Nope, that was just me.
BTW... these areas are not being closed down by our President, they are being closed down by local groups.
Riding the Holy Cross Wilderness?
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Nope, that was just me.
BTW... these areas are not being closed down by our President, they are being closed down by local groups.
J-Fly,
Don't get me wrong - I have no problem with "hybrids" - sled/skiers... I just don't believe there is any lack of skiing terrain in the state necessitating shutting down motorized access.
<<I actually snowmobile in the areas that are closed to snowmobiles too.>>
Maybe I'm mis-understanding you here - but you violate the rules on purpose? If so, that may explain the sign-orgy on vail pass. If you meant something else - no worries.
<<And i actually think Obama is a fraud.>>
Now, you're all good with me! Ahmen!
<<I dont vote.>>
Your choice, but please consider it - we need to oppose these fools!
<<And this summer im buying a split board with skins so i can access more terrain.>>
You'll never look back - there's more terrain beyond VP than you'd ever imagine.
Have fun out there!
MD.
Don't get me wrong - I have no problem with "hybrids" - sled/skiers... I just don't believe there is any lack of skiing terrain in the state necessitating shutting down motorized access.
<<I actually snowmobile in the areas that are closed to snowmobiles too.>>
Maybe I'm mis-understanding you here - but you violate the rules on purpose? If so, that may explain the sign-orgy on vail pass. If you meant something else - no worries.
<<And i actually think Obama is a fraud.>>
Now, you're all good with me! Ahmen!
<<I dont vote.>>
Your choice, but please consider it - we need to oppose these fools!
<<And this summer im buying a split board with skins so i can access more terrain.>>
You'll never look back - there's more terrain beyond VP than you'd ever imagine.
Have fun out there!
MD.
Milehighassassign -
Dude, can you remind us which PRESIDENT's signature would have been affixed to the Omnibus bill therefore making it law? (had it passed the House & Senate)
Who appointed Ken Salazar - our radical NIMMBY senator to Interior Secretary post? Hmm...was it...O.B.A.M.A ??? Knowing he would shut down oil & gas production in Utah and rescind Federal leases? Hmm.....
All elections have consequences! [with regard to land management]
MD.
Dude, can you remind us which PRESIDENT's signature would have been affixed to the Omnibus bill therefore making it law? (had it passed the House & Senate)
Who appointed Ken Salazar - our radical NIMMBY senator to Interior Secretary post? Hmm...was it...O.B.A.M.A ??? Knowing he would shut down oil & gas production in Utah and rescind Federal leases? Hmm.....
All elections have consequences! [with regard to land management]
MD.
Whooaaa...let's set this one straight right away. My brother is in college, so he thinks that liberals are going to save the world. Personally, I'm a tad more conservative.
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Ollie
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ok, let the slamming begin.
We play by the rules, we work with the enviro's, we do the give and take thing.
We stay off their areas.
What has that got us?
Do they let us be?
Have they stopped demanding more and more land be shut down?
Ride the wilderness areas, ride the chit outta em.
Ride them so often the FS can't enforce the laws.
Ride them so often the FS is left with 2 options.
Military intervention or manage the area and allow sleds in.
Take a page out of the enviros book.
How do you think they got so much?
They MADE people take notice and deal with them.
Now it's time to reign them in and demand our rights.
Ride the wilderness.
We play by the rules, we work with the enviro's, we do the give and take thing.
We stay off their areas.
What has that got us?
Do they let us be?
Have they stopped demanding more and more land be shut down?
Ride the wilderness areas, ride the chit outta em.
Ride them so often the FS can't enforce the laws.
Ride them so often the FS is left with 2 options.
Military intervention or manage the area and allow sleds in.
Take a page out of the enviros book.
How do you think they got so much?
They MADE people take notice and deal with them.
Now it's time to reign them in and demand our rights.
Ride the wilderness.
Ollie- I hear your frustration, but disagree with your proposition.
