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I am not a Ski Don't guy, but my buddy has a '10 xp 800 163, and it runs really good. Outclimbed my 1000 by a little repeatedly. Now with my '10 M8 163, I can edge him out on the point and shoots. He has been riding a lot longer than me and is a dang good rider, so the sled definately does the talking. Handling wise, the ski doos are an accuired taste. I don't like them, but its all in what you like. He can make his go anywhere he wants, but I will take my m8 over his all day long.