Christopher - are you just going to have your insurance company handle this? I'm sure you have full coverage on all your sleds, they might even total out your sled with the tunnel being bent!! Sorry to hear about your bad luck
Summit 850: Ratchet, Slap, Rocks and Carnage!!
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Mountain_Man
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Have you considered switching to a belt drive? This might be a good time to do it.
I have a lot of respect for you that you come out and say this. The typical forum person (which I know you aren't) would come out and blame the manufacturer saying they are poorly built and whatever else excuse they could hurl out there. These are mountain sleds made to be as light as possible ridden in extreme terrain. If you want want to go thrash off rocks get a heavy duty utility sled. My experience has been the opposite of yours. I absolutely thrash my sleds. I send them down the mountain without a blink of an eye. I ride the most extreme terrain I can find and I don't care about wrecking my sleds. It's the sole reason I run 2 identical sleds is so I always have a back up. To top that off I do very little maintenance. I don't pay attention to any of this stuff Norona says we should be doing. I did rip all the foam out along with the felt just to help lighten my sleds but I don't check belt deflection or do anything else with the clutches for that matter. I have yet to go through a belt and both my sleds have about 300 hard backcountry miles and I never did any kind of break in for my belts or even the sleds for that matter. I drop my sleds off at my dealer periodically for them to to go through but that's about all the love my sleds get. I am going into my 5th season on Ski Doo on my 7th and 8th sled and I have yet to have anything repaired on anyone of my sleds that was a manufacturer failure or warranty issue besides grip heaters. I can't say they are as tough as a Yamaha because I have no experience with them but I would say you can ask anyone on this forum that has ridden with me and they will vouch that I thrash on my sleds more than anyone they know. I'd say with my truck record they are tough sleds. Most the guys I ride with ride Polaris and they don't put nearly the miles I do and I see way more problems. Not to mention they actually maintain and take care of their sleds. Chris it sounds like you got about the rawest deal from Mother Nature you could get but I don't think anyone can be pointing a finger at Ski Doo for this one...
no matter which logo you run on front of the machine, these sleds are not rockproof.
Christopher is handling this way better than i would!
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Christopher is handling this way better than i would!
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$1,000 deductable.Christopher - are you just going to have your insurance company handle this? I'm sure you have full coverage on all your sleds, they might even total out your sled with the tunnel being bent!! Sorry to hear about your bad luck
After that I will just deal with what will probably be a spike in my premiums..
Yup
That came up in discussion at the shop this morning.
Its my own damn fault!
I got no one to blame but me.
I was just too dang eager to get out and PLAY and should have taken my time and WAITED for the snow to build up.
Live and Learn I suppose.
Chances are it won't happen a second time as I am just not wealthy enough to let it happen again!
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Drewd
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he he he
Ya, that one will just BUFF OUT eh?
I've never had a claim on my ATVs or Sleds yet. Please let us know who your insurance company is and how they treat you. Would like to know how bad they jack up your premiums. I have Progressive for my Fifth wheel RV, ATVS, and sleds. They did screw me over a bit on 14k in damages to my fifth wheel caused by a tree strike leaving me with 8k out of pocket to fix it correctly. Hope your insurance treats you better.
Thanks in advance!
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Its my own damn fault!
I got no one to blame but me.
I was just too dang eager to get out and PLAY and should have taken my time and WAITED for the snow to build up.
Live and Learn I suppose.
Chances are it won't happen a second time as I am just not wealthy enough to let it happen again!
This is why my axys is sitting in shop, torn apart, and waiting for boost. Just not that excited about the snow here yet. The 2 times I went, I took my wife's 850 out. Wouldn't want to wreck my sled.
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I can only imagine that these sleds are going to be next to impossible to get insurance for next year with all the carnage.... it seems to be getting really excessive if you start reading all the info on the web... you can bet there are a ton of insurance claims...sucks for sure...they sure look good...but there seems to be a major design flaw of some sort, way more breakage stories than the die hard doo guys want to admit..hopefully they get the ch*t figured out.. I'm just glad I didn't buy one. I'll wait a year or two...
Sorry to hear about the carnage. Early season sledding can be devastating. A skid plate will help, but resisting the urge to enjoy the bottomless/baseless powder can be tough. But after suffering some of the same issues you have, I have learned to not venture off the train early in the season unless I really know the area. And even then you still take the chance of hitting that stump/rock that is hidden by a smooth surface. I hope they get fixed soon because the snow in SE Idaho is stacking up.
Unfortunately Chris, the sled is weak. Very weak. Doo will have a fix soon. I know of 4 850s, personally, with cracked bulkheads. All with different impacts. Some hard and some like mine. A clip. Pics show proof. I made a vid too, if someone else wants to post.
Pics show no impact whatsoever. 15kph rock clip. No over bars, no dead stop. Witnesses all were surprised at damage.
I grind down carbides before first ride. I think the tie rods are assisting in the damage. Take them out, folks. It's not the answer, but it may help.
See damage below:
I've hit plenty of things. Most, far harder than this. Have never taken out a bulkhead. A arm, yes. Shocks, yes. Hell I've cleaned off a whole side.... No bulkhead damage.
Sorry you're going through this Chris but you're not alone. Word on the street, fix is on its way, and doo will be stepping up for us! I am hopeful.
Best of luck to everyone!
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Pics show no impact whatsoever. 15kph rock clip. No over bars, no dead stop. Witnesses all were surprised at damage.
I grind down carbides before first ride. I think the tie rods are assisting in the damage. Take them out, folks. It's not the answer, but it may help.
See damage below:
I've hit plenty of things. Most, far harder than this. Have never taken out a bulkhead. A arm, yes. Shocks, yes. Hell I've cleaned off a whole side.... No bulkhead damage.
Sorry you're going through this Chris but you're not alone. Word on the street, fix is on its way, and doo will be stepping up for us! I am hopeful.
Best of luck to everyone!
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That depends...
To my eyes that is plain and simply cheap brittle cast. Agreed taking it quite well and we all know the consequences of Early season riding but I've been working with metal of all forms for nearly 35 years and again what I clearly see is cheap brittle cast and for a bulkhead is simply too darn thin. There's point to everything in which you have to draw a line between light weight and or reliability.
The chain case issue is simply a mater of doo not installing the protectors that the XM had in that area. Whats the deal with that trying to save a 1/4 pound or less and we end up taking out chain cases?? Was swapping out with a friends 850 and he runs stock skis I have the 8" sly dogs on. The stock skis just submerge in powder making the sled a bit easier to turn but also run at least 6-12 inches below the surface in a hard carving turn.
that is exposure right there. The sled turns so easy anyway I rather keep the frond end up to avoid carnage. C&A and Sly dog both make great 8" skis that keep the skis from searching for landmines.
That said as soon as there is a good brace kit available I will get on too.
that is exposure right there. The sled turns so easy anyway I rather keep the frond end up to avoid carnage. C&A and Sly dog both make great 8" skis that keep the skis from searching for landmines.That said as soon as there is a good brace kit available I will get on too.
Can you elaborate on this?
Christopher - are you just going to have your insurance company handle this? I'm sure you have full coverage on all your sleds, they might even total out your sled with the tunnel being bent!! Sorry to hear about your bad luck
Talked with a friend the other day and he told me that who he has insurance with, IF the tunnel is bent the insurance company will total it. Hopefully not the same company as you have Chris.
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