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Snowmachiners defy dangers to recover body of buried buddy

Similar risk led to first tragedy, troopers say
By JAMES HALPIN
jhalpin@adn.com | jhalpin@adn.com
Published: February 21st, 2008 12:06 AM
Last Modified: February 21st, 2008 12:25 AM
A group of snowmachiners took the search for their dead friends' bodies into their own hands Wednesday when they trekked through vicious weather to the Turnagain Pass scene, dug out one of the avalanche victims, and hauled him home on a sled, according to Alaska State Troopers.
The recovered body, identified by troopers as Jeremy Stark, 27, was pulled out late in the afternoon by a group of friends who wanted to help searchers unable to reach the bodies for nearly a week because of persisting foul weather and avalanche dangers.
But what friends are calling help, troopers say was an unsanctioned and risky venture.
"This group -- they like to push the limit," said troopers spokeswoman Beth Ipsen. "That's how we got to this point in the first place."
Christoph von Alvensleben, 25, remains buried in the Seattle Creek drainage's Stock Bowl about 70 miles southeast of Anchorage, where he and five friends were snowmachining late last week when they triggered the deadly slide that killed the pair.
The experienced snowmachiners went out to the area Friday, the day after a warning from the Chugach National Forest Avalanche Information Center that the area was dangerous.
The area, which has gotten several more feet of snow since the fatal avalanche, continues to pose a significant risk to people in the backcountry, according to the Chugach National Forest Avalanche Information Center. Both natural and human-triggered slides are likely, and backcountry travel is not recommended by the center.
"I think anyone can understand we don't want to compound a tragedy like this by sending more people back in there to get hurt," said Rebecca Talbott, spokeswoman for the Chugach National Forest.
In the course of just over a week, up to 8 feet of snow and 9 inches of water have accumulated on top of light-density snow, creating widespread avalanches in Girdwood Valley, Portage, Turnagain Pass and the Summit Lake areas, the avalanche center reported Wednesday.
Despite that, the friends of the dead men have been out braving the dangerous conditions for the past three days to break trail and assess the safety of the area so they could reach the scene and retrieve the bodies, said Joshua Smith, one of the 11 members on the recovery mission.
"Safety is always our first concern," he said. "We did everything as safely as could possibly be done."
The group knows the area and its dangers, he said, and members brought along appropriate gear in case of an unexpected slide or other hazard. They also took their time to methodically reach the area, he said.
After a slight break in the weather Wednesday, the group was able to get to one of the bodies, which had been marked the day of the slide by an avalanche probe -- only about six inches of which still protruded -- and get out before conditions worsened, according to Johannes von Alvensleben, who said he was not among the group searching for his brother.
Also not involved was Andrew Baugh, who got caught in the slide last week but survived. His wife, Abbie Baugh, said her husband has not participated in the recovery because "his wife won't let him leave the house."
In general, troopers try to recover victims' bodies as quickly as they can so that families can have closure, Ipsen said, though they are not going to risk more lives to make that come a few days sooner. With conditions the way they are, troopers would not have been able to help in time if something had gone wrong, she said.
The group of friends, which reported upon their return that conditions were "as bad as they can get," plans to recover von Alvensleben's body -- as do troopers -- when conditions improve, Smith said.
"Certainly, we'd love to have him down, but there's no way we'd want to risk loss of life," von Alvensleben said of his brother. "I can imagine that it was pretty harrowing and pretty risky on their part."
 
"wife won't left him leave the house"..........for quite some time ima thinkin'! sad story to hear. just not worth the risk in some areas with all the snow we have had.
 
Every man ( or there wives) should be fortunate enough to have friends like this. They earned these friends by being the same type of man they are, someone you can rely on when everything turns to sh-t. If any of you guys that were in the recovery party read this you have my honest respect, good for you. No one gets left behind.
 
Dumb!!!!!!!! A life is not worth risking to recover a BODY. It's dead already. I understand closure and all but would you want someone to risk their life to recover your BODY? Not me. If Iam dead and it ain't safe to pull me outta somewhere, leave me there till it is safe. What differance will it make to me? I think it was just a grandstanding effort on their part and a way to thumb their nose at SAR
 
I understand "no one left behind" but I have to agree, DUMB. They even admit it after they return by saying that conditions are worst they had ever seen and will wait to go back. Does someone else have to die before you listen to the experts?
 
