think that those of us who love sledding in the vicinity of the wilderness need to speak up to the offenders.

 

[Wapow]

Newtrout, help me out on this
That stretch in particular, between Stafford and Beverly, seems to get regular snowmobile traffic.

As far as I know you can sled stafford, stand up and beverly creek areas except for the Beverly-Bean closure and Jungle creek. Am I wrong???

Thanks

There's also a closure around Iron Creek, which is off the same road as Safford/Standup (9703 on my topo). The Teanaway snopark .pdf shows it pretty well: http://www.parks.wa.gov/winter/trails/mapdownloads/motorized/Teanaway.pdf

 

[Snowlover]

The 29 pines map actually should list Stafford creek instead of Standup creek. Standup is the first creek going north, then stafford, then miller. The map shows the non-motorized area starting near the end of the road where Miller creek comes in.

What exactly does Voluntary non-motorized mean?

 

[Wapow]

The 29 pines map actually should list Stafford creek instead of Standup creek. Standup is the first creek going north, then stafford, then miller. The map shows the non-motorized area starting near the end of the road where Miller creek comes in.

What exactly does Voluntary non-motorized mean?

My understanding is that the snomo groups cut a deal with the FS to make the closures "voluntary", to prevent them from initiating procedures to formally close those areas to sledding. Those areas are popular with hikers and skiers because they are close to the plowed road access points and have good skiing/snowshoeing terrain. Seems fair to me, given how much other terrain is available for sledding up there. But I'm sure plenty of others will disagree.

 

[Snowlover]

That is some steep and brushy areas that I really have no interest in sledding. I just wondered what brought about the "voluntary' status.

Thanks for the input.

 

[diamonddave]

You don't really need pictures to find out who is riding that area.
Shaun Brender and his riding buddies ride up there on a regular basis.
I normally wouldn't throw out a name like that but those guys are going to cause us way too much grief if they keep it up!

Uncalled for.

 

[nwm8]

AHHHH what a great day! enjoy it while you can cause it wont last. Folks like randonnee will prob win an all will be shut down. There is simply too many people in western wa to share these parts anymore. I respect the signs and law but it's snow, wheres the harm?(sorry i asked) I will enjoy and follow the rulers for a few more years and head on to a less civilized (greenie) area. Sorry for the poor pitiful honest truth, hope i'm wrong.

 

[ARMAGEDDON]

diamonddave,

Brender has been spoken to about his actions on numerous occasions and he says that the forest service can go f themselves. I don't know about you but I truely enjoy sledding. Anyone that is so blatant about violating closed areas deserves anything that comes their way.

Now tell me why you think throwing his name out there is uncalled for?

 

[2zeros]

Energy. Linear motion? Schmotion, ocean. Whatever!

A bicycle provides a mechanical advantage and is a machine in that it takes rotary motion and converts it into linear motion. IE, your feet go round and round and your bike goes forward. Ski's are similar to snowshoes. The person is providing the linear motion, while the ski's or snowshoes are providing a benefit that is not changing the direction or application of the force applied.

Wiki definition


I am guessing if you had a bicycle but only used it to support your weight and used your feet on the ground for movement that you would be fine? Kind of Flinstones style? Yabadabadoo....

I hear and understand what you are saying. Does it really make a differace? I think skis are mechanical. I feel that all non motorized should be all the same. No, snomobilers should not be there. But, until you catch them and make them pay the consequences. Nothing will change! Period. My point is, some people you just cant get through to! It doesnt matter if we are talking about whether or not they should be there. Or who and what can be there. Or right from wrong. Just take a look around, bafoonery is everywhere. You either care or you dont! -Enjoy.............00's

 

[diamonddave]

diamonddave,

Brender has been spoken to about his actions on numerous occasions and he says that the forest service can go f themselves. I don't know about you but I truely enjoy sledding. Anyone that is so blatant about violating closed areas deserves anything that comes their way.

Now tell me why you think throwing his name out there is uncalled for?

HEARSAY.

 

[ruffryder]

I hear and understand what you are saying. Does it really make a differace?

I does in the eyes of the law..

I think skis are mechanical.

good for you... ha ha. I don't disagree with your points, but it is what it is...

 

[ARMAGEDDON]

HEARSAY.

Not hearsay at all.
Directly from Shauns mouth to my ears!

 

[diamonddave]

Not hearsay at all.
Directly from Shauns mouth to my ears!

Exactly.

 

[ARMAGEDDON]

Exactly.

If you would really like to get technical about it we can most certainly go there.

You are correct in that you hearing this information from me would most certainly be considered hearsay. You would be unable to testify in person or via a deposition. Any attemp of this would be objected to and readily sustained by any sitting judge.

Me hearing this information directly from Mr. Brender would be considered a confession.

What I was told by Mr. Brender is legally worthy of a deposition as well as sworn testimony to a judge and or jury.

Have a nice day!

 

[ruffryder]

Armageddon, I like you.. Why did you move from Fall City? LMAO!!

 

[newtrout]

Rode the Teanaway today. We were in a spot where you have a view of the area in question. Just like most nice sunny days, there was a nice fresh set of tracks from this morning coming out of the Wilderness. Two sleds, in from the Blewett side and back out the same way; Scotty Creek, I'm sure.

There were no tracks up Longs Pass, Ingalls Pass, etc; so much legal riding area with no tracks. Why do it? Oh, right; because the rules clearly weren't meant for you two fellas...

Conditions were far from stellar. The road is starting to melt out above 29 pines. Snow was rock hard below 5500 feet; rock hard above 5500 feet too, unless you were on a north facing slope. It warmed up enough in the afternoon that I didn't need scratchers, but that was about it. Creeks are opening up in Esmerelda Basin. Strange year...

 

[harf69]

wow i guess this is what the world has come to tell on thy neighbor turn in your friends very interesting we are losing more and more ground every year i say shoot yourself or someone you know or everyone in this sport in the foot so that we will only beable to use a sled for search and rescue because because they are working really hard to make this the new sledding shirt

 

[newtrout]

wow i guess this is what the world has come to tell on thy neighbor turn in your friends very interesting we are losing more and more ground every year i say shoot yourself or someone you know or everyone in this sport in the foot so that we will only beable to use a sled for search and rescue because because they are working really hard to make this the new sledding shirt

LOL. Damn that irony is thick.

You're complaining about areas getting shut down, and defending the guys who are riding in Wilderness?

Tell me which is more likely to keep additional areas from getting shut down: (1) policing ourselves (2) riding in Wilderness because we really don't give a damn about anything other our own fun at that particular moment.

The whole reason I even care about this issue is because I don't want to lose more riding areas. If you want to do some good, join SAWS, write your congressman, but don't pretend like riding in the Wilderness is somehow going to help our cause.