Snowmachiners defy dangers to recover body of buried buddy

[coptzeer]

this makes me so mad,,,, how do you people know the path they took, the route thay traveled. if i knew where my buddy was, and knew i could get to him in a relatively safe manner.....because i know the places i ride like the back of my hand. just because the state police or sar look at a map and decide its to dangerous to be out there..does the person making the call know the area that well? or are thay making that desicion for the safty of the masses that might go look for him
if we all listened when it was said it could not be done! what else would we not have done, the moon landing, or maybe the first thirteen colonies of this great country, enough from me
my heart goes out to the familys and to the do'ers...please keep doing it i may be next!

 

[MARCUSO]

Situation varies I guess.

No need for more news reports.

I think the want to get your buddy out is strong. Stronger than some common sense.
It is a noble thing to do to recover a bud's body, (hopefully I never have to do it)

BUT

The people who VOLUNTEER their services (most of them are volunteers) to help out and risk their lives to get a body out... let them do their UNSELFISH job.

To overrule the reccomendations of the avalanche reports, the people who study this for their livelyhood, is wrong..

I rely on these reports now to determine my next destinaton of riding.

To make them uncredible, kinda makes the system shut to a halt... LISTEN TO THEM! They may save your life in the future,,,

It is a hard subject, I know if I was in an area as bad as it is being stated, I would definitely think twice... some runouts along the trail can
"smack you into the trees.'' it is easy./

 

[00buck]

100% agree!!! sounds like they were great friends.. DID WHAT THEY FELT THEY HAD TO DO FOR A FRIEND AND HIS FAMILY!!

safe or unsafe, i think they deserve some commendation!

x2 to familiy and friends

 

[mOdD]

My good buddys mean the world to me. If anything like that happened I would be out in a heartbeat...wouldn't matter how dangerous it is to me.

 

[plumnuts]

just like the guys and gals in Iraq.. you don't leave anyone behind..

 

[doors4u]

There are some very strong opinions here. The only thing that comes to mind is a mother whos son is burried in the mountains. Put yourself in her shoes. I think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than any of us will ever know. These friends were not trying to ignore the SAR's heed to stay out of the back country. I'm sure they took this into account. Life is all about risks. You have to weigh the risk with the outcome. Some think it is wise to wait. To these men it was more important to bring their friend home. So please be careful when you decide to pass judgement on someone.

 

[mtn_extreme]

Meaning no dis-respect to the lost souls, or to the friends. The friends recovery was the wrong thing to do under the conditions. Doing this put themselves at risk of death and possibly leaving their children fatherless, their family's without someone to support them, and many others who love them to experience great grief at the lose of someone they love. Fortunatly, this was not the case but certainly could have been and then how would you all feel about it if more were lost?
I think the point trying to be made here is not what took place, as it is done, but what to do in the future. Do we want to encourage this kind of activity to happen again? My bet is that even the families of the lost souls will say that it is not worth the risk when only another 24/48 hrs later will do.

Just my HUMBLE opinion!

MX

 

[AKboondocker]

I really dont think anyone not involved directly in this scenario has any right to say whether thier actions were "right" or "wrong." Ill tell you this, if it were my buddy or brother out there I would have never left the scene until they were all dug out...days if need be. I would also be there first light no matter what the danger if somehow the latter wasnt possible. Some of you guys need to keep your opinions to yourself or go about it in a more respecful manner. Its guys like this that win medals, and have my utmost respect. I, as others have stated, would be proud to have friends like this behind me. Cheers fellas, and RIP to our fallen brothers.

 

[THUNDERWOLF]

Hey, let the friends do whatever they believe in. If you stop them, the world will stop moving. Some might have different beliefs but they should not be criticized. If it was my buddy or buddette, I would do the same thing within my acceptable level of risk. It is a matter of loyalty and honor. Those who criticize are simply selfish and shifty.

 

[sledchick]

As others have said I would have a hard time dealing with the fact my friend was up there, I wouldn't want to leave until they were found. There isn't many genuine people like that anymore, people get more and more selfish all the time. Thinking what is best for themselves, but these people did the most unselfish thing they could do. Yes they may have put themselves in danger, we don't know the whole story, but maybe the feeling of at least trying gives them a sense of closure...instead of just standing there doing nothing about it. I'm glad they found one of the bodies, at least that family can have some closure and peace. Prayers and blessings to the people that recover Christoph body...

