Snowest becoming a PAY SITE?????

[Adrenaline Revolution]

Tom,
Sent you a couple PM's

 

[BigJake]

I am a member on both sites. Fact is my close friends went over there and asked me to come check it out too. Has nothing to do with Loyalty. I am still doing what I always have done here. I explained this to the Admin and they understand.

OK, Whatever.........What is the definition of conflict of interest anyway?

 

[phatty]

Moderators,
I have a question. What happened to bubba700? Why was he banned from this site?

Paying for this site is not a rumor. It is fact. Its going to happen. I have personally read the threads in the Mod section that stated so.

Also if it wasnt true why wouldnt Chris just type a one line response stating that its not true. People stop freaking out and life goes on. The very fact that he is crafting a "well written" response speaks volumes about what is happening. I am sorry to hear about his family problems and wish him the best with that.

Pay should be used for listing classified ads and thats it. Anything other than that will drive people away. When that happens, myself and my advertising dollars will move to other sites.


Next Item:
I too am extremely upset with the over use of moderators. Three times i have had mods come into the Utah section and delete my posts and pictures. I have been on snowest since 2000 and NEVER had a deleted post. These mods dont even belong in the utah section. Its ridiculous and needs to stop. Unless the super mod (Chris) can limit mods power to their own section then i think all mods should go away.

 

[NorthMNSledder]

I find it rather funny that some Mods from Snowest have joined this new site BCR............if that isn't showing loyalty then nothing will.

Why? Because I love the sport and anything to do with the sport I can't read and contribute to another site? Do you think that the BCR site will be word for word the same as Snowest, of course not. There are members on BCR that don't exist here and members here that are not there. Not to mention that the BCR site is giving a lot of people the impression it is a "backcountry" riding site which is not necessarily a mountain "out west" site.

OK, Whatever.........What is the definition of conflict of interest anyway?

Google it, and I bet you can find lots of definitions to which you can read into what ever way you want.

Do you really feel that as a moderator on one one site you can't visit other snowmobile related forum sites? So should I go out and cancel my BCR, Hardcore Sledder, John Dee & Doo-Talk memberships. What about non-snowmobile forums? Do I need to cancel those too BigJake?

 

[togwotee9]

I paid back when they had the donation button with out bicthing. But what did I get for my $15.00??????

 

[Scott]

Geoff, I'll answer a couple of your questions.

Moderators,
I have a question. What happened to bubba700? Why was he banned from this site?

According to his posts, he chose to leave.

Paying for this site is not a rumor. It is fact. Its going to happen. I have personally read the threads in the Mod section that stated so.

Also if it wasnt true why wouldnt Chris just type a one line response stating that its not true. People stop freaking out and life goes on. The very fact that he is crafting a "well written" response speaks volumes about what is happening. I am sorry to hear about his family problems and wish him the best with that.

Pay should be used for listing classified ads and thats it. Anything other than that will drive people away. When that happens, myself and my advertising dollars will move to other sites.


Next Item:
I too am extremely upset with the over use of moderators. Three times i have had mods come into the Utah section and delete my posts and pictures. I have been on snowest since 2000 and NEVER had a deleted post. These mods dont even belong in the utah section. Its ridiculous and needs to stop. Unless the super mod (Chris) can limit mods power to their own section then i think all mods should go away.

If you look at the main forum page and look at the list of threads and which moderators are assigned to those sections ...those moderators can only mdoerate those sections who which they are assigned. The only people who can moderate outside of their assignment are SuperMods and the admin (with yellow titles)

 

[cjgodden]

Next Item:
I too am extremely upset with the over use of moderators. Three times i have had mods come into the Utah section and delete my posts and pictures. I have been on snowest since 2000 and NEVER had a deleted post. These mods dont even belong in the utah section. Its ridiculous and needs to stop. Unless the super mod (Chris) can limit mods power to their own section then i think all mods should go away.

