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SNOWEST FORUMS: Member Comments on "Letter to All Members"

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Why would your paid magazine subscription have any impact on your forum membership dues? They are wholly separate and unrelated. So I would expect that none of your paid magazine subscription would be refunded to you.

Christopher
I really don't have a issue paying $10.00 for a subscription but at that point when I have a issue with logging on as I have, will someone respond to me or will I have a phone number to call.
To this day I had to use a new email address and new name to sign in because my old name and passcode will not work. Even after updating, copy and pasting the info the automated system sent me, it will not let me in under my original name and email address. I sent messages through the automated system for 2 weeks daily and have yet to get a reply. So not really pleased with losing all my old info, pm's, misc other stuff. If I had to pay for this I would be outraged!!!
 
Had to happen...

Been a member since before the turn of the millenia (I know, sounds biblical but really cant remember 98/99 or 00).

When the member count passed 10K I thought this would happen, then the numbers just took of...
Not sure what I think about a pay site. The costs of fast response for 36.000 members is real and I dont have a clue how much is mended by people subscribing to support the forum.

Will buy premium for sure as long as the quality of the forum dont go down but fear the simple task of doing the payment might send people of to free sites.
It's just a click. Hope I'm wrong.


Stay with me guys 'n gals! :beer;:beer;

Rune, Norway
 
Because such a facility doesn't exist at a reasonable price.

High performance high bandwidth sites costs lots of money.

Average cost of bandwidth is $150 per Megabyte per second for throughput.

Our pipe idles at 12MB/s and then goes upward towards 48MB/Sec

ISPs make their living on selling bandwidth, and collocation facilities with all the bells and whistles you mentioned don't come cheap either.

And yes, we also looked into moving the entire system into a cloud server, and that was just as bad.

The route we settled in on should give us the most bang for the buck over the long term.


haha. this is getting funny. You guys dont know high bandwidth yet. and yes there are plenty of options out there. Why dont you guys just come out and say why your doing this. "SHOW ME THE MONEY" is that the motto? This is such a joke. Do some research please.
 
<<Average cost of bandwidth is $150 per Megabyte per second for throughput.>>

Bull Schidt! I buy 1Gbps/Sec and pay $9.00/mbps with good peering. I buy 200Mbps and pay $27.00 in a remote area with decent peering.

Typical retail markup and infrastructure costs means that we deliver service per Mbps at about $45-$70.

Yes this varies by region and compeditors, but if you're willing to pay $150/Mbps for an Ethernet handoff only capable of scaling to 48mbps, I'm in the wrong market! When can I send a sales guy to meet with you?

MD.
 
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BTW. I dont believe PooSlinger was stating that it would cost 200 bucks. Rather stating it would be significatly cheaper. Atleast that is how I interpreted it.
 
LOL
A lot of people are missing the point.
Is 10 dollars that big a deal.
no, not really.
I ride a 13k dollar custom sled.
I have over 2k in clothing
I have over 2k in gear.
10 bucks, no big deal.

Anyone who was her just 3 or 4 years ago knows how much it's changed, and not for the better.
I subscribed to the mag JUST to support this forum.
There are a LOT of people just like me that did it for the same reason.
You all talk about how it's worth it because of the knowledge.
um, how much knowledge will there be when the old timers all start leaving.


There is too much moderation.
There is too much cencorship
There are too many sections, subsections and bs to deal with.

You have sucked the fun out of this place.

Had you asked just 2 years ago for 10 bucks a year for JUST the forum, I would have written you a check on the spot.

Now, is 10 dollars a year to much.
Yea, it is, and it's too bad.
 
Thread Hijack

Not really trying to hijack this thread, but since I see the Forum Administrator is on this one all the time I thought I would get his attention asap. First off this is my first post as RC.... I just had to get a new profile using my wife's email, data becasue mine 'blew up/broke/fdup' about 2 weeks ago. I've sent 4 messages to the Forum Administrator to look at my situation but no response back! i cant post, open pics, etc is my main problems....I've looked and relooked to see if I could fix these things but no dice.
This is the 3rd time (counting the time when the Forum was 'improved' and everybody had to redo their stuff) that my profile has broke. The last time was late last winter... On the 3 or 4 Forums that I go (the others are not related to sled stuff) to the SW has caused me the most amount of trouble (None of the others charge either).
I've been on the the SW Forum since 2002 altho I 'lost' all my post status when it was reinvented or whatever happened Can somebody help??
Oh yea, I'm actually Rambob....this is the user name that is screwed up.
 
Since you asked....

I would not have replied to this thread if not invited to do so... And this post will be drowned out in a matter of days anyway...

