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shortstop20
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Fat chance.
Searching for my next sled! What do you expect to see for 2010?
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Fat chance.
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Snappy Sledder
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my guess is a new lighter yammy chassis with more hp
Still haven't seen a four stroke sled last as long as my XLT. 
On the flip side, riding a machine that old isn't exactly something to impress people with either...
Yeah, nows a good time to upgrade.
On the flip side, riding a machine that old isn't exactly something to impress people with either...
Yeah, nows a good time to upgrade.
Doo will bring out the 800 E-tec in a lighter sled with more HP.
If that E-tec runs as good as my 200HO E-tec---They will be unreal!!
Polaris will step up to a bigger engine for the Dragon/Attitude
Yamaha will continue thinking about a lighter chassis--maybe put out some real HP for the weight.
AC--Will just continue refineing what they have.
H20SKE...
If that E-tec runs as good as my 200HO E-tec---They will be unreal!!
Polaris will step up to a bigger engine for the Dragon/Attitude
Yamaha will continue thinking about a lighter chassis--maybe put out some real HP for the weight.
AC--Will just continue refineing what they have.
H20SKE...
Honestly, the only time my Nytro feels heavier than my buddies' 'Doo's are when it's stuck. Riding-wise, my Nytro feels much lighter than either the XP or the '07 Summit X my friends have. It's all about balance, and Yamaha did their homework to balance the Nytro nearly perfect. YZ-like handling, flickability surpassing the Rev or XP chassis. Just needs more track and a better skid.
I agree to a point - The balance on the Nytro is really good. When riding the Nytro it doesn't feel as heavy as it is. To say it feels lighter than an XP I disagree completely. The big problem, IMO, is what you already said - you feel the weight when you get stuck. Last year I had a chance to ride with a group that had them all - yammi 4 stokers, turbos, XP's, Dragons, and M's. When we stayed out in the open or in loose trees I liked them all. When the tree's get real tight and the snow gets soft you better have some friends to help with the Nytro. We all got stuck but it was pretty much always harder to get the Nytro out than the rest.
The turn key reliability and longevity really appeal to me as well. For the most part I have had real good luck with my 2 strokes, I spend quite a bit on dealer maintenance but I don't have the time to mess with a broken down sled. The sled I just got rid of was the first one I really had to put big time and money into. I just bought a new sled this year, (holdover 08) and I stayed with the two strokes because of the type of riding I enjoy. I really like the tight tree's and technical riding. On top of that, I find myself doing solo rides more often than I should, and there have been a few times that it took me close to an hour to get my 2 stroke out of some tight spots. I would have been walking back to the truck on a couple of occasions if I had a 4 stroker. At this point and time I know I won't be able to keep myself from riding in the thick stuff but if I have another money pit like the one I just got rid of.... I will be on a 4 stroke next time.
Based on my unscientific research Yamaha has something really big coming for next year. It will use new technology (I'm guessing variable intakes tracts) and the mountain sled will actually be on a MOUNTAIN chassis for a change.
Yamaha (and the others) saw Skidoo walkaway with 60% of sled sales last year and amazingly a ton of those sleds (even though they were sold east of the Black Hills) were mountain sleds.
It seems more and more sled sales in the east are mountain sleds due to folks saving up their vacation time and coming west a couple times a snowmobile season to ride the deep stuff.
The real clincher for me is the many hours of added training being required of Yamaha technicians for 2010. The specialty shops have been asked to buy a bunch of specialty connectors of a type they have never seen before And....this is huge!
The Yamaha dealer show will be in Jackson Hole this year. That should scream "new mountain sled release" like nothing else, but don't tell anyone! This will be our little secret.
Frosty
PS: The shrinking emissions gates for 2010 will drive dramatic changes for manufacturers. Some companies (like Skidoo and Yamaha) are darn near if not already exceeding (think ETEC) these limits. The other two (especially Arctic Cat) aren't there yet with their current technology and that alone will drive big changes from Cat and Poo.
Yamaha (and the others) saw Skidoo walkaway with 60% of sled sales last year and amazingly a ton of those sleds (even though they were sold east of the Black Hills) were mountain sleds.
It seems more and more sled sales in the east are mountain sleds due to folks saving up their vacation time and coming west a couple times a snowmobile season to ride the deep stuff.
The real clincher for me is the many hours of added training being required of Yamaha technicians for 2010. The specialty shops have been asked to buy a bunch of specialty connectors of a type they have never seen before And....this is huge!
The Yamaha dealer show will be in Jackson Hole this year. That should scream "new mountain sled release" like nothing else, but don't tell anyone! This will be our little secret.
Frosty
PS: The shrinking emissions gates for 2010 will drive dramatic changes for manufacturers. Some companies (like Skidoo and Yamaha) are darn near if not already exceeding (think ETEC) these limits. The other two (especially Arctic Cat) aren't there yet with their current technology and that alone will drive big changes from Cat and Poo.
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Dano702
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The Cat Z1 Turbo caught my eye , i think we will see that power train in the new M chassis . If not i might be building a Mtn sled out of a trail sled next year . For this year i will be on an M8 with a new Twisted Turbo and a whole pile of light weight parts.
My next sled will have a turbo for sure . If i get a new M1000 or a Z1 only time will tell .
My next sled will have a turbo for sure . If i get a new M1000 or a Z1 only time will tell .
Hopefully their stab at the 1000 will work better then their stab at the 900.
