T/A by the looks of those pics the reverse angle isn't workig to good. LOL
Ditto to the 44 BJ
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Ditto to the 44 BJ
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ShockWave adjustible progressive reverse angle HELIX
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yes - seems to cause excessive trenching! ha ha.
Kidding aside T/A - sweet country you got there. Breath taking actually.
As for the dealer installing 30 09 setups on 08s, good for him. he sounds like a good salesmen!
Honestly though - the 09 setup is better than the 08. But it's still not that good. Argue all you want to, but i've seen it with my own eyes!
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Vertical Edge
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OT,we don't have those magic sleds that never get stuck!You guys need to excuse my Dad,he hasn't been on here long enough to know trying to help guys is like talking to a wall............ Just remember,you accuse us of having a trail racing setup because when we have enough snow to test in the meadows you are in front of your computer talking sledding not riding.Then some of you have the latest ,greatest setup for 09 sleds when you're sitting in the midwest with no snow yet.I'm not saying this is the best setup but everything we try is compared to a few good running sleds,if it works then fine,if not we try a little something different.My Dad isn't trying to make any money,just trying to help a few guys out and you can bet our sleds are not the best but we've tried some of the so called great setups posted on here and Doo talk and they sucked.I'd be glad to try any setup,just come and whip up on me and show me it works! Have at it,the ride on the Snowest Short-Bus continues!
Bingo, Bingo, and Bingo. Don't matter what brand...Ski-Doo, Poo, Cat, or Yamaha reverse cut helix is the wrong answer in the steep and deep. You may be able to make it work "ok" but it's not the setup that is going to "rip" in the steep and deep....PERIOD.
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Wyoming T/A
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i made a offer to one of the BIG CLUTCH GURUS that he could send me his set up and if it smokes ours i would pay retail and post it kicked our a$$--i would also not post what components were in it as it was not my idea--DID NOT here from him ??????????????????????????????????????--for all those who have the answer pm me so we can doo this--i would be glad to test it BUT one of the great set ups last year we followed to every item and it SUCKED big time--money WAISTED---no names it just didnt work--our stock everest kicked its A$$
--for all those who have the answer pm me so we can doo this--i would be glad to test it BUT one of the great set ups last year we followed to every item and it SUCKED big time--money WAISTED---no names it just didnt work--our stock everest kicked its A$$
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Angles of new helix
HERE are the angle of adjustment on the new rev cut helix--start at 33/37 degrees and adjustible to 53/57 degrees---1 complete turn equals 3.33 degrees of change--
cant wait for ours to arrive
HERE are the angle of adjustment on the new rev cut helix--start at 33/37 degrees and adjustible to 53/57 degrees---1 complete turn equals 3.33 degrees of change--
cant wait for ours to arriveI've been watching your posts WTA....and I believe ya. I've got a couple more things to try, then I'm going to stuff ALL the stock components back in there, except a blu/pur primary and more weight in the pins....to compensate for the 885....try that again. I'm actuallu leaning towards the idea that it's not so much a problem in the secondary as in the primary. Just about every secondary set-up that I've seen tried ends up running in the 41 to 43 degree sweet spot in the deep. I think the key to getting past that is in the 441 ramp.
EXACTLY. Wyoming/TA do you hillclimb in steep and deep or do you boondock and mostly ride in the meadow or flat areas?
HERE are the angle of adjustment on the new rev cut helix--start at 33/37 degrees and adjustible to 53/57 degrees---1 complete turn equals 3.33 degrees of change--
T/A - i'm glad you are offering parts, and i am sorry that the BIG CLUTCH GURU didn't take you up on your offer. However, i am just curious to here WHY you think a reverse helix works.
Also - the shockwave - i don't get what mean about the start 33/37. Does you mean it can start from 33 to 37 degree? and it can end from 53 to 57? Just trying to figure it out. I think its a way cool idea, but seems like it needs the ability to adjust spring pressure at the same time. Can it do that?