I see both sides of this debate;

In todays age of wants and needs being as they are, server space, upkeep and upgrading is not a small investment for a site that is capable of handling the needs of its patrons. I know first hand the amount of work involved in maintaining a website, but not one of this magnitude.

I also understand the need for corporate moguls to address the bottom line to their own pocket-books & their shareholders. In todays age of dimenishing profits, especialy in printed media, more and more diversified forms of revenue are required. Hence we find ourselves at this juncture.

I know this:
I had a subscription to Snow West for a few years. I let it, as well as all my other subsriptions, lapse. I found the info to be too manufacturer oriented. With very little in the way of certain technological information I look for, I didn't find much value in it. I didn't write a letter threatening to cancel my subscription unless they change, I simply ignored the renewal notices... That was my message.

I do not buy new sleds; cant justify the cost when I do not ride that much, being as snow fall in my region has been less than stellar over the last few years and the efficiency of the new sleds is not where it should or needs to be... Not to mention it is just not my style or in my pocket-books capabilities... but that is a discussion for another time.

Sumation;

I found a long time ago that online forums, such as this, are a much better source to get the information I need, when I need it. Also forums in general are generaly loaded with accomodating and helpfull people with way more real world experience than the most seasoned Mag writers... it is about the community! That is the perspective that should prevail! Especialy to said Moguls...

It will be interesting to see what happens to that community after this becomes a "pay-2-play" entity.

I fear a great number of the most seasoned and knowledgable persons in the field may go away. Not because of perhaps their standing on the issue of "2 Pay, or not 2 Pay" but because they are themselves, being the knowledge holders, are on these forums as a giving grace of that knowledge. So why should they pay to help others when, at times, all they get is grief for their efforts?

That being said, I, personaly, can not say, out of faith, that I can be begrudging of having to pay for something I find a given value for. As it stands now, I do not use this site enough, as my post count indicates, to warrant paying for its useage.

That may very well change in the near future. So I do not say "good-bye", but perhaps "See-ya later".

Keep the focus, also, that this is a web forum and their is WAY more to life than letting the little things get to you. From reading through the posts I see many who feel that this forum is a great value to them in regard to snowmobiling and in personal reationships. Perhaps, one day, that will be the case for me also. To them the value is imeasurable... Beauty, after all, is in the eye of the beholder. Also, each has his own percieved value of said beauty.

Love and Peace be with all of you!
 
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You are absolutely correct.

It is VERY hard to know the cross effect the forum has had on the magazine over the years

What they are able to track are the real direct costs of the forums and it's associated support/overhead for the last many years. And what I have been told, by several people at corporate, is that the income has never matched the outgo, and that the forum has always been a service provided to the general snowmobiling public.

The rates that are being asked are no intended to generate some vast amount of profit. I think anyone with any real integrity can look at them and see that this will never generate a million, or half a million or even a quart million dollars like some members are suggesting. Thats just not in the cards, and not part of reality.

I think that is the point. Obviously Harris is expecting many people will leave the forum. I am guessing the content will decrease propotionally. We will see.
 
I just wanted to add my comments as we were invited to do by the letter to members. I'm not one of the big time posters here, I come for the 6 months or so of winter, and generally I'm too busy working the rest of the year. There's a lot of good and interesting reads here, but, I generally am not willing to pay a annual fee to be part of an online community. I'd rather just call some buddies up and hit the powder. Putting a price on the annual subscription to the forums is essentially putting a price on the value of the friends met here. That's something I don't agree with. So, all the best to snowest in their efforts to become independent. I personally will not be signing up.

See you guys on the mountain.
 
From the users of Snowest (active & lurkers):

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Edited for Brevity........

SnoWest will have 3 categories of members in 2010.

Guest:
* Will have the ability to see all the forums and read a portion of all the threads
* Will be able to READ SwapMeet Forum
* Will be able to READ the SnowSafety Forum
* Will be able to READ the SnowMembers Forum


Basic Member:
This level will be completely free. Members here will have all of the privileges of a guest, but will also get:
* Full posting ability in the SwapMeet forum, the SnowSafety forum, and the SnowMembers forum
* Limited posting ability in the other forums
* Limited ability to read other topics and forums
* Private Message Capabilities with limited storage

Premium Member:
All of the above privileges, plus:
* Unlimited viewing and posting privileges across the forums
* Unrestricted private-message capability
* Unrestricted access to all of the new features (chat rooms, treadmill, live-topic, etc.)
* Instant-Messenger
* Personal Blog
* Photo Albums
* "My Garage"
* Polls
* Enhanced Search Engine
* Social Groups
* Invitations to meetups and group rides
* ... And MUCH MUCH more!!!

