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Survival in the Mountains

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Anyone ever tried to start a fire with a gas soaked cotton (even a little tshirt, or peice of sock), packed in some dry kindle, and using the spark plug laying on the cylinder head, to ignite it? Saw someone do that. Seemed to work. Probably burn yourself, but it'd be worth a little second degree, to stay warm.

With spare gas, anyone can get a fire going. Just be careful. Luckily, were we ride, there's lots of stuff to burn. Bettles made sure of that.
 
Cache / BBQ

We were sitting around last year talking about having a BBQ pre-placed in a central location of our favorite backcountry area. Later on in the spring when we were sitting on the border of the Wilderness boundary frequented by skiers, we saw them stop and untie a pack and eat lunch. We asked them what it was they told us that it was a cache with firewood and extra equipment like a base camp. They were removing it for the spring, hmm?! They take extra, heavy, gear they don’t want to pack in every trip earlier in the year.

We are thinking about getting a small BBQ/stove and filling it with: More sophisticated first aid kit, come-along, 2 x100' rope, 2 micro sleeping bags, maybe tent, hatchet, small stove and fuel, extra batteries, dried food, fire starter, ect... Also going up during hunting season before the snow and stashing some firewood.

This does not replace the basic supplies on our sleds and in our backpacks. It just is a way to have some convenience, in an area difficult to get in or out, for the good times and a little insurance for the unexpected. Also let the other riding buddies, wives, and friends know about it for a central search area, give GPS location.

Getting lost sucks:
My wife and I got only slightly misdirected one hunting season in the snow on “a lets just go a short distance more, we don’t need any extra cause we’ll be back soon” and me saying “that looks like a good place for a deer, just a little further”. I was 90% sure of where I was but as it got dark, I was having a hard time finding any recognizable landmarks, the snow covered our tracks, and a previous injury was slowing her down, I was near panic and almost started to tear-up, in joy, when I hit the road about ¼ mile to our car!
Another time I was at high hunt relying only on an old GPS while hunting finger ridges when the GPS crapped out. After hiking in the direction I thought I needed to go; for what felt like forever, I panicked, everything looked the same, I was sure I was about 4 miles to the north, about dark, started looking for shelter, under logs, to stay the night when my buddy said “what you doing, looking for a places to sh**?” I turned and about 50’ below me he was standing on the main logging road, 100 yards from our camp!

My riding buddy and I do a lot of exploring; I research aerial photos (Google earth, your county or fish and wildlife web pages might have interactive mapping with aerial photo layers and topomaps), topomaps, take maps, a GPS (batteries) as well as a good compass (just in case), and check our location at stops. Knowing where you are and orienting your next riding area from a known point are important to avoid that panic that makes you do stupid things. And if you get lost, even a little bit, admit it figure a way to calm down and make a plan for reorienting yourself and not getting more lost. (like driving back and forth and around your old tracks.

Two personal investments this year for me (before the sled) better boots (dry) and a SPOT.
 
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PowderMiner - Great ideas you have! Glad to hear you made it out of all your sticky situations. On a more serious note though, in your drawing, is the guy naked and have huge feet or is he naked with boots on? ;):beer;
 
I was going to draw an entire suit, but the graphic was already dorky enough!
Also shows the importance of having something to eat or you'll end up a stick eunuch!
 
Good post. One of the things I have always carried is Tampons and the super thick Pads, both work great for fire starter and both work excellent if first aid situations, nothing soaks up blood better. Also remember that with a small stick with the end soaked in gas you can start it on fire using spark from a pulled plug. You are never without fire as long as you have your sled (this does not necessarily mean you need to set your sled on fire)
 
one thing i have not seen mentioned and should be seriously considered is a signal flare gun they don't really take up that much space and can be bought online or a marine dealer
 
one thing i have not seen mentioned and should be seriously considered is a signal flare gun they don't really take up that much space and can be bought online or a marine dealer

They start emergency fires REALLY easily too. They burn at about 3000 degrees.
 
Usefulness of GPS

I have a GPS (Garmin Rhino) and will start riding this winter after not riding for about 20 years. Has anyone used a GPS to find their way out in a storm? Or is it even practical to try to use one in a storm? I don't want to be over confident just because I have one to find it is not much use in a heavy storm. Any thoughts and suggestions on GPS's?
 
Great forum you guys have here along with a great thread going here...

Tons of awesome ideas you guys have and this thread is probably gonna save somebody's life one night or at least make it more comfortable.

One thing I do is, if I have certain things that are for an overnight stay, I use my vacuum packer and build a couple night packs. I usually double bag everything just incase. It keeps everything dry, fresh, and in order(saves space in your packs). If you know its game on, just cut them open and get at it...
 
A good GPS is worth it, extra batteries are a must also and keep the warm in an inner pocket. Learn your area that you ride in well. It doesn't take much to get lost(blowing snow, etc.)but know your landmarks, tree patches, etc can get you home. Hatchet, lighter or other fire starter, food and water will get you through the night.
 
if you are worried about snow melt affecting your fire while it's still a baby, pop the blade off yoru shovel handle and get it started on that.

any soup bulion is good as it is salty and will help you retain water.

Hoping to do an overnight this winter in MN. Might be a snowest deal, or it might just be me...either way should learn some stuff.
 
This thread has a lot of great info in it. I have one thing to add about having your GPS mounted to your sled. I wrecked my sled into a couple trees two years ago and my GPS was thrown from the sled. I was very lucky to find the GPS. I was not on the sled when it hit the trees, so I wasn't hurt; however I was riding alone. Obviously, don't ride alone either. The Search and Rescue guys that came and got me, did so with the coordinates that I called into my wife after I hiked for 4 hours to get a cell signal(thank you snow shoes). The one thing that they told me to add to my pack, was road flares. Thank you Cache County Utah, Search and Rescue!
 
A couple of other items the Wife and I carry are Snow Shoes, they become very handy if you need to do any walking on fresh powder. We also carry revolvers with extra ammo, good for many things.
 
if you are worried about snow melt affecting your fire while it's still a baby, pop the blade off yoru shovel handle and get it started on that.

A few years ago a guy I worked with volunteered to pull an all-nighter to watch a trap to make sure the critter inside didn't get out. He found someone's aluminum blade shovel on the trail on the way in, and decided to use it to get his fire started. He said he got quite the shock when the thing started melting just after his fire took off :D and the owner of the shovel wasn't too proud either :eek:
Moral of the story- once the fire is started I'd get it off the shovel ASAP unless you want a new shovel anyways.
 
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