Just to state FACT, there are three levels of moderation. Modreator (red), Supermoderator(bold red), and Admin(yellow). A moderator only has moderation capibility in their subforum, A supermod and admin has function in all forums. SO if someone other than the utah mod deleted your posts or pics, It had to be either a supermod or admin. So your concern about limiting power is and has allways been addressed.

 

[irondave86]

So one mod thanks me for this post; another mod deletes it (for lanuguage, yet this quote is left here). My problem here has always been overzealous moderation. Are we supposed to fall in line with mainstream media? If so, I'm offended severly by this picture and will be contacting the ACLU.




Hey Mod! Scott used the letter F! Make him sit in the corner!!! And Scott, shame on you for laughing at other people's funny jokes.




If it goes paid or not, at least let people retain their personalities.

You problem has always been????? you have been here less than a week, yet you seem to think you have all of sw's problems figured out......lol you don't have a clue, and it becomes more apparent every time you post.

 

[cjgodden]

I paid back when they had the donation button with out bicthing. But what did I get for my $15.00??????

This type of thing will be addressed, Just take a deep breath and you will know the whole story soon.

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

Why? Because I love the sport and anything to do with the sport I can't read and contribute to another site? Do you think that the BCR site will be word for word the same as Snowest, of course not. There are members on BCR that don't exist here and members here that are not there. Not to mention that the BCR site is giving a lot of people the impression it is a "backcountry" riding site which is not necessarily a mountain "out west" site.


Do you really feel that as a moderator on one one site you can't visit other snowmobile related forum sites? So should I go out and cancel my BCR, Hardcore Sledder, John Dee & Doo-Talk memberships. What about non-snowmobile forums? Do I need to cancel those too BigJake?

I agree with your statement about Mods being members of multiple sites and I see nothing wrong with it at all but your statement about BCR not being a "Mountain, out west" is puzzling...

How mountainous or "Out West" is your beloved MN? You hang out here on a "Western Mountain" site and no-one has a problem with it.

I'm sure BCR will have something for everyone, much like SW...Even for you flatlanders!
I don't know about other peoples definition of "Back Country" but it definitely means Mountains to me.

I think people are just pizzed at the Mods who are overstepping their bounds and being overzealous in their VOLUNTEER jobs.
Some people cannot handle responsibility well.
You happen to be a Mod during a time when it seems to be Us Vs. Them.
Maybe you're a good mod... Or Maybe you're the type who deletes posts because you don't like what's being said.
That would be a bad Mod.

Which are you?

 

[BigJake]

Why? Because I love the sport and anything to do with the sport I can't read and contribute to another site? Do you think that the BCR site will be word for word the same as Snowest, of course not. There are members on BCR that don't exist here and members here that are not there. Not to mention that the BCR site is giving a lot of people the impression it is a "backcountry" riding site which is not necessarily a mountain "out west" site.




Google it, and I bet you can find lots of definitions to which you can read into what ever way you want.

Do you really feel that as a moderator on one one site you can't visit other snowmobile related forum sites? So should I go out and cancel my BCR, Hardcore Sledder, John Dee & Doo-Talk memberships. What about non-snowmobile forums? Do I need to cancel those too BigJake?

'A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.'

It has nothing to do with other forums, only BCR.

BCR was started by Snowest members Imsick, Intimid8or, Twisted Boost, & Samurai. From a post I read (the thread is now deleted) their site was created to compete with Snowest and "get back" at Snowest for the changes that have been made in the last few months.

So for everyone that is a moderator that is joining BCR, it is a conflict of interest. If you want to be a member of BCR, then step down as a moderator of this site......it's that simple.

(I must make it clear, I have nothing against the Snowest members I mentioned that started BCR, More Power To Them. I just find this all rather interesting, and thought I would give my opinion.)

 

[NorthMNSledder]

I agree with your statement about Mods being members of multiple sites and I see nothing wrong with it at all but your statement about BCR not being a "Mountain, out west" is puzzling...

