SnoWesters, before you buy parts from people READ THIS:

[leisureexpress]

If an east coaster says something is mint - just run. Been there done that.

If I buy something from someone that is used and is kind of complex (like a used or new motor), I ask them, is there some kind of a warranty? No, not an it has to run for x miles, but I will inspect this closely when it shows up and I just want it to not be dead on arrival (like this motor).

Listen to what they say and how they say it, if they waver, keep shopping. Oh, and get it in writing. If they are ligit, they should be able to back up what they say and stand by what they sell.

 

[Scott]

So now I have an issue.
I send off this email to him:

> From: Scott
> Subject: Re: 800ves
> To: "Ryan " <worray01@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:31 PM
> Ryan I have some serious concerns
> about this motor. We have now found that both pistons are
> scored and detonated. (And there is almost NO wash on them
> at all). One cylinder need honed. The crank is way out of
> phase (8 thousanths). The PTO end is bad. The crank bearings
> have not been done. They are still the OEM stock bearings.
> Ther is no wide bearing kit done to it. It is not as you
> described it to me back in May. It would cost me a LOT to
> get it back to the condition you said it would be in.
>
> I need to hear back from you and would like to know what
> you will do.
>
> --Scott

Of course, I get this back from him:

----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan
To: Scott
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: 800ves

Scott,

This is all news to me as I told you what I was told in regaurds to the motor. I was told, the crank was gone through, big bearing was done, new pistons and cylinders (wiesco) new billet head, all done by a Polaris dealer. When the motor was removed, it was running perfectly as it should and the compression was where it should be. Now with that said, I never took the motor apart to inspect as you have so I went on the word given to me as I had no reason not to, it ran great and there were no issues. I'm not sure what the solution is to the problem, please let me know your thoughts.

Sooo his "ignorance" is reason to not stand behind it?

 

[Scott]

So my response is:

From: Scott
> Subject: Re: 800ves
> To: "Ryan " <worray01@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:10 PM
> Hi Ryan,
>
> The pistons do look damn near new. Most of the damage to
> them was visible through the exhaust port. Cylinders would
> be like new if the pistons hadn't swelled. The
> compression was down on the PTO side due to the scars on the
> cylinder walls.
>
> There were loose bolts on it and there were missing bolts
> on the starter.
>
> Both pistons are scored, scratched and deto'd just enough
> to be ruined, its got stock bearings on crank and they have
> been spun on pto side. The heads need just a bit of machine
> work from detonation &
> I think I'd rather send the engine back and for you to
> refund my paypal purchase.
>
> --Scott

But is he willing to stand behind what he promised to me:

----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan
To: Scott
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: 800ves

Hey Scott,

I told you I wasn't sure if I had all of the bolts for the recoil in an email before you got it. As for everything else, it sounds to me as if they did the work (with the exception of the big bearing from what you're saying) Like I mentioned before, It was running perfect and had perfect compression when it left here. And again, I had no reason to think anything else. The only thing I can think of is, it did have a HOTSEAT Ceramic pipe on it, maybe it was dialed right in and jetted to the limit, again, I don't know. I can't refund the purchase, it is a used motor that left here in perfectly good running condition as is with no warranty obviously. I feel bad its apparenlty not what you expected but I can't take it back after you've had it all apart and all. If you want, I will buy those Valves out of my pocket and give you the v-force reeds that were on the motor if you want. Let me know what you think.

What do you make of THIS?

 

[xc_rider08]

that is complete bull chit!!!! he is a POS!!!!! he knew it was bad... there is no way that motor was running when he took it out.. otherwise he wouldnt have offered to just buy parts back from it all ready... just my .02

So my response is:




But is he willing to stand behind what he promised to me:



What do you make of THIS?

 

[Scott]

XC_rider he wanted to SEND me parts. Valves and reeds.