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Wyoming T/A
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we doo both but are not big on climbing shutes --we climb in the horns but its like togwotee--lots of meadows with lots of climbing--we have places that are a 1/2 mile wide and gain 500 feet in elevation and you can make 40 runs side by side without tracking--its just not the straight up like cooke--we do boondock a lot too-not much of our riding is really flat--your on side hills or thru the trees--our 08 with the 09 clutching is dead on 8200 rpms all day in any situation and is 3 to 4 mph more track speed than our 08 with 08 clutching -- i guess you'll have to make a trip to wyo.
and ride our sleds and see if it works for you--it works for us without a doubt--
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Wyoming T/A
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the helix always has the 4 degree of progression but you have infinate adjustment--they take the 43/47 stock and you can adjust it 10 degrees either way--thats where the 33/37 to 53/57 comes from--so if you want it at 41.5/45.5 you can get there--your going to always have the 4 degree split but you can go any where you want--hope you understand this-you cannot adjust spring pressure with this it only moves the ramps almost like the clickers do in the primary--
the helix always has the 4 degree of progression but you have infinate adjustment--they take the 43/47 stock and you can adjust it 10 degrees either way--thats where the 33/37 to 53/57 comes from--so if you want it at 41.5/45.5 you can get there--your going to always have the 4 degree split but you can go any where you want--hope you understand this-you cannot adjust spring pressure with this it only moves the ramps almost like the clickers do in the primary--
Total makes sense. i get. Cool idea. Too bad you cant adjust the spring tension as well. That would be killer!
I still want to here from you why you think reverse angles work in mountains though~! I see you don't do a lot of steep climbing, but still - anything with heavy load i'd think would show the weaknesses of a reverse helix.
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Wyoming T/A
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i dont think it works i know it works !! we have places you can climb for 1000 feet and we have places you cant climb 50 feet--if the snow is 4 feet of powder your not gettin to far---we also make a rule 1 guy on the hill at a time-thats why we dont get many pictures of climbing
its called stayin alive--get on the net and ck the Powell paper from tuesday about a friend who was buried 7 feet down for almost 30 minutes--pretty scareyDaveB your 100% correct the primary needs the help the secondary works great with several helix profiles from 40/44 multi angle to the staright 40,42, & 44 The stock purple,purple,purple works just good if you prefer more backshift a stiffer secondary spring with a heavier finish can help in that deparptment as well.
I've been running Heelclickers Latest & Greatest with there blue 185/360 springs and 2 grams less than recommended and the results are very good in deep conditions. They use a shorter ramps wich allows the centered roller/arm to maintain the sweet spot since the surface area of the ramp is shorter and the arm/roller can't wander around. On your clutch sheave the belt can only shift out so far, so why not design a ramp that maintains the shift in the "sweet spot" for deep snow while maintaining rpm at full shift as well.....So far so good the setup works very well in all deep snow conditions.
PS: In deep powder while at peak rpm the helix has a "sweet spot" as well.
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i made a offer to one of the BIG CLUTCH GURUS that he could send me his set up and if it smokes ours i would pay retail and post it kicked our a$$--i would also not post what components were in it as it was not my idea--DID NOT here from him ??????????????????????????????????????
i seen it happen... stock everest on its maiden voyage stomped the not so ------ --- kit!
man you boys sure are skeptical... come on over to wyoming and take a run at the title... there's only one rule... NO CRYING!
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Steelhead Slayer
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My 09 163 with stock clutching maintains 2- 4 mph higher deep powder track speed (37 mph) than my wife's 08 154 with dj's kit from last year(34mph). This test I did first ride of the year before the 09 had been broke in. Rooster built kit showed up today and they are claiming 6-8 mph more track speed yet.
WTA what are you getting for track speed on the 154's? rode all last weekend getting 48-50mph in 3ft of pretty bottomless pow, holding 8100rpm in clicker 3. i was pretty impressed, my mod rev would rarely pull over 46mph.
Thats totally stock clutching/gearing just cleaned and aligned the clutches.
Thats totally stock clutching/gearing just cleaned and aligned the clutches.
Those two sleds are geared differently unless you have changed them.
I cant throw that cam under the bus either...its just the 441 ramps AND the 47 finnish will NEVER over rev and cant quit make rpm...doo's #1 issue from last year...
2 easy choices...run a 413/412 ramp (415 or 410 for a revvier low end) and a 160/320 spring with stock secondary or run the 441's with a 160/320 and the 600's 41/45 rev cam with stock spring...anything stiffer for the qrs is wrong...
DB- as for your 885...412 ramps, 15-16 grams, 160/290 click 2 or 3...SW at 3 turns and the stock spring..adj pin weight for elevation...BJ
BTW- all SW guys run stock hardware with 1 std flat washer or if running diff. bolts keep them under 25 mm long...
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cant run clicker 3 at 9000 feet and only gettin 44-45 max it bottomless powder and at turn out on the hill--48-50 is tremendous track speed--is that climbing at turn out or climbing gaining speed--THERE is a BIG difference???--
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