Maybe we should begin hunting in the urban areas too.
The one thing I notice about the enviros, is that they are very well organized. We are NOT.
You can't barely get sledders to participate in a snowmobile club, or register their sleds, let alone attend public sessions on land use. Land-use is simply not a religion to snowmobilers the way it is to enviros.
We simply don't use the strength that we have in our numbers.
Example - how much terrain have you seem OPENED up to motorized use? It's rare, and the exception for sure.
So, go ahead remain-unorganized, under-represented, don't participate and then break the rules -brilliant!
Watch the land battle be lost more swiftly.
Plus - we vote for the other side apparently - in local and national elections and somehow don't think that has consequences - not the smartest, well put together user community in today's form.
It's no surprise we're loosing the battle - it's actually amazing we haven't lost it completely already.
Lots of work will be needed or we'll loose more land.
MD.
BTW - when I hear the CSA president proposing noise regulations to impose on our own community over a personal spat - blood boils.
Maybe we should begin hunting in the urban areas too.
The one thing I notice about the enviros, is that they are very well organized. We are NOT.
You can't barely get sledders to participate in a snowmobile club, or register their sleds, let alone attend public sessions on land use. Land-use is simply not a religion to snowmobilers the way it is to enviros.
We simply don't use the strength that we have in our numbers.
Example - how much terrain have you seem OPENED up to motorized use? It's rare, and the exception for sure.
So, go ahead remain-unorganized, under-represented, don't participate and then break the rules -brilliant!
Watch the land battle be lost more swiftly.
Plus - we vote for the other side apparently - in local and national elections and somehow don't think that has consequences - not the smartest, well put together user community in today's form.
It's no surprise we're loosing the battle - it's actually amazing we haven't lost it completely already.
Lots of work will be needed or we'll loose more land.
MD.
BTW - when I hear the CSA president proposing noise regulations to impose on our own community over a personal spat - blood boils.
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Ollie
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I completely agree on the organization.
We need it and don't have it.
Most sledders don't care about anything till it's there riding area, then they want everyone to ride to their aid while they have been ignoring everyone else.
I write letters on a regular basis, I belong to 5 different orgs and I give at least 300 year to BRC above and beyond the basic membership.
People will put 2 grand into useless bling on their sleds but won't pay 30 bucks to fight for our rights.
I just don't think it does anygood to hammer on guys riding in wilderness areas anymore. Won't be much longer and wilderness will be the only thing we have.
We need it and don't have it.
Most sledders don't care about anything till it's there riding area, then they want everyone to ride to their aid while they have been ignoring everyone else.
I write letters on a regular basis, I belong to 5 different orgs and I give at least 300 year to BRC above and beyond the basic membership.
People will put 2 grand into useless bling on their sleds but won't pay 30 bucks to fight for our rights.
I just don't think it does anygood to hammer on guys riding in wilderness areas anymore. Won't be much longer and wilderness will be the only thing we have.
I don't think Liberals will save the world, I do think there is more to this world than snowmobiling. I wish that was all we had to worry about, but the reality is not that way.
I am really a conservative as well, but the Republican party is anything but conservative. Maybe if they went back to their REAL roots more people would be happy.
More can be done to prevent closures, joining your local club, registering your sled, staying active, grass roots, etc. Write your congressman/senator!! They might not agree with you but at least they will know that there are people with apposing views. It has been pointed out how few people register their sleds, and how many less people join a snowmobile club, I wonder how many people take the time out of their day to write their representatives??
Also just because you vote for a candidate doesn't mean you agree with EVERYTHING he/she does. If that were the case I wouldn't be able to vote for anyone but myself.
Give me a freakin break! I know a ton of conservatives who are none too pleased with the Republican party. None of them voted for, let alone cheer leaded for the Democratic candidate. You can rationalize your positions anyway you like just as most liberals do, but the fact is you support a party and president who is the antithesis of what most snowmobilers and conservatives represent. It's always some shade of gray with liberals, there is no black and white. You are a perfect example!