So What’s The Cost?[/B][/SIZE]

A 12-month membership to the SnoWest Online Forums will cost $29.95. However, we recognize times are tough for a lot of people right now, so we’ll be doing a few things to keep the subscription affordable:

All Current SnoWest Forum Members:

·1 Year Forum Subscription: $14.95/yr, 50% off (thats just 4 cents a day)

·2 Year Forum Subscription: $12.50/yr, 58% off

·3 Year Forum Subscription:
$9.99/yr, 66% off (Only 3 cents a day!)

AND with any paid forum membership you qualify for either a SnoWest or SledHeads magazine subscription for only $14.95!


Free Membership Extensions:

For every person you refer to SnoWest that enters your user name when they join, your account will be credited with 3 months free membership. Recruit 4 members a year, and you will pay nothing for your next year's subscription!



Ok, here's the problem as *I* see it.
First: You are asking for money for "Pie in the Sky" ideas. Basically you are asking current forum members to be your venture capitalists and invest in the unknown. This is probably the crux of where most people problems lie. Why do we want to pay for something we can't even see, feel, and touch?

Second: While some of your ideas seem neat, in all honesty, they are just FLUFF. Webinars? Video Conferencing? Who's going to use that? This is a hobby forum, not something related to work. Now having said THAT I do see the use in offering instructional videos and what not, but dude, that's what YOU TUBE is for - why pay for the bandwidth yourself, when You tube does it better for less? Social Groups? Again offered elsewhere for free. Blogs? Again Free. Unlimited forum creation: Oh, BAD BAD idea.

Third: Good ideas: Back issues in digital format? GREAT IDEA. Long time in coming. Emergency Alerts? Again GREAT idea. Club Forums? Hmmm, maybe a good idea.

Lastly: Your asking just TOO much... 30 bucks? your kidding me. You need to remember KISS (Keep it Simple) and KICS (Keep it CHEAP). And you should allow people to post and read their STATE forum and say one sled manufacturer forum for free. Most people come here looking for info on rides in their home area, and info on their sleds.

A good price for premium membership: 5 bucks a year. Free with a subscription. It should be just enough to cover the cost of the equipment and bandwidth. Supporting the BRC, SAWS ect is good, but most members ALREADY support those groups...

Mark my words, you won't be needing all that fancy hardware if you charge too much, because the membership WILL go away.
 
I dont post that much on here and when the time comes to pay I will just go to another site...

Oh yea and just so you all know TRG has way more like ten times more users on line at any given time than snow west... They seem to handle it just fine...

Not that big of a deal to me as I said I will just go else where..
 
Why invest in all the hardware, maintenance costs, administrative costs, when the forum and db can be ported over to a host that might charge a couple hundred bucks a year for unlimited CPU, bandwidth, and storage with full redundancy/failover capabilities through multiple datacenters? Seems like a huge WOM. It's not like we're processing credit card transactions on this site where you may want more physical control over your infrastructure...

The amount of bandwidth required to run a site like this would cost many many multiples of what you said. I have looked into offsite hosting for my business and it is waaayyyy more expensive than what your talk about.
 
Just print up a snowest sticker, charge $14.95 for it and throw in a free years subscription with every purchase. It's worked on other sled forums. :beer;
 
Thats It.
Your a genius.
This is all part of my master plan to wreak havoc and destruction just so I can come in and fix everything.
The Hegelian Dialectic in action.

Ya, Right.

Well....... Unfortunately, you haven't been able to justify otherwise. No intended to "wreak havoc" just an effort to come up with the results that best suit you and your employers and not the members of this site. Look man, you've got a lot of other pissed off people to deal with, so I digress. Good luck. I truly hope it works out.
 
what i cant understand is that why so many of these so called diehard snowest members that love/loved this site so much are so quick to kick it to the curb, if this site is so important to you all why are you so quick to just kick it to the curb and not even give it a chance to be better, I do agree that there could be a few less bells and whistles but those things are what the younger demagraphic like and lets face it we are not getting any younger. I would like to think that my 3 year old boy will have the same passion as I do for this sport, I think places like this are good to help educate him on the sport, but if this site is just an old fart hang out with no frills he may push on and never know what he was missing out on. I say quite all the what ifs and buts and just give it a chance first who knows you may just like it, besides its not like you are getting nothing in return remember for the 3 year member ship you get a subscription to the mag online which is cheaper than i pay for the printed version
Later
 
What about having a family discount especially with more than one person in the household with memberships here. Now for my 16 year old and myself and my wife it would be expensive to be on the forum now. What are you doing about this?
 
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