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Riding the Holy Cross Wilderness?

Vail Pass is lost.
It will be shut down within a few years.

Is there any organized opposition?
Is there and effective opposition to the closures?

This is what I'm talking about. Our club is doing what it can to battle these types of things, but we need more people to be involved. People complain but people don't show up to our club meetings to discuss or even join the club.

They're putting up more signs, but they seem to be in the same places where there shouldn't be sleds anyways.

Did see tracks behind a few of them...

The problem is that the areas where the signs are going in are areas I used to snowmobile growing up. Why now? These are not new wilderness areas. I'm currently trying to find maps to determine if those areas are wilderness. If they are not, then I don't see why the signs are going up unless FS just has people that feel that snowmobiles shouldn't be there (which is not right).
 
After reading through the posts here and speaking to lots of people to encourage them to join a local club... I hear the same thing that was posted on here... the clubs are lame just for trail riders etc. Well maybe if more people would join a local club and be active in the local clubs things could change. Our family belongs to Flattoppers Snowmobile club and I can tell you I am amazed at how many people use the trail to get up to the fun areas but won't even help with a groomer donation much less join the club and these people ore there every weekend. :eek: If you want to have a great club then join one and help make it the club you want by participating. My helmet is of to Holy Cross Powder Hounds for there hard work putting on the snow drags. :D:D:D:D
 
Well, I rode VP for years when I lived up that way, and my recent observation is that the experience has significantly deteriorated due to over-management by the USFS, or whatever Obama-loving "demonstration" group has managed it.

Unfortunately, as a rule - motorized users simply do not organize effectively.
There are exceptions, but more often than not the results are like that of what we now see at Vail Pass. This has built an expectation with the USFS and travel management folks that we can and should be "managed."

The signs that I saw at Vail Pass were not in pristine areas - they were in historically ridden areas, with access roads through them. The signs were arbitrarily put up to restrict use without any clear cause. They were not in ski routes (i.e. access to back of Vail Mtn)

Yes - join a club, join CSA, Blue Ribbon or SAWS! But the cold reality is that that motorized users's money usually goes to the after market parts shops first, fancy clothes, stickers and accessories second, maybe a beacon if the guilting works, and to any organized effort to manage the public lands last. Personally, I am involved - I work with our local snowmobile club and maintain open communication with our USFS office staff in our area. We've seen encroachments on riding areas from the USFS, our County and private landowners alike.

I'd love to see a turn around at VP, but over the years, I've seen it travel the slippery slope downhill. I-70 has more motorized population and users than the rest of the state - if you can't get people to participate there something is wrong. If it was working - we'd see new terrain and snow-roads being opened not closed. (again - Silverthorne's SCORR OHV group is an example of a positive exception)

Then again, when our state voters elect officials who are hell bent on closing lands - what do you expect? Salazar, Schwartz, Udall, Ritter - all Democrats hell-bent on "preserving" things that are currently in use.

I sure miss rep Scott McGinnis!

MtnDoo
 
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As a side note, has anyone noticed that the Forest Service is putting up more and more "no snowmobiling" signs up on Vail Pass?
Is is the Forest Service or the green groups? It has been a while since I spoke with the Forest Service but at one point a few years ago one of them told me that there were illegal no snowmobiling signs that had gone up. A group of skiers had put them up hoping to keep snowmobiles out of an area they wanted to claim. There was no official closure.
 
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