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Zachcreek
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Ollie- I hear your frustration, but disagree with your proposition.
Maybe we should begin hunting in the urban areas too.
The one thing I notice about the enviros, is that they are very well organized. We are NOT.
You can't barely get sledders to participate in a snowmobile club, or register their sleds, let alone attend public sessions on land use. Land-use is simply not a religion to snowmobilers the way it is to enviros.
We simply don't use the strength that we have in our numbers.
Example - how much terrain have you seem OPENED up to motorized use? It's rare, and the exception for sure.
So, go ahead remain-unorganized, under-represented, don't participate and then break the rules -brilliant!
Watch the land battle be lost more swiftly.
Plus - we vote for the other side apparently - in local and national elections and somehow don't think that has consequences - not the smartest, well put together user community in today's form.
It's no surprise we're loosing the battle - it's actually amazing we haven't lost it completely already.
Lots of work will be needed or we'll loose more land.
MD.
BTW - when I hear the CSA president proposing noise regulations to impose on our own community over a personal spat - blood boils.
Have to agree on the organization situation. But really, in the regular meetings, how many of those people are the Boondocking type. Those are the areas that are being shut down. At our meetings, the core group are trail riders. They consider those that go for the deep powder to be "Hot Doggers". (This term was actually used by more than one member.)
In the areas that Doo has shown me in CB, are the type of areas that are under fire. The simple trail systems that utilize existing roads are not on the radar in most cases.
I know what Ollie is saying, mass demonstration. But how many are willing to sacrifice their wallet and sled when the masses will not join together. A few riding in the wilderness will just make things worse. It will give even more negative publicity and fuel to their fire.
The ones that want our lands shut down to us are passionate about saving the earth, the mouse under the snow and having it quiet in the Mtns. Many of us are, but the majority don't have the time, knowledge of the situation or willingness to do anything about it. In Colorado, how may sledders to Greenies are there? 10,000:1, more? So who do you think the politicians are going to cater to??????
I am leaving on Monday to do some rafting on snowmobile tracks.
Zach - we're melting the tracks for ya every day, and sending them downriver. Have a good trip down there!
MD.
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Ollie
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I don't really have anything to do with the local club. I joined at the state level.
The local club meetings I attended usually end with 2 or 3 people argueing about some dumb point that is completely irrelevant.
As for mass demonstrations, won't work.
The idea is to not get caught. Leave tracks every freekin where but don't get caught. Show them they can't catch us, show them that if they won't give us our rights, we will take them.
You are wrong. I just bought a new snowmobile.
LOL.. You want me to teach you how to ride that?
Hang in there everyone. When NY, DC and LA are in flames and civilization is crumbling, there won't be much interest where any of us are riding. Just make sure you got fuel stashed.
I know what you are saying, but I along with all the officers in our club are not the old men trail riders on the old two-up vector. We ride as hard if not harder than most of our club members.
Ollie and all the others on this post...I feel what you are saying about riding in areas that are being taken away from us. But why not try to contribute to the cause in the mean time? Join our club! We have several Denver members. We need more people more than we need the money. We need numbers to tip the scales. It makes a difference when we are battling the Forest Service over access, grooming rights (yes this has been a big battle), issues with tour companies (another up at Piney!) and other stuff. We need to have 250 people in our club instead of the 58 that we have. Check out our website, we are trying to make this thing much cooler than a bunch of old men riding around talking about their grandchildren.
As a side note, has anyone noticed that the Forest Service is putting up more and more "no snowmobiling" signs up on Vail Pass?
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They're putting up more signs, but they seem to be in the same places where there shouldn't be sleds anyways.
Did see tracks behind a few of them...
Vail Pass is lost.
It will be shut down within a few years.
Is there any organized opposition?
Is there and effective opposition to the closures?
NO.
It will be shut down within a few years.
Is there any organized opposition?
Is there and effective opposition to the closures?
NO.