More of his BS:

> From: Scott
> Subject: Re: 800ves
> To: "Ryan" <worray01@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:45 PM
>
>
> Ryan,
>
> I have included direct copies of the emails
> you sent me in
> May.
> Yes, you did say all of the recoil bolts may not be
> there that is
> correct.
> However with what you did say on May 22nd, I also
> expected a wide
> bearing, a trued crank (it's at .008 and factory
> spec is withing .003 it's
> WAY out)
> I didn't expect to find pistons that were no good
> (had detonation damage
> and no wash). I'll send pictures of them.
>
> It boils down to the fact that the engine is not in
> mint shape, especially
> because it did not come with a good crank with new
> bearings. It was
> misrepresented and I AM dissapointed in it and I'm not
> going to accept a set of
> exhaust valves to cover for that.
>
> Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan
To: Scott
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: 800ves

Scott,

When I said you would not be dissapointed, I was going on how it ran for one when pulled, excellent, and for two, what was told to me to have been done. You bought a used motor, as is without any warranty. I am willing to help out however I am not going to pay $500 for this which is none of my fault. I sent you a perfectly good running motor that I was told had all of the things mentioned in ealrier emails completed. I don't want to get into a pissing match or for anyone to have hard feelings. Let me know what you think is fair and lets get this taken care of.

I don’t know where the $500 figure came into play. Not sure what he means there.

 

[RKT]

That's a bad deal, Scott.. Unfortunately, these things happen all the time..

I will tell you what I try to do to avoid these problems.. Maybe I can help you with it next time..

Since I have customers all over the USA, I will contact a customer in the area and have them inspect the item.

Like I said, if you get in a position, in the future, give me a call and I can try and locate a client in that area to check it out for ya ahead of time..

Kelsey

 

[Scott]

Thanks Kelsy, I will remember that.

What I think is a fair offer to him:

--- On Fri, 7/31/09,
> From: Scott>
> Subject: Re: 800ves
> To: "Ryan " <worray01@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 4:28 PM
> Ryan, it is your responsibility to
> make sure the engine (especially the crank) was in the
> condition that you told me it was in. I think you
> should take the engine back to the shop and show them what's
> done to it and get your money back.
>
> What if we did this: you refund the $, I will
> send everythink back, you take it to the shop and have them
> do it the right way.
>
> When they get that bottom end done right and its proven to
> me that they do the PTO end and wide bearing and everything
> to make that crank new then I will honor a gentlemen's
> agreement to re-buy the engine again.
>
> How does that sound?
>
> --Scott

What is unreasonable about this? I didn’t get what I was promised.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan
To: Scott
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: 800ves

Scott,

I am not willing to do that. First of all, I was left with less than $xxxx after shipping the motor and paypal fees. Secondly, there is no warranty expressed, written, or implied. I sent you a prefectly good running motor and told you what was told to have been done to me. When it was pulled, it had perfect compression and ran as it should, mint. Again, I'm sorry that you aren't 100% happy however I am not willing to take the motor back. Like I mentioned before, I am willing to get those valves for you and include some v-force reeds as well or something along those lines however I am not going to take the motor back and go through all of that.

Sooooo bend over and take these valves and reeds...I'll be gentle.

 

[JHG]

What do you make of THIS?

He's F#$kin you. You can say as is, no warranty after the fact. He said "you won't be disappointed", "and it runs"

You are disappointed and it doesn't run. He made claims in writing about the motor that were simply not true. There are federal protections against this kind of fraud. Read the UCC, it will help you out.

 

[Scott]

I guess I was beating my head against a wall here, but I tried one more time.

From: Scott>
> Subject: Re: 800ves
> To: "Ryan" <worray01@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:27 PM
>
> Ryan, It does not have the crank that you told me it
> did. The crank
> was not true like you said.
>
> If you take it to the dealer and demand the warranty
> cover it then you'll
> be out nothing. Then I'll buy it back when
> it's ready.
>
>
> --Scott

 

[Scott]

So on PayPal’s dispute post he says this:

7/31/2009 16:47 PDT - Seller: I have been trying to work with you as to coming to an agreement however you just went to paypal and opened a claim rather than try to work any issues you say there are. You have had the motor now for over a week and now all of a sudden there is a problem? Sounds strange to me. I believe I even still have the pictures of inside of the motor through the exhaust and it clearly looks very nice as represented, not scored and junk like Scott says. For all I know, you might have put your junk cylinders on it, kept the good ones and now are trying to return the motor. I was willing to work with you Scott but don't try to take advantage of me.