I'm not really partial to any brand. Just whatever I want to ride at the time I have money in my pocket. So here's my thoughts for 2010
Arctic Cat. New Mtn chasis (hopefully not like the short trackers) with a little wieght loss and same motors. I feel AC is going in the right direction
Polaris. New chasis ( sorry it won't be like the IQR) with the 6 and 8 being the only choices for mtn sleds. No 1000 2stroke or big 4stroke. Hopefully they work on fit and finish too
Skidoo. No big changes but possibly the 800 e tec. I don't see a mtn thumper from them next year. Hopefully th xp bugs are worked out for this year too
Yamaha. New chasis for the Apex. I don't see it being a lightweight but lighter than they are now with more hp to compete better with other sleds
Just my opinion. Propably all wrong. But I don't care cause it's snowing here and I have a turbo
Arctic Cat. New Mtn chasis (hopefully not like the short trackers) with a little wieght loss and same motors. I feel AC is going in the right direction
Polaris. New chasis ( sorry it won't be like the IQR) with the 6 and 8 being the only choices for mtn sleds. No 1000 2stroke or big 4stroke. Hopefully they work on fit and finish too
Skidoo. No big changes but possibly the 800 e tec. I don't see a mtn thumper from them next year. Hopefully th xp bugs are worked out for this year too
Yamaha. New chasis for the Apex. I don't see it being a lightweight but lighter than they are now with more hp to compete better with other sleds
Just my opinion. Propably all wrong. But I don't care cause it's snowing here and I have a turbo
Yes it is snowing isn't it Sawyer! I wanted to get back to my hunting spot in the mountains before the snow fell but, now I wonder if I can camp up there or ride my sled ot ATV into the area I want to hunt?
I think Arctic and Polaris will more than likely have to go to some sort of direct injection to meet the 2010 emission gates. That may make them a bit on the iffy side for reliability for a season or two while they work out the bugs?
An 800 ETEC would be tough to beat. If I were Skidoo, I offer something larger than an 800 (maybe a 900 or 1000) ETEC to set the new motor apart so it does not merely become a member of the "me too" 800 class.
Arctic Cat will more than likely use their snow pro chassis for the standard M series and perhaps a Snocross chassis for their Snow Pro verison.
Will Polaris ever use their Snow cross sled as a the basis for their mountain sleds?
So much speculation and only three months until we find out what the 2010 sleds looks like.
Frosty
I think Arctic and Polaris will more than likely have to go to some sort of direct injection to meet the 2010 emission gates. That may make them a bit on the iffy side for reliability for a season or two while they work out the bugs?
An 800 ETEC would be tough to beat. If I were Skidoo, I offer something larger than an 800 (maybe a 900 or 1000) ETEC to set the new motor apart so it does not merely become a member of the "me too" 800 class.
Arctic Cat will more than likely use their snow pro chassis for the standard M series and perhaps a Snocross chassis for their Snow Pro verison.
Will Polaris ever use their Snow cross sled as a the basis for their mountain sleds?
So much speculation and only three months until we find out what the 2010 sleds looks like.
Frosty
Yamaha better come up with something!
I can't believe all Yamaha could come up with is the Nytro XTX this year! Wow, that was an engineering accomplishment. I love my Apex, but if I'm going to change, I want to UPGRADE.
They need to produce a sled weighing in less than 550# and producing 175HP. If they don't I will be riding a Dragon or M1000 in 2010.
I can't believe all Yamaha could come up with is the Nytro XTX this year! Wow, that was an engineering accomplishment. I love my Apex, but if I'm going to change, I want to UPGRADE.
They need to produce a sled weighing in less than 550# and producing 175HP. If they don't I will be riding a Dragon or M1000 in 2010.
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shortstop20
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Might as well plan on ordering a Dragon or M1000.
If you guys think Yami is gonna drop over 50 pounds of weight and add 25HP in one year you're nuts. Their Nytro is 130HP and 560 pounds. Logic tells you they're not gonna have a sled with more HP that's lighter.
Here's my bet for Yami, 150-160HP sled with a new chassis, dry weight will be around 580 lbs.
Believe me, the Yamaha R&D guys in the US knew exactly what needed to be done with the Nytro for 2009. They wanted a tapered tunnel, 162" track, new shocks, new front end geometry, etc. but, Yamaha Japan told them they could only have three changes for the entire Nytro line for 2009.
So after doing all the begging they could and still being told NO. They took the XTX, the new front end geometry and new shocks on the mountain skid.
Beleiev me, the R&D guys have what they want built but, when the guys with the purse strings say no, you're hosed! That's why the the tidbit above regarding Skidoo sales being so mountain oriented is so important.
Perhaps Yamaha corporate has finally seen the light regarding mountain sleds and will want a larger piece of the pie and will fund some new inovation?
Ok I admit it, I'm a glass is half full kind of guy!
Frosty
So after doing all the begging they could and still being told NO. They took the XTX, the new front end geometry and new shocks on the mountain skid.
Beleiev me, the R&D guys have what they want built but, when the guys with the purse strings say no, you're hosed! That's why the the tidbit above regarding Skidoo sales being so mountain oriented is so important.
Perhaps Yamaha corporate has finally seen the light regarding mountain sleds and will want a larger piece of the pie and will fund some new inovation?
Ok I admit it, I'm a glass is half full kind of guy!
Frosty
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shortstop20
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I thought the Nytro MTX was the one sled in Yami's lineup for '09 that kept the '08 front end geometry? I know I read it in one of the mags, might have been incorrect info though.
You wouldn't be the first person to call me NUTS!
I know what your saying, but you know they CAN do it. How can you just put a Timbersled front end and skid with maybe a light weight seat and have an Apex at or below 550# and Yamaha can't find 50# to shed from the Apex? I'm no motor guy, but the Genesis motor is bullet proof. They must be able to find an extra 25HP out of it!
We'll see...maybe I will be snow checking something different next year?
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