 

[toadster920]

I think it is an awesome thing that this group of FRIENDS went and "RECOVERED" the body of one of THEIR fallen comrades. That shows just how much LOVE they have for this man and his family. They all knew what the risk was. They all knew the dangers. They all knew the area as well if not better than anyone else on the planet. They all knew no one was going to come help them if the worst would have happened while attempting the recovery.

All of you that are bashing them need to just get on with your selfish, worthless, and meager existance and let those of us that LOVE our FRIENDS and FAMILIES whom we would do anything for, LIVE HAPPY and FREE of all YOUR shortcomings. All I can say is that I hope my friends love me this much to do the very same for my family if an unfortunate incident like this happens to me.

L8R
Todd

 

[STR8UPAK]

I know first hand how hard it is knowing that your friend is still on the mountain dead. I also respect what these men have done for their friend, that is what real friendship is about. It has nothing to do with being a hero, it is all about closure for the family. My prayers will be with these guys when they go back for Christoph.

 

[skidoorulz]

You people can call me selfish, you can call me whatever you want I do not care. Bottom line is I have a much greater responsibility to my wife and son and grandchild and the rest of my family and freinds. What good is it to any of them if I lose my life goin and doing something that was advised by trained professionals to be not safe? To go in and risk life to recover a body is not worth it, Yes I will agree it was a good freind and if that good freind was lost on that mountain or injured and his life depende on someone getting up there to save him then yea full speed ahead. But a body NO WAY!!!! I owe it to my wife and family and freinds that are living to keep myself alive for them! And I repeat to all who may be listening with some common sense, IF I EVER DIE ON AMOUNTAIN SOMEWHERE, DO NOT TRY TO PULL MY DEAD BODY OUT IF IT IS NOT SAFE. YOUR LIFE IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING MY BODY OUT OF AN UNSAFE SITUATION

 

[doors4u]

You should stay home on the couch then. That way your wife will know right where you are at. These guys determined that this was an acceptable level of risk. That's right I said RISK. They knew they were taking a chance. It is not up to you to decide what is best for everyone to do. I'm sure no one was forced to participate in the rescue. Have fun watching Dr. Phil.

 

[Mag]

We only have like 8 troopers for the entire state and all they wanna do is d.u.i.'s not find stolen chit or solve crimes. Best wishes for the friends and families hope you get some closure soon.

 

[stripe]

My condolences to the friends and familys

 

[HPJUNKIE]

Every man ( or there wives) should be fortunate enough to have friends like this. They earned these friends by being the same type of man they are, someone you can rely on when everything turns to sh-t. If any of you guys that were in the recovery party read this you have my honest respect, good for you. No one gets left behind.

x2 Jay...

 

[rmanzek]

You *******s especially the people from out of state, don't even no whats goin on. I was up there the day of the Avalanche, they were friends of mine. Very good competent riders that do push the limits, and it sucks they got hit. We are all out doing what we love to do in the backcountry. We are supposed to recover Christoph tomorrow. If it was your friend you would be doin the same thing. It is a risk that some of us are willing to take to give the family a closure. We know the conditions and are working with troopers and rescue crews to make the recovery as safe as possible. So why don't you stop bad mouthing people that are already dead, and there friends that want to get there fellow riders out. Does it feel good to talk **** about people that have been killed? Get a life and ride, or just stay off the postings.

 

[xrated]

"This group -- they like to push the limit," said troopers spokeswoman Beth Ipsen. "That's how we got to this point in the first place."


If I was one of these guys buds or family members I would be wanting this chicks ace on a damn platter!!! She needs to go to PR school again, this should have never been said, but she could have been more tactful.

With that said, I should hope to be so lucky to have friends like this...or a wife understanding enough to let me do the same thing(which I think she is).

If my path ever crosses with one of these guys and I find out there will be a or whatever they want on me.

 

[AkHockey10]

"This group -- they like to push the limit," said troopers spokeswoman Beth Ipsen. "That's how we got to this point in the first place."


If I was one of these guys buds or family members I would be wanting this chicks ace on a damn platter!!! She needs to go to PR school again, this should have never been said, but she could have been more tactful.

With that said, I should hope to be so lucky to have friends like this...or a wife understanding enough to let me do the same thing(which I think she is).

If my path ever crosses with one of these guys and I find out there will be a or whatever they want on me.

I have sent her an email about what she said. I told her that she could have used a better choice of words and some other things. havent heard anything back yet...