Uh sorry Sparky, I have PSI cylinders. The motor was still taped up and tight as you left it. I never touched it and if you call Wayde Johnson a liar you are dead wrong.

PayPal is not my friend:

From PayPal:
Hello Scott,

You have chosen to escalate your dispute to a PayPal claim. By ending
communication with the seller, you are asking PayPal to investigate the
case and decide the outcome. As part of our investigation, PayPal reviewed
any communication you may have had in the Resolution Center.

Our investigation into your claim is complete. As stated in our User
Agreement, the claims process only applies to the shipment of goods. It
does not apply to complaints about the attributes or quality of goods
received. Therefore, we are unable to reverse this transaction or issue a
refund.

 

[Scott]

Be aware of this user name, emails, phone number and address

Ryan Yarrow
315 573-3685
5368 Brick Schoolhouse Rd
North Rose NY 14516

His emails are
His paypal: Jamie Finn jm_fnn@yahoo.com
Ryan Yarrow worray01@yahoo.com

Here his thread he has in Swapmeet:
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154808
He could use some red rep, I'd say.

 

[Vertical-Extreme]

Ask him who "did" the crank work, if he can't tell you he has been lying since the begining, if he tells you you could take it up with them

 

[JHG]

"Secondly, there is no warranty expressed, written, or implied."

This is wrong and any court will agree based on his earlier emails, a warranty was implied and again, just because he says it now, doesn't mean it's true.

 

[RMK SeVeN]

From: Ryan
To: Scott
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: 800ves

Scott,

When I said you would not be dissapointed, I was going on how it ran for one when pulled, excellent, and for two, what was told to me to have been done. You bought a used motor, as is without any warranty. I am willing to help out however I am not going to pay $500 for this which is none of my fault. I sent you a perfectly good running motor that I was told had all of the things mentioned in ealrier emails completed. I don't want to get into a pissing match or for anyone to have hard feelings. Let me know what you think is fair and lets get this taken care of.


Who's fault does he think that it is? The motor was supposedly given to him from the shop and he was the only one that ran it. The scoring and what not doesn't occur without running the motor. Does he think you ran it?

Sorry for the chitty deal Scott.

 

[Scott]

Lefty, I would love to take it up with them...if there is a "them".
I've since sent an email about "who" did the work and he will not respond.

No kidding.

RMK seven, he said he ran it 397 miles after the crank work was done.

 

[Super B]

Be aware of this user name, emails, phone number and address

Ryan Yarrow
315 573-3685
5368 Brick Schoolhouse Rd
North Rose NY 14516

His emails are
His paypal: Jamie Finn jm_fnn@yahoo.com
Ryan Yarrow worray01@yahoo.com

Here his thread he has in Swapmeet:
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154808
He could use some red rep, I'd say.

I hit him with max red rep.

 

[xc_rider08]

wow this guy is a fawking liar... there is no way the motor could have been running when they pulled it... it was not as described

scott, u just got kicked in the crotch bye pay pal while laying on the ground...


if there is someway u can take him to court, you better do it!!!

good luck man


o yeah... hit him with red rep too

 

[skibreeze]

I hit him with max red rep.

I hit him good for you also!

 

[RMK SeVeN]

Lefty, I would love to take it up with them...if there is a "them".
I've since sent an email about "who" did the work and he will not respond.

No kidding.

RMK seven, he said he ran it 397 miles after the crank work was done.

Seems strange that he is claiming that it is in no way his fault for its condition. All fingers point to him. Oh, and WHAT crank work? Haha

 

[daner]

The solution??? Is this guy serious? The solution is a simple one refund the money for the motor you sent or sh!t the motor you described in your emails....

Keep after him scott. I bet this guy wants government ran healthcare.
Dane