Please.....Remember how terrible this situation is and don't bash or be mean. These individuals are already getting bashed hard by some ignorant people on the local sites/media. They probably felt they owed it to them and needed closure themselves. I have read many post regarding this and talked with some who knew those involved with the recovery. Though it wasn't the best thing to do, they were able to recover one of the victims and hopefully brought closure to his friends and family. Again, this was a tragic loss felt throughout the community and if it had been your fried or loved one you may have done the same. None of them are looking for praise for what they did nor are they asking to be bashed. If you wish to speak your peace, remember to be respectful in doing so, that is all anyone asks. Be safe and look out for one another, this has been a tragic year and it's far from over.
 
To the people with negative comments, remember to put yourself in the shoes of the rescuers who had two of their close friends still on the mountain before you call people dealing with grief and loss "dumb", grandstanders, or say they are thumbing their nose. All of which are not the case, and please be smart enough to hold judgement and negative comments until you know the entire story and not some quick story out of a local newspaper.
 
Let's see they went into an area that was deemed unsafe by experts and recovered a body. What did the story not cover? The guy is still dead and they did not bring him back to life. All they did was put themselves in danger and risked more lives and more than likly caused more uneeded stress to their loved ones during an already stresfull time. I repeat, to all who know me. If I ever die or am killed somewhere, DO NOT TRY TO GET ME OUT AND PUT YOURSELF OR OTHERS IN A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION TO DRAG MY CARCASS OUT. WAIT TILL IT IS SAFE. I would not be willing to risk mine or anyone elses life to drag out a body. Now if you are talking about an injured person then I say whatever it takes. I still say DUMB!!!!!!!! Trust me I do know tragic loss. My father in law fell out of his boat 7 years ago and drown in FT Peck lake. Trust me there is no more helpless feeling than waiting for the recovery, but you wait and let the professionals do the job that they have trained for and you do not hamper their performance by doing stupid things yourself. When it is over, all you can do is thank them for the sometimes thankless job they do for someone they didn't even know.
 
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Dumb!!!!!!!! A life is not worth risking to recover a BODY. It's dead already. I understand closure and all but would you want someone to risk their life to recover your BODY? Not me. If Iam dead and it ain't safe to pull me outta somewhere, leave me there till it is safe. What differance will it make to me? I think it was just a grandstanding effort on their part and a way to thumb their nose at SAR

Its not worth anything to you but, to the families it means a lot!!!!! yes, the friends know how risky they are being, but, If i was a friend, i would do the same!!
 
That is not what I said. I said wait till it is safe to do so. Don't risk other lives doing it.

yes, im sure a lot of people feel the same as you do. but, i do not think it is dumb. btw, this is coming from a newspaper...
 
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We are not here to pass judgement on the men that went to rescue their friend. You can not make decisions for me any more than I can for you. Obviously the rescuers thought that they needed to go in and locate their comrade and that is exactly what they did. To each man his own. We all are responsible for our own actions, but not that of others. Of coarse we want everyone to be safe and sensible but it is up to the individual to decide exactly what that is. I personally cannot say what I would do until put into that situation and pray I will never have too.
My prays go out to our fallen comrades and blessing to all of the rescuers..... past and present......

.....We are all in this together... Let's act like it....
 
Good luck on the second recovery! I know what they're going through.....been there last month.:(
 
We are not here to pass judgement on the men that went to rescue their friend. You can not make decisions for me any more than I can for you. Obviously the rescuers thought that they needed to go in and locate their comrade and that is exactly what they did. To each man his own. We all are responsible for our own actions, but not that of others. Of coarse we want everyone to be safe and sensible but it is up to the individual to decide exactly what that is. I personally cannot say what I would do until put into that situation and pray I will never have too.
My prays go out to our fallen comrades and blessing to all of the rescuers..... past and present......

.....We are all in this together... Let's act like it....


100% agree!!! sounds like they were great friends.. DID WHAT THEY FELT THEY HAD TO DO FOR A FRIEND AND HIS FAMILY!!

safe or unsafe, i think they deserve some commendation!
 
I'd hate to think that we should outlaw, full informed adults doing something they feel they need to do, no matter how risky. Sounds like they needed to do something, everyone could be so lucky to have such "Good" friends. You've already went above and beyond, so wait out the weather, then get the job done and come home safe. :beer;
 
Well I guess it depends on thier mindset... if they went in there head strong... "we're gonna get him out no matter what" then ya dumbish... but if they went in there, knowing the risks, and played it cautiously and were willing to turn back if they felt it got to risky and got lucky good on them.
 
I find it interesting that if you post a negative comment on the foolishness of riding the backcountry alone you will be flamed and told to stay home and watch TV.

These 11 men were well prepared, experienced and methodical. They did not do this foolishly and they showed good judgement by waiting on the 2nd recovery.
They did something noble for their friend and I for one would be proud to have them as my friends.
My hat is off to all of you.
 
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