How mountainous or "Out West" is your beloved MN? You hang out here on a "Western Mountain" site and no-one has a problem with it. And why should they?

I'm sure BCR will have something for everyone, much like SW...Even for you flatlanders!
I don't know about other peoples definition of "Back Country" but it definitely means Mountains to me. And to me it means off trail away from civilization, out in the middle of no where. But this is a personal opinion. Per Websters: a remote undeveloped rural area.

I think people are just pizzed at the Mods who are overstepping their bounds and being overzealous in their VOLUNTEER jobs. I can agree with you on this and there are also guys that push the envolope of what can be posted (nudity/profanity) and then get pissed when that gets deleted.
Some people cannot handle responsibility well.
You happen to be a Mod during a time when it seems to be Us Vs. Them.
Maybe you're a good mod... Or Maybe you're the type who deletes posts because you don't like what's being said.
That would be a bad Mod.

Which are you? At this point I must still be good because I have only deleted one post per a user request

'A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.' So how would me being a mod "corrupt" either site?

It has nothing to do with other forums, only BCR.

BCR was started by Snowest members Imsick, Intimid8or, Twisted Boost, & Samurai. From a post I read (the thread is now deleted) their site was created to compete with Snowest and "get back" at Snowest for the changes that have been made in the last few months.

So for everyone that is a moderator that is joining BCR, it is a conflict of interest. If you want to be a member of BCR, then step down as a moderator of this site......it's that simple.

Tell you what, since I had not received anything from Imsick, Intimid8or, Twisted Boost, & Samurai on either site I will continue to use both sites. If however one of them PM's me and asks me to leave I will as it is their site and I respect that. But to this point I have not heard of them having a problem with the few mods that are members of BCR.

 

[bdubs]

How much for a controlling stake?

 

[NorthMNSledder]

Headrush,

I can't imagine why they would not what jump in to discuss this with the great logic and calm head you are displaying.

 

[BigJake]

Tell you what, since I had not received anything from Imsick, Intimid8or, Twisted Boost, & Samurai on either site I will continue to use both sites. If however one of them PM's me and asks me to leave I will as it is their site and I respect that. But to this point I have not heard of them having a problem with the few mods that are members of BCR.

DUHHHHH!!! Of course they won't have a problem with you being a member of BCR......I'm sure they like it that you and other Snowest Moderators are members of that forum. Get a clue!

 

[NorthMNSledder]

DUHHHHH!!! Of course they won't have a problem with you being a member of BCR......I'm sure they like it that you and other Snowest Moderators are members of that forum. Get a clue!

But you personally have a problem with me being a member?

So would that be like Snowest liking the fact that you are a member there and still posting every couple of minutes here?

I'm just trying to get the rules to your game as I did not get the BCR memo that you must have.

 

[SuaveGato]

westcoastsledders.com

X2!!!

 

[BigJake]

But you personally have a problem with me being a member?

So would that be like Snowest liking the fact that you are a member there and still posting every couple of minutes here?

I'm just trying to get the rules to your game as I did not get the BCR memo that you must have.

Are you not reading what I have already posted??? I could care less what you are a member of. The point that I am trying to make is I have a problem with Snowest Moderators becoming members of another site that was created to compete or "get back" at Snowest. So you and other moderators that have joined that site are only playing into their hands because of your disloyalty to Snowest.

This was all started because of this rumor that Snowest will be making some changes.....now everyone is saying to go over to BCR. You and the other Moderators are not showing support to Snowest because of your jumping ship over to BCR. I don't care how you want to view it, THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST! The best thing that you disloyal moderators should do is step down as moderators of Snowest if you want to be members of BCR.

I hope you "got it" this time, I don't know how I can spell it out any simpler for you.

 

[togwotee9]

Careful...You're going to get a little red square in the corner of your post for this and a friendly little love note from Christopher too.

You want to read a couple of my love notes

 

[NorthMNSledder]

The real information post.

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178596